2021-22 NBA In-Season News/Transactions
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This franchise is completely rudderless, if the Grant rumors are true.
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It's easy to play that game, but in consecutive drafts, the Celtics came away with Smart, Rozier, Brown, Tatum and Rob Williams. The only real consensus pick in that group was Tatum at #3, but the Celtics deserve credit for daring to trade out of the #1 slot. I have a hard time complaining too much about our drafting over the last decade or so considering it's awfully hard to have a better run of picks than that. They won't get them all right.
It would be interesting to see a massive shakeup rather than a rebuild. I'm not sure where they'd get the pieces to acquire Grant unless he's available for a cheaper price than I think.
Does Simons get the max? Collins money?
Haliburton's a good player, for sure. I guess he's probably worth 2 FRP. So, maybe Indiana didn't do all that bad - just sort of thought there'd be a bit more of a haul for a 25 year old All-Star player without any huge deficiencies.
I don't really get that. They traded a lot of assets for Powell/Nance/Covington. Now, I realize that is a sunk cost and the GM who did it is long gone but to do that, then burn it down, and then trade assets to get a win-now type really doesn't make sense to me.
Turner's foot injury likely scared off teams. I think getting Halliburton for Sabonis is a great move. This summer they move off of Hield or Brogdon or both and start rebuilding
Apparently NO was trying to trade for Fox but they couldn't find a match.
Then they get CJ and the Kings get Sabonis.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265723/Pelicans-Expressed-Interest-In-DeAaron-Fox-Trade-Before-Acquiring-CJ-McCollum
It's actually Woj and not realgm. Maybe it was reported and I missed it in the craziness.
Then they get CJ and the Kings get Sabonis.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265723/Pelicans-Expressed-Interest-In-DeAaron-Fox-Trade-Before-Acquiring-CJ-McCollum
It's actually Woj and not realgm. Maybe it was reported and I missed it in the craziness.
They probably would like to move both, but Turner has an injury so they might be better off waiting for the offseason. He'll have 1 year at $18M left, and the market could be bigger for an extend and trade.
Depends what it costs I guess. If it's basically what they got for CJ and Powell it makes some sense. Clear out salary, add Grant, sign a FA then match Simons.
You then have a core of: Lillard/Simons/Grant/FA to build with. If you aren't going to trade Lillard, swapping out small backcourt guys for a versatile FC player isn't the worst move.
those two Firsts or even one First for Turner aren't walking through that door Kevin
Are you kidding me? This is a terrible year to be drafting mid lottery. Giving up a pick in the 10-14 range to get to the playoffs as a young team is a great trade. Zion, Ingram, et al need to learn to win.
Beal is having season ending surgery on his wrist.
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Washington Wizards All-Star guard Bradley Beal plans to undergo season-ending surgery on his left wrist, sources tell ESPN.
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Washington Wizards All-Star guard Bradley Beal plans to undergo season-ending surgery on his left wrist, sources tell ESPN.
Wizards should try hard to tank now and hope they get lucky in the lottery. Wonder if this makes Bryant a little more available. Montrezl should be gone, and we already know Dinwiddie will be if someone will take him.
I wonder if Dinwiddie for the THT Combo Package could happen? Doesn't help with shooting.
And now he’s a 23.5 year-old who has played 1266 NBA minutes (significantly more than he played in his one good shooting season in college) and put up .407 fg / .316 3fg / .561 ft.
His 3FG% progression from age 19 to 23 now looks like this: .288, .324, .447, .316. Which of these looks like the anomaly?
Before you answer, note that over the same period his progression in FT% (which tends to correlate better than any other metric to sustainable shooting in young players) looks like this: .677, .663, .641, .561.
Based on what we’ve seen to date, Cellar Door’s description “short guard who can’t shoot” (at a high NBA level, anyway) doesn’t seem like unreasonable shorthand to me. He could certainly improve — and by all accounts he has the crazy high work ethic to do so. But I’m not sure we’ve ever seen a 23 year old with those FT shooting numbers who became a great NBA shooter.
Perhaps even more alarming than the mediocre shooting are the atrociously low rates of drawing fouls (0.7 ft per 36 minutes) and rebounding (3.1 reb per 36). Unlike shooting, those are skills that don’t tend to improve much in young players, particularly ones that are already 23.5 year old fully grown men.
Based on what we’ve see to date, I’d definitely put him in the category of “mediocre talent,” even given his stellar on-ball D and sterling character.
I like Sabonis a lot, but I also think Sac just got rid of by far the best of their four guards.
Windhorst says Harden/Simmons thing still on.
Windhorst just now on NBA Today: “no matter what you hear from the Nets or the Sixers, the game is on. This negotiation is taking place.” He adds that one hold up is what the Nets get in addition to Simmons. Could be a player like Curry or Thybulle.
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Windhorst just now on NBA Today: “no matter what you hear from the Nets or the Sixers, the game is on. This negotiation is taking place.” He adds that one hold up is what the Nets get in addition to Simmons. Could be a player like Curry or Thybulle.
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There Is no anomaly as he in year one of a level change. Based on his improved numbers at the prior level along with his good/very good mechanics, release and rotation I would expect improved numbers next season. He is far from a bad shooter.
Let's say we get over the deadline and simmons isnt traded. What does his camp do? An entire season lost for a non-injury related issue is pretty crazy at his age.
Wasn’t really a commentary on Celtics drafting. Wasn’t Haliburton the year where the Celtics lost like every lotto tiebreaker? Actually, I think that was the Herro/Langford year. No matter how we got here, this team desperately needs to hit on someone soon.
But for the foot injury, Turner would have been a natural fit in a bunch of places.
Really dislike the trade for the Kings. If they concluded that Fox and Haliburton cannot co-exist (which is reasonable), why not wait until next year. Maybe Fox comes back "in the best shape of his life" and his play improves next year. Barring a massive injury, its not like his trade value is going to get much lower. If anyone on that roster should have been untouchable, I would think it would be the young, very talented, cheap, and plays the most important position in basketball and shoots over 40% from three "guy"
As to Sabonis, he seems like a tough fit to build around. He is not capable of anchoring a defense, and not enough of a transcendent offensive talent to allow you to win despite his poor D. The fit in SacTown seems terrible. He couldn’t co-exist with Turner, but now he’ll need to with Holmes? And Sacramento can’t surround him with shooting - they don’t have it, since what little they had they just traded away.
1. Getting the 10th seed and qualifying for the play-in does not = "making the playoffs."
2. Love the optimism that Zion will play this season - you have any inside sources in Portland?
On the plus side, if he doesn't play it'll be the 3rd highest single season total in three pointers made for him.
Turner fits? Charlotte maybe? but they aren't giving up matching salaries and 2 firsts. Getting one first in a pedestrian draft are really tough to come by
Credit to Pritchard on getting his hands on Haliburton. That should motivate them to move a 29yr old Brogdon that will cost $70MM over the next 3 seasons.
Toronto? The Kings were the likely landing spot for Turner or Sabonis. I just didn't see them coughing up Haliburton.
that's fine, but they aren't giving up picks & matching salaries. Turner is a neutral asset on that contract
moving on, what is the acquisition cost this summer for Malcolm?
With the moves they made, the Pacers may not be that motivated to trade Brogdon. They project to be well out of the tax. They are not exactly a free agent destination, so freeing up space is not a strategy. His contract runs for a while (forever), but by the time they need to pay Halliburton it will just be him and Malcom on the books.
Herb Simon is 87. Shaking up the roster is one thing, a full tear down is another. A backcourt of Haliburton and Brogdon with Duarte as the third guard is a great foundation. They have Turner (and Goga) at the 5, just need some wings - there are plenty of those to around, right? If they could move Malcom for SF who plays plus D, that would make some sense. I would be surprised if they just dumped him for future assets.
They could do the same thing with Brogdon they did with Sabonis. Trade him for a current asset that should continue to get better.
The West is pretty terrible. They’re only five games out of the eight seed, which would considerably lengthen their odds of playing a seven game series. They literally gave up a pair of roleplayers and a potential roleplayer for a guy that will help them win now. Because if the pick is any good then they get to keep it. You can’t keep losing forever, sooner or later you have to start winning.
1. The bottom of the West is not great - partly because the Pels are in it. They are indeed 5 games out of the 8th seed. They are also 1 game out of 13th and 4 games out of 14th.
2. Agreed, they gave up a very good role player in Josh Hart on a great contract for a guy making north of 30M, who will definitely not be part of the team if and when they make it out of the second round.
3. I have not found reporting on the protections on the pick in the out years. If its 5-14 it conveys this year, if not its a future first. If its heavily protected in those out years, ok. If not, this could be bad.
4. Agreed, loosing forever is bad.
Where we part ways is the timing and the choice of acquisition. The Pels let Lonzo go so they could sign Graham, then traded assets for a rich (old) man's Graham. If they had gotten Powell, Halliburton or anyone of comparable talent under 29 I would be more understanding.
All that being said, I completely acknowledge if that Zion does return to health this year, no one wants to play this version of the Pels in the play in or the first round.
Did they really "let" Lonzo go? I thought he wanted out of New Orleans. Not much they could have done at that point.
Portland is one game behind them… and tanking. San Antonio is two games behind them and not getting any better. Sacramento is two and a half games behind them, and rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. The two teams in front of them are the gawdawful Lakers and the injured Clippers, who’re betting on running waves of roleplayers at opponents.
Josh Hart is an OKish roleplayer. Not a 3&D guy because he’s not much of a shooter. Not really a good offensive player otherwise. He does rebound well, I guess. That’s something. But all told I’d rather have Josh Richardson than Hart.
It’s protected if they win the lottery. It pretty much conveys unless they make the playoffs. And, to be brutally frank, this is an atrocious draft to have a lottery pick. There’s a ton of roleplayer talent, but the only guy I’m seeing so far with star potential is Jabari Smith Jr., and even he looks more like an ultra-high end 3&D guy than an actual star. And he’s the odds on favorite to go #1 at the moment. I actually pity the teams tanking this year. Wrong draft.
Klutch wanted him out of New Orleans, the Pels basically saw the writing on the wall and made the best of a bad situation. (After Davis who could blame them?)
How is Houston feeling about those Net picks?
start selling KD voodoo dolls outside the Toyota Center pre-game
start selling KD voodoo dolls outside the Toyota Center pre-game
This is exactly what you hope for when you take the picks of a team whose best players are in their 30s. Harden loses a step, KD has chronic injuries, someone asks out, and suddenly you're looking at a lot of lottery picks with no way for the team that owes you them to improve.
They probably get a useful roleplayer this year. Next year they probably don’t make the swap. But things look good starting in 2024.
All of these "reports" should probably be taken with multiple scoops of salt.
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oh I know it's all press negotiation. I just find it funny when PHI is like... ah yes we won't give up anything buy Simmons and Thybulle, we could always sign him in the offseason we have a plan....
of course the plan involves trading at the very least Simmons, Thybulle and picks because there is no other way to clear cap and Harris is a massively negative asset on his contract that you need to move, so Simmons/Thybulle in a sign and trade makes more sense anyway.
Both sides will be leaking like sieves on this one.
If I'm Morey what I am saying is that I can dump Harris and get Harden as a FA with no comp for Nets in offseason. So, playing Morey's role here, I'm arguing that the only reason I'm willing to do non-trash players to get to matching salary is to get a shot at Harden-Embiid in playoffs this year and I have to add too much it's not worth it. He'd argue the cost of dumping Harris (two firsts?) is less than adding in proven guys like Maxey. I'm also arguing you're getting Simmons for more years and in his prime vs older Harden (shorter window).
If I'm Marks what I'm saying is Harden is a tier above Simmons, that he will want supermax and a sign and trade not a pure FA, that if Nets get healthy and win this year he might simply stay, and that the price in offseason trade-wise is same as now so you might as well pay it now and we both get a real playoff run with the new guys. And I am of course noting Simmons isn't playing for Philly so the overall improvement from adding Harden and subtracting maxey etc. is still large.
I think Morey's position is stronger and he'll end up not having to cave on guys he wants to keep. But we'll see. Simmons-Thybulle-Curry-filler for Harden-Mills would seem to make sense for both, imo. Korkmaz instead of Thybulle probably a bit better for Philly and possible too. I wouldn't deal Maxey if I were Morey and suspect he has the hole card----Marks really can't risk losing Harden for nothing.
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Nets should negotiate with 76ers right up to the deadline & not make a deal unless it's the one they want.
Feel free to double check my math, but...
76ers can't clear cap room without moving both Harris + Simmons.
Harden's next contract can start at $46.5m.
The 76ers are currently on the books for $150m next year & have $7.2m in cap holds.
The estimated cap is $121m.
If you take both Simmons ($35.4m) & Harris ($37.6m) off, & add Harden's $46.5m, you are at $123.5m.
Danny Green's $10m doesn't guarantee until July, so they can move off him & get to $113.5m. They can non-tender Joe/Reed/Bassey to get rid of their cap holds if they want. & Shake's option should either be picked up or he should be traded ($2m).
So, bottom line, if they keep Shake, trade Harris/Simmons & cut Green, they can only take back about $5.5m in 2022 salary in the Harris/Simmons trade without moving off other people too - & no one else other than Embiid really makes much $...Curry $8.5m, Korkmaz $5m, etc.
So they could trade Simmons/Harris at the trade deadline for expirings/picks & make room for Harden, but it just seems hugely impractical to try to dump them into space in the off-season. & also they're punting on this season by doing that.
So I think the Nets have the leverage advantage because it's hugely likely that even if Harden does want to go to the 76ers in the off season, they will need the Nets to facilitate it in a s&t, & that would likely be at least Simmons if they haven't moved him already at this deadline.
Feel free to double check my math, but...
76ers can't clear cap room without moving both Harris + Simmons.
Harden's next contract can start at $46.5m.
The 76ers are currently on the books for $150m next year & have $7.2m in cap holds.
The estimated cap is $121m.
If you take both Simmons ($35.4m) & Harris ($37.6m) off, & add Harden's $46.5m, you are at $123.5m.
Danny Green's $10m doesn't guarantee until July, so they can move off him & get to $113.5m. They can non-tender Joe/Reed/Bassey to get rid of their cap holds if they want. & Shake's option should either be picked up or he should be traded ($2m).
So, bottom line, if they keep Shake, trade Harris/Simmons & cut Green, they can only take back about $5.5m in 2022 salary in the Harris/Simmons trade without moving off other people too - & no one else other than Embiid really makes much $...Curry $8.5m, Korkmaz $5m, etc.
So they could trade Simmons/Harris at the trade deadline for expirings/picks & make room for Harden, but it just seems hugely impractical to try to dump them into space in the off-season. & also they're punting on this season by doing that.
So I think the Nets have the leverage advantage because it's hugely likely that even if Harden does want to go to the 76ers in the off season, they will need the Nets to facilitate it in a s&t, & that would likely be at least Simmons if they haven't moved him already at this deadline.
Yeah, basically PHI has to dump Simmons and Harris for little to no money back, and since nobody is taking both, the question becomes what do you pay to get off Harris, and what will you get back for Simmons if everyone knows you're dumping him. Add to that... there aren't a whole lot of teams with cap space to do either deal... so Green has to go, and likely someone you like goes too.
And that is asking Harden to leave $70M on the table. He would prefer a trade and extension situation for sure.
Chicago would take Kobe ... but they're not going to give up Ben Gordon to make it happen
The Utah Jazz are acquiring guard Portland’s Nickeil Alexander-Walker and the Spurs’ Juancho Hernangomez in a three-way deal, sources tell ESPN. The Spurs gets guard Tomas Satoransky and a second-round pick, and the Blazers get Joe Ingles, Elijah Hughes and a second-round pick.
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Juancho and Nickeil Alexander Walker to Utah.
Spurs eat Satoransky and get a 2nd
Blazers eat Ingles' expiring, get a 2nd and Elijah Hughes (early 2nd in 2020)
Juancho and Nickeil Alexander Walker to Utah.
Spurs eat Satoransky and get a 2nd
Blazers eat Ingles' expiring, get a 2nd and Elijah Hughes (early 2nd in 2020)
So, net is Utah goes a bit cheap on backfilling their bench (but some youth as well); Blazers shed more salary; Spurs get pick to facilitate.
yep. I kinda hate if for Utah... feel like getting 1 guy better than those 2 would be a better use of a big expiring and a couple 2nds.