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Look they're both terrible and you're certainly allowed to feel how you want but you do know that Deshaun Watson was actually criminally charged (of choking in beating his pregnant girlfriend)? I'd find it hard to find one as being much worse than the other.

[And to be fair I'm honest enough to say that if the Pats added both I'd probably still root for then even if I didn't love it so not judging you on rooting for your team.]
Oh, I don’t want to make it seem like I’m trying to justify one being “better” than the other. I just think it’s the sheer amount of accusers vs Watson and the thought of punting on Tua had me feeling far stronger than sending some draft picks and money for Hill.

Neither is good. Both dudes might be total scumbags.
 

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Oh, I don’t want to make it seem like I’m trying to justify one being “better” than the other. I just think it’s the sheer amount of accusers vs Watson and the thought of punting on Tua had me feeling far stronger than sending some draft picks and money for Hill.

Neither is good. Both dudes might be total scumbags.
It’s easier to be outraged on behalf of a group of women who are seeking justice than it is to be outraged on behalf of a woman who wishes you would forget the whole thing ever happened. I’m not sure it holds up to logical scrutiny, but I too would feel differently about my team pursuing Hill than Watson.
 

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From a pure football standpoint, maybe it’s best for me to view things in the simplest of terms…

A week ago, I was expecting the Dolphins o/u to come in around 7 and I was beginning to adjust my expectations in that range. Now after the last couple days I feel like the ran few of outcomes has a higher upside and skews more toward the positive. The team is better than it was yesterday…and that’s a good thing.
 

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Now that Miami is without a 1st or 2nd rounder this year, I would expect them to try and finish off the line rebuild with a center. J.C. Tretter is a perfect fit, but I would also settle for Matt Paradis. Add the veteran “QB” of the line and give Tua that experienced anchor to make the calls on protections.

You go into the season with Armstead-Williams-Tretter/Paradis-Hunt-Eichenberg/Jackson and I think you’re in good shape.

I’m willing to be let Jackson or Eichenberg win a spot at RT with the assumption that the improvements in coaching, scheme, and surrounding talent will allow them to play passably.
 

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This seems pretty on point with what I thought they’d be trying to do.

You can mask a bad tackle, if Austin Jackson struggles. You can chip with a back, keep a TE in, slide protection. You can’t mask two bad tackles, a bad guard, and a bad center, which is where Miami found themselves the last two years.

That’s why the Armstead signing might be flying a little under the radar. You have one edge locked down. You know he’s got his guy. If Jackson needs help, it’s a lot easier to help him if the guy on the other side is one of the best in the business.

Jackson still needs a lot of work in pass protection, but I think his physical toolbox aligns really well in a wide zone scheme and he may turn himself into a salvageable commodity.
 

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I mean, this would be what going all in on your QB looks like. If Tua can’t succeed, then Miami moves on from him, and they still have a pretty solid infrastructure in place to drop another QB into.

I’m assuming that Miami is looking to trade this year’s 1 and a 2 and they want to keep the 2 first rounders they have next year for this exact reason.

If Tua isn’t it, you still have the ammo to make a
move and get another guy.
I mean, yes and no.

The third option is what I've mentioned to you for a while now. Surround him with an all-star cast, and he can keep you competitive but not be good enough to get you over the hump. It happens all the time, and the script plays out fairly similarly every time.

Too good of a record to dump, not a high enough draft picks to draft the future, stuck signing him for top 12 money because they don't have any other options and are just competitive enough they can't blow it up, too much cap tied to an average QB and it sinks the rest of the roster...

It's the story of plenty of decent teams. And, due to the talent level it takes for QBs to get to the NFL and start, the chance of him flaming out with this talent is pretty low. I'd bet there's a much higher chance of him being just good enough this season to keep his job than it is for him to light up the league in success or himself in failure.
 

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I mean, yes and no.

The third option is what I've mentioned to you for a while now. Surround him with an all-star cast, and he can keep you competitive but not be good enough to get you over the hump. It happens all the time, and the script plays out fairly similarly every time.

Too good of a record to dump, not a high enough draft picks to draft the future, stuck signing him for top 12 money because they don't have any other options and are just competitive enough they can't blow it up, too much cap tied to an average QB and it sinks the rest of the roster...

It's the story of plenty of decent teams. And, due to the talent level it takes for QBs to get to the NFL and start, the chance of him flaming out with this talent is pretty low. I'd bet there's a much higher chance of him being just good enough this season to keep his job than it is for him to light up the league in success or himself in failure.
We call this “The Tannehill.”
 

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I mean, yes and no.

The third option is what I've mentioned to you for a while now. Surround him with an all-star cast, and he can keep you competitive but not be good enough to get you over the hump. It happens all the time, and the script plays out fairly similarly every time.

Too good of a record to dump, not a high enough draft picks to draft the future, stuck signing him for top 12 money because they don't have any other options and are just competitive enough they can't blow it up, too much cap tied to an average QB and it sinks the rest of the roster...

It's the story of plenty of decent teams. And, due to the talent level it takes for QBs to get to the NFL and start, the chance of him flaming out with this talent is pretty low. I'd bet there's a much higher chance of him being just good enough this season to keep his job than it is for him to light up the league in success or himself in failure.
The two most recent teams to win the Super Bowl were in this position but were able to jettison their middling QBs and get a better one. So I think there are paths forward from here, and maybe it's a better route than tanking for a star.
 

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The two most recent teams to win the Super Bowl were in this position but were able to jettison their middling QBs and get a better one. So I think there are paths forward from here, and maybe it's a better route than tanking for a star.
True, but I'd say these are the exceptions that prove the rule. Stafford and Brady the last two seasons. Manning in 2016. Then who?

Trent Dilfer in 2000? Brad Johnson in 2001? Johnson was with the team for a year before winning, the league was different when defenses could still carry offenses, and obviously neither of those guys are players to hang your hat on.

Free Agency has been around for about 30 years. Three of those years saw a QB change teams and lead the way for a SB win. And, let's be real, the Brady thing is incredibly rare. A QB of his skill level is usually looking to cash in and is usually much younger. A Brady/Lebron free agent move is basically non-existent.

The Rams needed about 35% of their cap to make the moves they did ($15m cap space prior to free Agency, 17% of cap tied to Goff, and then salary restructured). The Dolphins already have less than $12m cap next season (5ish percent), so even if they were to use this upcoming season to gauge Tua, theyd have to do some SERIOUS wiggling to sign/trade for someone else.

That leaves 2 years out, and...well, why bother trying to project that far out.

I don't see this as a way for the team to gauge Tua. Other than a few players (Parker...maybe Edmonds if they really need the space), they're actually better off spending more this season than next. I think they're pushing their chips all in, and crossing their fingers that Tua is the guy. They got a high draft pick QB, have him on a rookie contract, have a good defense, and see this as their window. If Tua flops, I don't see any viable option for them to land a QB next season, ala the Rams.

This is their window. Tua or bust.
 

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True, but I'd say these are the exceptions that prove the rule. Stafford and Brady the last two seasons. Manning in 2016. Then who?
In what way do they prove the rule? Do you mean they are just exceptions to the rule?

Trent Dilfer in 2000? Brad Johnson in 2001? Johnson was with the team for a year before winning, the league was different when defenses could still carry offenses, and obviously neither of those guys are players to hang your hat on.

Free Agency has been around for about 30 years. Three of those years saw a QB change teams and lead the way for a SB win. And, let's be real, the Brady thing is incredibly rare. A QB of his skill level is usually looking to cash in and is usually much younger. A Brady/Lebron free agent move is basically non-existent.
This is totally fair, and it's probably too soon to tell whether what we've seen the last couple years is an aberration or a change in how things work. But this offseason suggests to me we're in a new era of QB movement. Watson, Wilson, and Ryan are all almost unprecedented trades, particularly in the same offseason. Good teams are more willing to make bad moves, bad teams are more willing to push the reset button, and everybody seems more willing to eat dead money.

The Rams needed about 35% of their cap to make the moves they did ($15m cap space prior to free Agency, 17% of cap tied to Goff, and then salary restructured). The Dolphins already have less than $12m cap next season (5ish percent), so even if they were to use this upcoming season to gauge Tua, theyd have to do some SERIOUS wiggling to sign/trade for someone else.

That leaves 2 years out, and...well, why bother trying to project that far out.

I don't see this as a way for the team to gauge Tua. Other than a few players (Parker...maybe Edmonds if they really need the space), they're actually better off spending more this season than next. I think they're pushing their chips all in, and crossing their fingers that Tua is the guy. They got a high draft pick QB, have him on a rookie contract, have a good defense, and see this as their window. If Tua flops, I don't see any viable option for them to land a QB next season, ala the Rams.

This is their window. Tua or bust.
It depends. They have ways to clear cap space. If they reach a point where they're, say, 9-8 but it's clear Tua is holding them back from going further, they're probably going to be a really appealing destination for FA / disgrunted vet QBs. It will take some cap finagling to fit a QB under, but it's doable.

That said, I don't know if I'm a believer in this Dolphins team. We'll see.
 

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In what way do they prove the rule? Do you mean they are just exceptions to the rule?


This is totally fair, and it's probably too soon to tell whether what we've seen the last couple years is an aberration or a change in how things work. But this offseason suggests to me we're in a new era of QB movement. Watson, Wilson, and Ryan are all almost unprecedented trades, particularly in the same offseason. Good teams are more willing to make bad moves, bad teams are more willing to push the reset button, and everybody seems more willing to eat dead money.


It depends. They have ways to clear cap space. If they reach a point where they're, say, 9-8 but it's clear Tua is holding them back from going further, they're probably going to be a really appealing destination for FA / disgrunted vet QBs. It will take some cap finagling to fit a QB under, but it's doable.

That said, I don't know if I'm a believer in this Dolphins team. We'll see.
I mean they won 10 games in Tua’s rookie year and 9 games in 2021. Not sure why everyone talks about Miami like they’re a 5 win team still.

The offense, by almost any account, is significantly improved this offseason and the defense is almost completely unchanged from last year.

If you believe that Flores was the secret sauce to the defense and they’re going to take a step back this year, then that gap can be closed by Mike McDaniel and the offense picking up the slack this season.
 

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Howard has played back to back seasons with 16 games. There was a time when his health was a huge question mark, but he seems to have found whatever works for him after having a procedure done on his knee.
Well, well, well. Who could have seen this coming a year ago?

My assumption on how this plays out is - Dolphins don't adjust too much on the contract this season. If he plays well this season and doesn't have a serious injury, they alter his contract for the final three years and give him a good chunk of guaranteed money.

Howard is going to play. Worst case he sits out 8 games, but I'd be shocked if he even did that. He's getting paid big time dollars, and hes not going to walk away from that. That puts the ball squarely in the Dolphins court. If they give him guaranteed cash now for the next three years, they're at risk of bigtime money being tied up with an injured player or player in decline.

If he plays well and walks out relatively unscathed at the end of this season, then there's almost no reason NOT to give him guaranteed money. Barring a career ending injury, they'll be bringing him back for all three of those years. Tear his ACL/Achilles/etc in the 2022 season? they're still going to bring him back for 2023. And even if he plays poorly in 2023, they'll STILL bring him back in the 2024 season with the hope that he played poorly because it was his first year back from a major injury.

So, thats how I expect this to go. Howard bitches this year - rightfully - but plays out the year. If he plays well, the Dolphins restructure his contract and give him a good size bonus, more guaranteed money, and potentially a raise to boot. Howard happily signs and suddenly has complete faith in the Dolphins organization again.
 

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Well, well, well. Who could have seen this coming a year ago?
Nailed it. Basically on a three year, fully guaranteed deal, with two option years at the end. I think Howard playing back to back years nearly completely healthy and at a high level makes this a much easier decision for Grier.

Miami clearly loading up in the Tua window. A lot of these deals new deals align with the timing of his rookie deal.
 

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I took a bit of a break from posting to reflect on whether or not I wanted to continue contributing here. I just wanted to share some thoughts about my place here and the past and moving forward.

When I first joined SoSH, I thought that this was one of the most unique places on the internet. People were discussing the Red Sox, baseball, and sports in general at a level I hadn’t seen anywhere else. I wanted to be a part of that, even if I couldn’t contribute directly to high level statistical conversation, I wanted to learn and be a better sports fan.

These yearly threads are the tiny corner of SoSH that myself and the other guys that post here regularly have carved out for ourselves on this board.

I’m sure many have asked, or questioned, “why don’t you just post on a Dolphins message board?” The simple answer is because they suck compared to this place. The longer answer is because I am a Sox fan, a life long New England resident, and I do still read the main board posts regularly, even though I don’t contribute there nearly as much as I do here.

The Parker thread was a bit of an inflection point for me. I didn’t feel that I was out of line posting in there, as it was directly related to Miami, nor did I feel like I really said anything out of line, just some division rival banter. That’s when I started to realize that people either really don’t like me, or really don’t like me straying from my designated thread.

My intention never was to develop a reputation as a troll. Or ‘The Troll ™.’ My actions in the past are what they are. I’m not looking to rewrite history, or pretend that I haven’t been out of line at times, or looking for sympathy or trying to play the victim.

Moving forward, I’ll be staying out of the game threads. I was always under the impression that it’s a neutral ground for both sides to comment on the game in real-time, however I’d rather post in here in order to maintain the peace.

I’ve chosen to stay here because I still think this is a special place. I joined SoSH as a literal teenager and I’m now a husband and a father. I’ve grown tremendously in my real life outside of this place, and this is my attempt at growth within this place.
 

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I too am a New Englander and Red Sox fan who is, for kind of random reasons, a Dolphins fan and not a Pats fan. I've always really appreciated the news and insights that you and other posters provide in this thread, so I would really regret your stepping away. Keep up the good work!
 

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I second that, and I say that as a Pats fan who despises the Dolphins. As a Sixers fan, I sympathize with your situation. I mostly stay out of the basketball forum, and rarely post there because there are a number of people in it who are interested in no other opinions on my team than Joel Embiid is a whiny, flopping bitch, and Doc and Harden are perennial losers.
 

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I took a bit of a break from posting to reflect on whether or not I wanted to continue contributing here. I just wanted to share some thoughts about my place here and the past and moving forward.

When I first joined SoSH, I thought that this was one of the most unique places on the internet. People were discussing the Red Sox, baseball, and sports in general at a level I hadn’t seen anywhere else. I wanted to be a part of that, even if I couldn’t contribute directly to high level statistical conversation, I wanted to learn and be a better sports fan.

These yearly threads are the tiny corner of SoSH that myself and the other guys that post here regularly have carved out for ourselves on this board.

I’m sure many have asked, or questioned, “why don’t you just post on a Dolphins message board?” The simple answer is because they suck compared to this place. The longer answer is because I am a Sox fan, a life long New England resident, and I do still read the main board posts regularly, even though I don’t contribute there nearly as much as I do here.

The Parker thread was a bit of an inflection point for me. I didn’t feel that I was out of line posting in there, as it was directly related to Miami, nor did I feel like I really said anything out of line, just some division rival banter. That’s when I started to realize that people either really don’t like me, or really don’t like me straying from my designated thread.

My intention never was to develop a reputation as a troll. Or ‘The Troll ™.’ My actions in the past are what they are. I’m not looking to rewrite history, or pretend that I haven’t been out of line at times, or looking for sympathy or trying to play the victim.

Moving forward, I’ll be staying out of the game threads. I was always under the impression that it’s a neutral ground for both sides to comment on the game in real-time, however I’d rather post in here in order to maintain the peace.

I’ve chosen to stay here because I still think this is a special place. I joined SoSH as a literal teenager and I’m now a husband and a father. I’ve grown tremendously in my real life outside of this place, and this is my attempt at growth within this place.
Nice to see you again. This thread is a very positive addition to this site and it is just as welcome as other team threads and Pats threads alike.

I second that, and I say that as a Pats fan who despises the Dolphins. As a Sixers fan, I sympathize with your situation. I mostly stay out of the basketball forum, and rarely post there because there are a number of people in it who are interested in no other opinions on my team than Joel Embiid is a whiny, flopping bitch, and Doc and Harden are perennial losers.
You are also welcome in the basketball forums. What is not welcome in any part of this board is the bolded. Please find and utilize a better descriptor and edit this out. Thanks.
 

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Sodenj5- I really appreciate your work in this thread. I'm another Sox (and Celtics and Bruins) fan who for some reason has always rooted for the Dolphins. Nice to know that I'm not alone :)
 

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I think you’re a troll but who gives a shit? It’s a fuckin football message board. Life’s too short to get riled up about it.

Now, piss on your dolphins. :)
 

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Keep on posting. You’re passionate about your fandom and your voice is appreciated. You’re the heartbeat of this corner of BBTL and bring some great balance to maniacal Pats fans (myself included). Participating in other forums and threads isn’t always easy, for a variety of reasons. Receiving blowback comes with the territory. It’s just the internet… water off a duck’s back.
 

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Appreciate the replies. Back to business.

Miami’s draft starts today. With no RBs selected in the first round, that’s going to help push someone like James Cook down towards Miami.

Would love to see Miami come away with one of the following:

Leo Chenal-ILB, Wisconsin
James Cook-RB, Georgia
Luke Fortner-OC/OG, Kentucky

Miami needs an ILB that can allow Jerome Baker to play more OLB. Chenal is an absolute thumper of an ILB and could pair with Roberts in base sets to form a ferocious set of linebackers against the run.

Raheem Moestert is a nice temporary solution at RB, but he’s over 30 and has a track record of injuries. Cook would fit very nicely in the offense and has a similar running style to his brother Dalvin. I think they almost certainly draft a RB at some point.

Miami still needs to be collecting good linemen, and Fortner would likely be a day one starter for them at one of the interior spots. I would assume at center, but I imagine they’re going to try and let the 5 best lineman shake out in some fashion.

Fortner stayed at Kentucky last year and finished his Master’s in Mechanical Engineering. Everything I’ve heard and read about the center position specifically in the Shanahan system says they value mental aptitude and processing at that spot very highly.
 
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Seeing that Walker wouldn’t even have been around for their second round pick makes me feel even better about the Hill trade now.

I’m pretty shocked that we’re on pick #49, as I type, this and neither Willis or Ridder have been drafted.
i get why they weren’t seen as 1st round picks, but we’re getting to the point where their raw potential is the best value on the board. I know there’s virtually no chance of this happening due to the shitshow it would cause, and it wouldn’t make much sense developmentally, but if this goes on a bit longer, I wouldn’t blame Miami if they moved up and took one…and I’m not even someone that’s given up on Tua.
 

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Seeing that Walker wouldn’t even have been around for their second round pick makes me feel even better about the Hill trade now.

I’m pretty shocked that we’re on pick #49, as I type, this and neither Willis or Ridder have been drafted.
i get why they weren’t seen as 1st round picks, but we’re getting to the point where their raw potential is the best value on the board. I know there’s virtually no chance of this happening due to the shitshow it would cause, and it wouldn’t make much sense developmentally, but if this goes on a bit longer, I wouldn’t blame Miami if they moved up and took one…and I’m not even someone that’s given up on Tua.
If you look at how the board broke in both rounds, I would certainly rather have Tyreek Hill over what we saw on the board. I’ll take a wild guess and say Nakobe Dean and Nik Bonnito.

Hindsight is obviously 20/20, but I think Grier read the value of those picks in a worse than average draft class and decided to cash in those assets for Hill while gaining additional assets for the 2023 draft by trading Parker.
 

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Miami selected Channing Tindall with their third round selection.

This is filling a need with both a talented player and one who is a compliment to who you already have at the position. Tindall is an absolute speed merchant at ILB. A bit undersized and probably overshadowed by all of the other talent surrounding him. He gives Miami the speed at ILB that they lack with Roberts and will allow Baker to play OLB where he’s clearly better.

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Looking at who is left, RB Isaiah Spiller is a name that jumps out at me. Think his slow 40 time has caused him to tumble. Also RB Zamir White. I’m fine if Miami leaves the draft without a RB, but I thought both guys would go in rounds 2-3. Alec Lindstrom might be someone to watch as well. Center out of BC that played for Miami’s new O Line coach.

Really, they’re in a spot to take awhoever they think is the BPA.
 

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Looking at who is left, RB Isaiah Spiller is a name that jumps out at me. Think his slow 40 time has caused him to tumble. Also RB Zamir White. I’m fine if Miami leaves the draft without a RB, but I thought both guys would go in rounds 2-3. Alec Lindstrom might be someone to watch as well. Center out of BC that played for Miami’s new O Line coach.

Really, they’re in a spot to take whomever they think is the BPA.
Headed into the draft, many thought that LB, OL, and RB were "soft needs" for Miami. I agreed, but like you, also believed that BPA was certainly feasible.

I like Tisdale a lot. The Dolphins needed a LB, and I'll never complain about getting faster on defense. This dude's measurables are off the charts, and they seem to be present alongside strong instincts. He's a missile.

I'm also rooting for the selection of an RB on this last day. Chase and Mostert, while talented, have missed games. Slotting a more talented youngster behind them would be fantastic considering just how important the running game will be for this offense going forward.
 

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Just decided to delete my post(s) on the Ezukanma pick. I’ve found such a wildly differing range of information/opinion on him, everything I typed no longer seemed relevant or worthy of discussion.
 
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In what is becoming an annual draft tradition, Miami was picks away from having a RB drop to them and both White and Spiller go back to back two spots in front of Miami.

I’m indifferent on Enzukanma. The only other receiver with good size on the roster is Preston Williams, and his reliability is spotty at best. I look at this as a Mack Hollins replacement more than anything.
 

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Don’t see much in White, McKinley seems like a maybe, but Diesch is very intriguing.
FWIW - PFF has very good grades on him, with Zone blocking being the highest.
Looks like strength is an issue, but if he’s going to succeed it’s going to be within a zone blocking scheme, so seems like a great lotto ticket.
 

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Don’t see much in White, McKinley seems like a maybe, but Diesch is very intriguing.
FWIW - PFF has very good grades on him, with Zone blocking being the highest.
Looks like strength is an issue, but if he’s going to succeed it’s going to be within a zone blocking scheme, so seems like a great lotto ticket.
What’s intriguing about white is he went to Florida State and played LB, then transferred to South Carolina and played RB. If you watch some of his clips, he absolutely finishes some runs like a LB.

I’m not gonna hype myself into thinking he’s more than a flier, but he’s very much an unfinished product at RB.
 

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It’s impossible to grade this draft without incorporating Tyreek Hill into the equation. If we’re just looking at the draft class coming in, I’d say it’s a C+. Not in love with anyone in particular. Tindall is a nice intersection of talent and need and I’ve seen Deebo comparisons to Enzukanma, which I think we’ll probably hear Deebo comparisons to every WR Mike McDaniel helps draft until the end of time.

I think if you roll in the UDFAs and Tyreek Hill and the fact that they left the 2023 draft picks completely untouched, this “class” becomes a B+ pretty easily. I would much rather have Tyreek Hill than what shook out for Miami’s picks in the first and second rounds.
 

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What’s intriguing about white is he went to Florida State and played LB, then transferred to South Carolina and played RB. If you watch some of his clips, he absolutely finishes some runs like a LB.

I’m not gonna hype myself into thinking he’s more than a flier, but he’s very much an unfinished product at RB.
It’s funny, “unfinished product” was exactly what I saw as well, but that’s what caused me to dismiss him.
Guess it’s the position more than anything, if the league doesn’t value RB, and you can seemingly claim competent players off the street when needed (see Duke Johnson), I don’t see why you’d spend much effort/time developing a guy that is that raw.
Then again, if he makes the PS, who knows, since it’s also a position where a raw aren’t can come into a good scheme and look like a star.

Agreed on the draft thing, when you make the moves they did, you can’t just look at the draft, but really have to look at the off-season as a whole.
For me, I’m choosing to look at it the most simple way possible…I’m far more excited for the season now than I was a few months ago. I’m trying not to over analyze everything, ad I tend to do, because that should be what’s most important as a fan…some excitement and optimism.
 

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If there's anything this coaching staff should be able to do, based on history, is find a UDFA or two per year for the OL and RB room. Based on the money thrown Kellen Diesch's way, they're expecting him to stick. I'll be following Clary and Andries closely, too.

I like Zaquandre White's tape. I think he's possibly good enough for Miami to pass on paying Gaskin to run behind Mostert/Chase. Cutting him will save 2.5 million. Ahmed, meanwhile, is making pennies.

Have you ever seen two single friends hangout, get along, and clearly "fit" as a couple, but one of them won't make a move? That feels like Miami and J.C. Tretter. Geez, just get the deal done already!
 

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If there's anything this coaching staff should be able to do, based on history, is find a UDFA or two per year for the OL and RB room. Based on the money thrown Kellen Diesch's way, they're expecting him to stick. I'll be following Clary and Andries closely, too.

I like Zaquandre White's tape. I think he's possibly good enough for Miami to pass on paying Gaskin to run behind Mostert/Chase. Cutting him will save 2.5 million. Ahmed, meanwhile, is making pennies.

Have you ever seen two single friends hangout, get along, and clearly "fit" as a couple, but one of them won't make a move? That feels like Miami and J.C. Tretter. Geez, just get the deal done already!
Tretter is a guy I expected them to spring on quickly, but the fact that not only they haven’t, but also no other team has should be a little bit of a red flag.

It could be that Tretter is waiting to pick his spot, or asking for too much money. I was reading that even though he suited up basically every week for Cleveland, he was dealing with knee and ankle issues his entire time there and hardly practiced.

Another guy I thought would be the poor man’s Tretter was Matt Paradis. I could see Miami giving him a one year deal to come in and compete for the job.

Apart from the free agents, Miami also reportedly was testing out Connor Williams at center.
 

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It dawns on me, it’s kind of funny that the Patriots wound up the picks traded for Hill…so the Dolphins acquired Tyreek Hill and the two high picks lost turned into Cole Strange and Tyquan Thornton…

I think I’m at peace with how this draft situation turned out.
 

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It dawns on me, it’s kind of funny that the Patriots wound up the picks traded for Hill…so the Dolphins acquired Tyreek Hill and the two high picks lost turned into Cole Strange and Tyquan Thornton…

I think I’m at peace with how this draft situation turned out.
Yeah what use could the dolphins have for a potentially really good left guard.
 

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Yeah what use could the dolphins have for a potentially really good left guard.
The Dolphins could certainly use a Guard. They need help across the line, but if you’re drafting a Guard in the 1st round, I’d argue that positional value dictates that he better be pro-bowl level for it to make sense.
I’d take my chances finding a starting caliber Guard amongst the UDFA’s, or reasonable veteran contracts, as opposed to trying to find a Tyreek Hill.
 

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If nothing else, I like it better than when they signed Howard for 2 years 9+ million to potentially be a bigger, complimentary back.
 

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If nothing else, I like it better than when they signed Howard for 2 years 9+ million to potentially be a bigger, complimentary back.
It’s wild to think the starting running back for the last two years is now 4th on the depth chart.

Moestert, Edmunds, and Michel is a massive upgrade over Gaskin, Ahmed, and Malcom Brown.

I suppose this is why you don’t need to draft a running back, but those three guys are also 1-2 year solutions.

Would be surprised if Miami doesn’t come away from next year’s draft with a RB when they have their full slate of picks and an extra first and third rounder at their disposal.
 
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I may have to rethink my Tua stance….
I’m getting close to the point where I’d rather he never play another game, than have to ever see the phrase “Tuanon” again, or read/hear anything about him (positive or negative). Everything with Tua is just exhausting…
 

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I may have to rethink my Tua stance….
I’m getting close to the point where I’d rather he never play another game, than have to ever see the phrase “Tuanon” again, or read/hear anything about him (positive or negative). Everything with Tua is just exhausting…
Sorry, what is this in reference to?
 

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Sorry, what is this in reference to?
If you Google Tua, or checkout any Dolphins discussion outside this site, it really changes daily.

This past week or so
There was the Tua was golfing the morning of a game story, and the idea he was doing it as a stunt to show up Flores and prove he was healthy enough to start.
An ill conceived “hype post” from the Dolphins social media turned into a national story. Mocking Tua and the team was the front page of NFL/r for a few days.
There’s Tua’s obnoxious self promoting trainer.

Above all else though there’s the portion of the fan base that refers to themselves as “Tuanon”. I hate that I’ve heard it referenced in podcasts and national media. It actually mirrors Quanon in more than just name, as any criticism of Tua (regardless of its validity) is met by a mob with pitchforks and claims of heresy. There is no discourse.
Looking for Dolphins information online, or trying to engage amongst the fan community, leaves me drained in the same way that perusing a Roe vs. Wade comments section online would.

That’s a bit of the context for why I posted that today, but like I said, it seems to be added to daily, and it just permeates anything Dolphins.
I guess part of it is my own fault, for going to places like Dolphins Reddit, but I’m someone that’s always consuming Information and am perpetually curious, so it’s hard to go an entire week without trying to check in on some Dolphins news, outside this site.
 

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If you Google Tua, or checkout any Dolphins discussion outside this site, it really changes daily.

This past week or so
There was the Tua was golfing the morning of a game story, and the idea he was doing it as a stunt to show up Flores and prove he was healthy enough to start.
An ill conceived “hype post” from the Dolphins social media turned into a national story. Mocking Tua and the team was the front page of NFL/r for a few days.
There’s Tua’s obnoxious self promoting trainer.

Above all else though there’s the portion of the fan base that refers to themselves as “Tuanon”. I hate that I’ve heard it referenced in podcasts and national media. It actually mirrors Quanon in more than just name, as any criticism of Tua (regardless of its validity) is met by a mob with pitchforks and claims of heresy. There is no discourse.
Looking for Dolphins information online, or trying to engage amongst the fan community, leaves me drained in the same way that perusing a Roe vs. Wade comments section online would.

That’s a bit of the context for why I posted that today, but like I said, it seems to be added to daily, and it just permeates anything Dolphins.
I guess part of it is my own fault, for going to places like Dolphins Reddit, but I’m someone that’s always consuming Information and am perpetually curious, so it’s hard to go an entire week without trying to check in on some Dolphins news, outside this site.
Got it, thanks. That does seem exhausting.

I saw the Tweet of the "rocket" from Tua to Hill. Yikes.
 

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If you Google Tua, or checkout any Dolphins discussion outside this site, it really changes daily.

This past week or so
There was the Tua was golfing the morning of a game story, and the idea he was doing it as a stunt to show up Flores and prove he was healthy enough to start.
An ill conceived “hype post” from the Dolphins social media turned into a national story. Mocking Tua and the team was the front page of NFL/r for a few days.
There’s Tua’s obnoxious self promoting trainer.

Above all else though there’s the portion of the fan base that refers to themselves as “Tuanon”. I hate that I’ve heard it referenced in podcasts and national media. It actually mirrors Quanon in more than just name, as any criticism of Tua (regardless of its validity) is met by a mob with pitchforks and claims of heresy. There is no discourse.
Looking for Dolphins information online, or trying to engage amongst the fan community, leaves me drained in the same way that perusing a Roe vs. Wade comments section online would.

That’s a bit of the context for why I posted that today, but like I said, it seems to be added to daily, and it just permeates anything Dolphins.
I guess part of it is my own fault, for going to places like Dolphins Reddit, but I’m someone that’s always consuming Information and am perpetually curious, so it’s hard to go an entire week without trying to check in on some Dolphins news, outside this site.
Is this unique to Tua and the Dolphins or is it true of the Reddit communities for any team that hasn't had any real success in decades?
 

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Is this unique to Tua and the Dolphins or is it true of the Reddit communities for any team that hasn't had any real success in decades?
Eh, the Tua stuff is a little ridiculous, even for Dolphins fans.

The Twitter post by the social media team is literally mind numbingly dumb on all accounts.

Tyreek Hill just posted a video that has about 8 throws in it that were a minimum 1000x better than the one the Dolphins’ social team posted. Which again makes them seem like absolute fools, at best.

View: https://twitter.com/cheetah/status/1524868519002882067?s=20&t=LbMTLMXIH9eufTpn_rHnAA
 
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