I'm not sure about this. He didn't trade just Simmoms for a top 15 player. He had to give up two first round picks and Curry (who are criminally underrated).
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There goes the above theory
Nets played this as well as they could from a guy that wanted out
Harden won't age well after he signs that massive deal this summer
I definitely am happy saying my "Morey is outsmarting himself" take turned out to be wrong (never quite understood why on the internet saying "oops, blew that call" is so hard for some). But I don't think Klutch lost, either. The Nets are a great landing spot for Simmons and it did work out for Morey that Harden pulled a virtual Simmons, so waiting for that worked. And, yet, as others have pointed out, the deal as a whole is better for the Nets than for Philly. The picks, for example, may not work out to be a big deal, but Brooklyn definitely got max value out of Morey. If the Nets ending up beating the 76ers in teh playoffs, I'm not sure this is such a win.
I'm really looking forward to seeing them as that'll be a great fit. And I definitely want to root for Simmons, but the problem is he has a teammate who makes that impossible. Still, that's going to be a fascinating team -- love what they have going even if it includes a reprehensible guy. And the beauty for them is that Simmons (if his head is screwed on) should fit in with a minimum of having to adapt/be adapted to since the Nets have been running the sorts of sets already that will take advantage of his skills.
I agree. It worked out well for everyone really. And fwiw, laughing off the "Klutch has a stranglehold on the league" talk wasn't meant to be dunking on anyone in particular. I've just always found that stuff to be overblown. Anything that got Ben back on the court was good for Ben and, by extension, Klutch. They just didn't have anything really to do with it, in this case.
Clearly a win-now move for Philly. If they bomb out in the playoffs, especially to the Nets, that is worst case for them absolutely.
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As part of deal, new 76ers star James Harden is opting into his $47.3 million player option on contract for next season, sources tell
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As part of deal, new 76ers star James Harden is opting into his $47.3 million player option on contract for next season, sources tell
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Honestly... everyone got what they wanted.
Morey got his favorite "Star" even if he had to give up more than he wanted
Simmons not only got out of PHI, he got to a top contender, in a big market, where he doesn't have to bear the burden of being the top 2 guys.
Klutch got their client to a new team in a bigger/better market
BKN...they probably didn't want to move Harden, but the return is awful good.
Morey got his favorite "Star" even if he had to give up more than he wanted
Simmons not only got out of PHI, he got to a top contender, in a big market, where he doesn't have to bear the burden of being the top 2 guys.
Klutch got their client to a new team in a bigger/better market
BKN...they probably didn't want to move Harden, but the return is awful good.
I think unless at least one of three things happens:
1) KD is gimpy for the playoffs
2) Simmons doesn't integrate well after a long layoff
3) Kyrie can't play home games for the playoffs
And even assuming that Embiid stays healthy and Harden plays really well in Philly, I think Philly is probably going to get rolled by Brooklyn in the playoffs this year.
But at least the Simmons saga is over and they have a chance. I hope the teams meet in the playoffs and all the main players are available and on the court. It will be must watch tv.
1) KD is gimpy for the playoffs
2) Simmons doesn't integrate well after a long layoff
3) Kyrie can't play home games for the playoffs
And even assuming that Embiid stays healthy and Harden plays really well in Philly, I think Philly is probably going to get rolled by Brooklyn in the playoffs this year.
But at least the Simmons saga is over and they have a chance. I hope the teams meet in the playoffs and all the main players are available and on the court. It will be must watch tv.
Jalen Smith and a 2nd to IND for Torrey Craig
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I just saw the details of the Simmons trade. Holy crap. I know Harden is a great player, but...
Simmons
Curry
Drummond
Two first-round picks
for Harden.
Good lord. That's a blockbuster. All those players sent from Philly have flaws, but it's still a ton of talent being moved.
Simmons
Curry
Drummond
Two first-round picks
for Harden.
Good lord. That's a blockbuster. All those players sent from Philly have flaws, but it's still a ton of talent being moved.
I mean Morey got what he wanted. Klutch absolutely got what they wanted. Everyone seems to be winners here. 2022 style……prizes for all!!!
I mean, i doubt they could beat bk before this trade. They just made it worse for themselves. I guess they could luck up and bk has to go through Milwaukee again
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I've been told by a number of parties that the Nets are working to move Nic Claxton ahead of the 3 PM NBA Trade Deadline. Claxton has missed the Nets' last 2 games with left hamstring tightness, and the Nets just acquired Andre Drummond and are expecting LaMarcus Aldridge back.
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I've been told by a number of parties that the Nets are working to move Nic Claxton ahead of the 3 PM NBA Trade Deadline. Claxton has missed the Nets' last 2 games with left hamstring tightness, and the Nets just acquired Andre Drummond and are expecting LaMarcus Aldridge back.
It's impossible to evaluate this trade because there are so many question marks, which are really what made the trade come into fruition in the first place.
On Philly's end, they paid a premium price to get James Harden and have to be hoping that he is still JAMES HARDEN. This season has been bad for him. Lazy on defense, out of shape and often injured, disinterested in playing. He appeared to have tanked a lot of his value and in the last view weeks, a bunch of in-the-know NBA people have been ripping him to shreds. This comes on the heels of him tanking his way out of Houston. That's two teams he quit on in basically 365 days. There are a ton of questions about his health moving forward, if he is committed enough to physically get in the kind of shape he needs to be in to continue to play at a high level in his mid-30s, and whether or not he really wants to be a championship-level NBA player.
Philly also gave up Curry, a very good player for them who Embiid reportedly liked playing with, and the kind of lethal sniper that helped Philly's spacing after they lost JJ Redick a couple of years ago. Harden is an infinitely more dynamic player when he is right, but there are also a lot of cons that make it more of a delicate balance. Philly at least kept Tyrese Maxey. If Harden is in better shape and committed to winning and is like 90% of Houston James Harden, it might be a great deal because Harden can be that dynamic second player that you'd want next to Embiid. Given the Simmons quagmire, I think it's probably a worthy gamble. Harden did opt in to his contract, but if things go belly-up you probably could still move him next year since he'd be on an expiring deal.
For Brooklyn, the questions I have are even harder to answer. Simmons is probably the most enigmatic player I can recall as far as how people choose to evaluate him. I'm going to assume Simmons is in great physical shape and excited to play in Brooklyn.
What does Simmons do on offense? He isn't going to be the primary ball-handler, not with Kyrie and Durant on the floor (I know Kyrie can't play at home). So he isn't going to be doing what he did in Philly. In theory he should function as a 5 on offense, similar to Draymond Green. He's fucking your spacing up, so you can't play him with another non-shooter, which shouldn't be that hard for Brooklyn, especially now that that they have Curry and if Joe Harris comes back healthy. But on offense he is going to have to do a lot of screening and posting; two things he didn't seem particularly willing to do in Philly. So he'll have to adjust his game to fit in on offense in Brooklyn and his career history doesn't suggest that is something he'll be really interested in doing.
Defensively he'll be great and help Brooklyn on that end a lot, especially going from Harden-to-Simmons. Brooklyn currently ranks 19th in defensive rating, it will be interesting how much they can jump forward with that swap.
The major questions before Simmons of course are between the ears. He's going to be in a big spotlight in Brooklyn now, especially now that he's filling in for Harden. Will be be able to adjust his game to fit in with a vastly different offense? Will he be afraid to shoot free throws in a big game, which would render him almost useless on offense? Will he quit on the Nets if he doesn't get his way? Could there be a weirder pairing of star players than Kyrie and Simmons? All worthy questions.
On Philly's end, they paid a premium price to get James Harden and have to be hoping that he is still JAMES HARDEN. This season has been bad for him. Lazy on defense, out of shape and often injured, disinterested in playing. He appeared to have tanked a lot of his value and in the last view weeks, a bunch of in-the-know NBA people have been ripping him to shreds. This comes on the heels of him tanking his way out of Houston. That's two teams he quit on in basically 365 days. There are a ton of questions about his health moving forward, if he is committed enough to physically get in the kind of shape he needs to be in to continue to play at a high level in his mid-30s, and whether or not he really wants to be a championship-level NBA player.
Philly also gave up Curry, a very good player for them who Embiid reportedly liked playing with, and the kind of lethal sniper that helped Philly's spacing after they lost JJ Redick a couple of years ago. Harden is an infinitely more dynamic player when he is right, but there are also a lot of cons that make it more of a delicate balance. Philly at least kept Tyrese Maxey. If Harden is in better shape and committed to winning and is like 90% of Houston James Harden, it might be a great deal because Harden can be that dynamic second player that you'd want next to Embiid. Given the Simmons quagmire, I think it's probably a worthy gamble. Harden did opt in to his contract, but if things go belly-up you probably could still move him next year since he'd be on an expiring deal.
For Brooklyn, the questions I have are even harder to answer. Simmons is probably the most enigmatic player I can recall as far as how people choose to evaluate him. I'm going to assume Simmons is in great physical shape and excited to play in Brooklyn.
What does Simmons do on offense? He isn't going to be the primary ball-handler, not with Kyrie and Durant on the floor (I know Kyrie can't play at home). So he isn't going to be doing what he did in Philly. In theory he should function as a 5 on offense, similar to Draymond Green. He's fucking your spacing up, so you can't play him with another non-shooter, which shouldn't be that hard for Brooklyn, especially now that that they have Curry and if Joe Harris comes back healthy. But on offense he is going to have to do a lot of screening and posting; two things he didn't seem particularly willing to do in Philly. So he'll have to adjust his game to fit in on offense in Brooklyn and his career history doesn't suggest that is something he'll be really interested in doing.
Defensively he'll be great and help Brooklyn on that end a lot, especially going from Harden-to-Simmons. Brooklyn currently ranks 19th in defensive rating, it will be interesting how much they can jump forward with that swap.
The major questions before Simmons of course are between the ears. He's going to be in a big spotlight in Brooklyn now, especially now that he's filling in for Harden. Will be be able to adjust his game to fit in with a vastly different offense? Will he be afraid to shoot free throws in a big game, which would render him almost useless on offense? Will he quit on the Nets if he doesn't get his way? Could there be a weirder pairing of star players than Kyrie and Simmons? All worthy questions.
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The Mavericks are trading Kristaps Porzingis to Washington, league sources say.
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The Washington Wizards are trading Spencer Dinwiddie to the Dallas Mavericks, sources tell
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The Mavericks are trading Kristaps Porzingis to the Wizards for a packaged centered on Spencer Dinwiddie, sources tell ESPN.
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The Mavericks are trading Kristaps Porzingis to Washington, league sources say.
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The Washington Wizards are trading Spencer Dinwiddie to the Dallas Mavericks, sources tell
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The Mavericks are trading Kristaps Porzingis to the Wizards for a packaged centered on Spencer Dinwiddie, sources tell ESPN.
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Lol Dinwiddie and Bertans for Kristaps?
Lol Dinwiddie and Bertans for Kristaps?
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Source: Mavs are trading Kristaps Porzingis to the Wizards for Spencer Dinwiddie and Davis Bertans.
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Source: Mavs are trading Kristaps Porzingis to the Wizards for Spencer Dinwiddie and Davis Bertans.
Interesting deal; if Bertans can't make it work in Dallas he really is done!
Seems like a hedge against Brunson leaving too
We are going to need a good summary when everything settles. What a crazy day and we aren't done yet.
I am baffled by this. I assumed it was salary relief... it isn't. save less than a million next year, could save $8M the next year if DInwiddie doesn't play 50 games the next 2 years, but if he does you save less than a million.
It reminds me of the four-team MLB trade wherein the Twins never got anything
I think it is two things, with maybe a third
1. A bet against Porzingis' health
2. A hedge against Brunson leaving
3. An upside play with Bertans, who (if he can shoot again) fits with Luka and gives them two rotation players for one here
That all said, I don't like it for Dallas mostly because I'm not a Dinwiddie guy.
THinking about it, wonder if this means Dallas IS going to move Brunson... otherwise re-signing him means an insane amount of guards on big money.
Maybe they are going after Grant using Brunson and filler?
Maybe they are going after Grant using Brunson and filler?
I thought I heard on the Cs-Nets broadcast that given BRK's schedule, KD, KI, and Harden had eight remaining games they could potentially be on the floor together before the playoffs.
We're going to see just how much systems matter versus talent.
Kristaps' upside is pretty much toast, he is just role player with his injury history. Feels like a move just to switch things up, they are all overpaid.
DARKO thinks they're all pretty mediodcre and not trending in the right direction, for what it's worth.
DARKO thinks they're all pretty mediodcre and not trending in the right direction, for what it's worth.
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And what does Dinwiddie do when Luka has the ball? I mean is 't JRich a better player if you take away the ball handling part?
And not just that the return is awful good, but that the fit is much better even if in a vacuum Harden is the better player.
I'm sort of intrigued by Trez going to Charlotte. He won't fix their defense, that's far sure -- but he is pretty dynamic around the hoop.
You need to have something to offer to get something...
But yeah, I'm sure they'll do... something?
Yeah. One problem is their internal assessment of THT is almost sure a lot higher than the league's so they may just be unwilling to deal him for what they believe is 10 cents on the dollar.
But boy...you have LBJ, you gotta be willing to deal a 2027 pick to get someone else onto that roster.
For all the thinking about Schroder as a bench scorer for a contender...he actually is a salary-dump for Houston.
Are the C's down to 9 active players?
JRich and Langford for White.
PDoz and Bol gone for nothing.
Kanter, DS, Bruno for Theis.
7 players for 2.
Their roster was at 14.
What is going on?
JRich and Langford for White.
PDoz and Bol gone for nothing.
Kanter, DS, Bruno for Theis.
7 players for 2.
Their roster was at 14.
What is going on?
yep, probably bring in the two way guys and go fishing on the buyout market.
edit- make that 10
Kristaps was an odd fit in Dallas, but that is an odd trade. They didn’t save money and Dinwiddie is an even worse roster fit. Maybe they have a Brunson for 2nd tier star deal lined up? Otherwise I can’t make sense of it.
Washington isn’t any good but it’s amazing that they are still turning that Wall franchise-killing albatross contract into additional pieces.
Washington isn’t any good but it’s amazing that they are still turning that Wall franchise-killing albatross contract into additional pieces.