But who? Dealing a #1 in a S&T would have been a massive overpay (Hayward, Grant). And Chris Paul wouldn’t really fit there. So hard to see it for GS.I said at the time that the pick should have been dealt for veteran help.
O Portland, o den of injured centers.Is he the most injury-prone Portland center of all-time?
I wish I had a nice little quip on WaltonO Portland, o den of injured centers.
The funniest story is the Sabonis one, he tried to escape it by refusing to come over, but the Portland curse hunted him down anyways.O Portland, o den of injured centers.
Not a sign & trade. They had Wiggins for ballast and two Minnesota #1s, one of which was the second pick in the draft. They could have made a deal with someone to add another guy. Instead this year they're looking at making that deal for Siakam.But who? Dealing a #1 in a S&T would have been a massive overpay (Hayward, Grant). And Chris Paul wouldn’t really fit there. So hard to see it for GS.
Greg Oden gets my vote.Is he the most injury-prone Portland center of all-time?
So Wyc was on with the 98.5 guys recently (I don't know when, I'm listening to a clip) and repeated what I heard him say on another podcast - that DA came to him in March and said that he wanted to step down and that if DA didn't want to step down, he would still be the coach.As someone who absolutely believes Ainge was given the courtesy of “retiring” for PR reasons, I can’t wait to hear the spin he puts on this one.
This could be true. We will find out if he takes a position with Utah. If he does, I don’t know how anyone can still believe the PR spin. If he remains “retired” then yeah, I’ll be the first to say I don’t know what really happened.So Wyc was on with the 98.5 guys recently (I don't know when, I'm listening to a clip) and repeated what I heard him say on another podcast - that DA came to him in March and said that he wanted to step down and that if DA didn't want to step down, he would still be the coach.
Wyc also said that he still talks to DA and it's his belief that nothing is imminent but he wouldn't be surprised at some point if Danny didn't get back into basketball because he's spent his entire life in it but he didn't think it would be in a GM capacity.
He was also pretty adamant that the process was that Danny said he wanted to step down; they started putting together some names; Wyc asked Brad if he wanted to be considered; after about a week, Brad said yes; and then ownership promoted Brad without talking to anyone else.
Maybe he's lying but if he is, he's among the best I've ever heard.
I'll also say that I was surprised that the 98.5 guys asked all of the tough questions we've asked on this board - whether Danny really retired; whether Brad would be coaching the Cs if he didn't want the President job; whether the players tuned Brad out; whether Brad's contract was the reason they bumped him up; and whether Brad was a fall-back position or ownership's first choice. Wyc was very consistent in his responses..
You can listen to the interview here: https://985thesportshub.com/2021/06/29/wyc-grousbeck-tells-felger-mazz-hes-predicting-a-very-busy-july-for-the-celtics/
Bowie is a good pull and further evidence that Portland centers are cursed however Oden was more broken. Bowie missed only one season to injury while Oden missed four. Bowie's NBA career continued until he was 34 while Oden played his last game at age 26.Not Bowie?
Well, that’s wild news!So Wyc…I heard him say…that if DA didn't want to step down, he would still be the coach.
Flashback to 1999 I guess. Going to leave it show that I am an idiot!Well, that’s wild news!
;-)
I think the hypothetical position in a hypothetical Utah scenario will matter as well. If Ainge takes a role but is less involved in the day-to-day of the draft, contracts, free agents, and trades, then it would still be consistent with a retirement, as I don't think such a role really exists in Boston, but could in fact exist in Utah.This could be true. We will find out if he takes a position with Utah. If he does, I don’t know how anyone can still believe the PR spin. If he remains “retired” then yeah, I’ll be the first to say I don’t know what really happened.
Why would you feel that role wouldn’t exist in Boston where he could be there for Brad, the coach he hired?I think the hypothetical position in a hypothetical Utah scenario will matter as well. If Ainge takes a role but is less involved in the day-to-day of the draft, contracts, free agents, and trades, then it would still be consistent with a retirement, as I don't think such a role really exists in Boston, but could in fact exist in Utah.
For 2 reasons (and to be honest, I'm totally spitballing here):Why would you feel that role wouldn’t exist in Boston where he could be there for Brad, the coach he hired?
Agree on #2.For 2 reasons (and to be honest, I'm totally spitballing here):
1.) It can actually be far more difficult to step back to a less involved role in your own organization than it can be to take such a role in a different organization. It's different when you are no longer involved in the key decisions and you see the people that worked for you suddenly act outside your direction. It's analogous to a VP running an organization of 100+ people taking on a "Strategic VP of Strategic Strategy Office" role. Even if it's on their own volition, those roles seldom last more than 6 months. And just being listed in the org chart (a-la Red Auerbach) may not have appealed to him at all.
2.) The ownership group in Boston seems somewhat involved in the team's operation, even if they don't directly make basketball decisions. So the organization may not be set up for such a role.
yeah that's not a real source, also, the Math makes no sense.
Hope we get some quality leaks about the types of packages that Philly is seeking and/or is being offered. Have to imagine that Ben gets dealt this summer.
I doubt a deal happens before the draft. Philly is, rightfully, going to ask for the moon prior leading up to the draftHope we get some quality leaks about the types of packages that Philly is seeking and/or is being offered. Have to imagine that Ben gets dealt this summer.
Yes, fortunately the summer extends belong July 29thI doubt a deal happens before the draft. Philly is, rightfully, going to ask for the moon prior leading up to the draft
Unfortunately the moon’s no longer available.I doubt a deal happens before the draft. Philly is, rightfully, going to ask for the moon prior leading up to the draft
This was always the pretty clear end game here once there was any ACL rumor but they didn’t immediately declare him out for the season.View: https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1415108020439339008
Kawhi Leonard had surgery to repair a partially torn right ACL.
Sham didn't specify in his tweet when the operation took place, but assuming it was this week, why such a long break between the initial injury and the surgery? I know ACL patients aren't always rushed into surgery, but Kawhi suffered the injury on June 14.This was always the pretty clear end game here once there was any ACL rumor but they didn’t immediately declare him out for the season.
Recovery unlikely to be much less than a full tear. Surgery and rehab pretty much the same as a full tear. Similar to Dinwiddie.
Usually the partial tears don’t have a full anterior tibial translations and are less likely to have associated meniscus tears and lots of other joint damage compared to the full tears.
While Kawhi may not rush back, the timeline on partial ACL repair is 3-6 months. It is unlikely that he will sit out the year.There's basically zero chance Kawhi rushes himself to play next year. Clippers are now in the position to pay him ~$40M next year to sit, then $245M+ over 5 years with no idea how he looks. Yikes.
Teams with ownership/front office stability would still be in play. Miami for sure and maybe Dallas I’d guess. The downside is that teams signing Kawhi wouldn’t have his first year contact paid by insurance.Yeah, Clippers still have such bad alternatives they are almost surely going to offer him their max. It would seem to reduce chances he goes elsewhere a bit though---other teams have to be pretty nervous about that commitment and about losing the first year, don't they?
This is Kawhi. I’d auto-stretch that window to 6-9 months before even taking next action.While Kawhi may not rush back, the timeline on partial ACL repair is 3-6 months. It is unlikely that he will sit out the year.
Rad was saying above that you should consider it a full tear for the purposes of recovery?While Kawhi may not rush back, the timeline on partial ACL repair is 3-6 months. It is unlikely that he will sit out the year.
This was always the pretty clear end game here once there was any ACL rumor but they didn’t immediately declare him out for the season.
Recovery unlikely to be much less than a full tear. Surgery and rehab pretty much the same as a full tear. Similar to Dinwiddie.
Usually the partial tears don’t have a full anterior tibial translations and are less likely to have associated meniscus tears and lots of other joint damage compared to the full tears.
Possible, I agree....though I do think the value of him is really impacted if you lose the first year (uninsured, as you note) and there has to be a bit of uncertainty about the degree of injury, right? At least, the Clips have a broader sense of where he is by having him all year than other teams. Not disqualifying for teams like those you list but just raises the risk profile a bit more.Teams with ownership/front office stability would still be in play. Miami for sure and maybe Dallas I’d guess. The downside is that teams signing Kawhi wouldn’t have his first year contact paid by insurance.
This is Kawhi. I’d auto-stretch that window to 6-9 months before even taking next action.
I don't want to put words in rad's mouth, but I read his post as saying that the surgery is basically the same, but recovery time should be on the left side of the bell curve due to less traumatic movement within the joint during the injury event.Rad was saying above that you should consider it a full tear for the purposes of recovery?
Not me. LBJ one year older. The Boogeyman isnt as scary as he once was. And Kawhi and Davis are a pretty fragile bunch.My big fear on Kawhi has been that the Lakers somehow get involved. This does not make that easier (though it does not rule it out, and I guess a vet min 1 year deal is not somewhat in play)
Who knows with Kawhi, but partial ACL tears are a little trickier to get a handle on.Sham didn't specify in his tweet when the operation took place, but assuming it was this week, why such a long break between the initial injury and the surgery? I know ACL patients aren't always rushed into surgery, but Kawhi suffered the injury on June 14.
Depends on the details but typically they will do a full reconstruction and the timeline is not much different than a complete tear. Sometimes for partial tears they can do some attempt at repair/PRP injection etc for a shorter timeline but sounds like Kawhi had a reconstruction. 6 months minimum. On one hand they might push the rehab a bit for a partial, but on the other hand it's Kawhi. I think 6-9 months seems reasonable/optimistic.While Kawhi may not rush back, the timeline on partial ACL repair is 3-6 months. It is unlikely that he will sit out the year.
Yeah, I'm sure he will get the max if he wants it, assuming there isn't something else extremely surprising with his medicals. Definitely some risk with him missing a big chunk of his age 31 season and then giving big money for age 32-35. But he also is so good and would have so much excess value on a max at this moment it's still probably worth it for some teams.Durant set the market for Kawhi. There's no way he turns down >200M to chase a(nother) title. Especially since his shot is pretty good just staying with the Clippers.
Hey, Then i’d go with what Rad says. He’ got more experience with this stuff then i do.Rad was saying above that you should consider it a full tear for the purposes of recovery?
I agree that Kawhi will get a max from whomever - similar to Durant. But Durant did take less money to go play in Brooklyn, and his shot to win another title didn't improve with that moveDurant set the market for Kawhi. There's no way he turns down >200M to chase a(nother) title. Especially since his shot is pretty good just staying with the Clippers.
As Rad stated, the Clippers were still alive in the playoffs so there was maybe a chance he could have returned and it is very common for players to schedule family vacations during the two-week Finals window (with the hope of a Finals appearance pushing it back). There is a personal side to this and having surgery following family vacation is one of these sides. It isn’t like you can easily push that back as you could if Kawhi landed in The Finals as he’d be pretty much immobile and working on rehab right out of the gate.Sham didn't specify in his tweet when the operation took place, but assuming it was this week, why such a long break between the initial injury and the surgery? I know ACL patients aren't always rushed into surgery, but Kawhi suffered the injury on June 14.