You think they'll stay in Portland? I have a bad feeling, but that could be side effect of these terrible deals.
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They're clearing cap space, they'll have more than a max available in the summer now. I think they're at like $72M in salaries if they cut Bledsoe and decline the option on Hart, 84M if they keep Hart.
I’m pessimistic. The fact that stories stopping popping up this week that they haven’t had any negotiations regarding a lease extension makes me fear the worst.
The Blazers seem to be leaking to every media source that this isn’t a fire sale and that they’ll use the two lottery picks and $60mm in cap space to lure two stars to play with Dame. Not buying that at all.
That is a bummer for Portland, who has been a great basketball town for a long, long time.
I question whether they can get two stars to go there given what's even potentially available even if they truly did plan on trying to do so. It's really a tough tear-down and I can't blame you for being pessimistic about what this all signals. Sorry man---you as fans deserve better.
I question whether they can get two stars to go there given what's even potentially available even if they truly did plan on trying to do so. It's really a tough tear-down and I can't blame you for being pessimistic about what this all signals. Sorry man---you as fans deserve better.
Things look bleak for the Blazers but it would be a shocker if they are actually moved. The team has a lot of support locally and we have seen teams that looked like they were in some form of long term rebuild become competitors over a very short time in Cleveland and Chicago. If anything, the speed with which teams seem to be able to climb out of holes appears to be increasing. The Blazers may be moving on from Dame but its not inconceivable that with the right set of moves, they are back in the mix in a year or two.
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The Pacers are trading Domas Sabonis, Jeremy Lamb and Jeremy Lamb to Sacramento for Tyrese Hailburton, Buddy Hield and Tristan Thompson, sources tell ESPN.
(Note: the second Lamb is Justin Holiday)
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The Pacers are trading Domas Sabonis, Jeremy Lamb and Jeremy Lamb to Sacramento for Tyrese Hailburton, Buddy Hield and Tristan Thompson, sources tell ESPN.
(Note: the second Lamb is Justin Holiday)
Man there were some NBA fanboys around here that loved all of those PDX moves over the last few seasons
Good to see memories are short...
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTPez2FNMck
Good to see memories are short...
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTPez2FNMck
Since we are in the trial phase of the proceedings, I will admit to liking some of Portland's moves and posting about it here. Its good that we do this because it really adds a lot of value to the discussion.
Edit: We should probably have separate threads for poster rankings based on their content and also fake trades that have zero chance of happening when considering real world factors such as skills, salary, cap constraints, team philosophy etc.
Edit: We should probably have separate threads for poster rankings based on their content and also fake trades that have zero chance of happening when considering real world factors such as skills, salary, cap constraints, team philosophy etc.
Sabonis is the best player in the deal, so that is only true if you really believe in Haliburton's ceiling. I like him, but I am of the view he will never be as valuable a player as Sabonis is right now.
On Brogdon, given when he signed his extension he cannot be traded until offseason.
This seems like the right read. It really feels like both teams are essentially saying "let's see how this works". The Kings issues are well documented but I am struggling to see what the Pacers are doing here.
They seem like the logical candidate to move to Seattle ... which would suck for a lot of reasons, including adding hours to my yearly drive north to see them.
That's a good move from IND, good value and pieces they can re-move.
For the Kings.....
Sabonis is really good. On the other hand... Haliburton was basically your only good young player and the fit with Fox is... iffy. Not a rebuild move at all.
If they follow this up with a Barnes trade, and maybe a Fox one it makes more sense.
For IND... Either Hield or Brogdan is likely getting traded before next season. Hield can go now if he's not aggregated, Brogdon has to wait for the summer.
For the Kings.....
Sabonis is really good. On the other hand... Haliburton was basically your only good young player and the fit with Fox is... iffy. Not a rebuild move at all.
If they follow this up with a Barnes trade, and maybe a Fox one it makes more sense.
For IND... Either Hield or Brogdan is likely getting traded before next season. Hield can go now if he's not aggregated, Brogdon has to wait for the summer.
I love this type of deal. Trade a star for a guy who is going to be one. I'm not sure it works for the Kings, but I love it for Indiana.
I'm not sure they chose Fox over Haliburton. They chose Sabonis over Haliburton.
Indiana wasn't taking Fox. I don't know if any teams out there were. Sabonis/Fox is better than Fox/Haliburton and while I'm convinced Haliburton will be a star, it's going to be 2nd banana type. Sabonis is also on a very cheap contract the next 2 years.
I mean isn't that generally what happens when a team moves, you lose a good chunk of the fanbase. Of course I doubt the NBA cares since you're also moving to a metro area that is 60% larger, so you're courting a much larger fanbase.
Fox is 24 and Sabonis is 25. Shooting can be learned/improved. I like this trade for the Kings.
Sabonis and Halliburton have to be two of the best players ever included in an NBA transaction that will have zero impact on future title-contending teams.
I mean... sure, but the rest of that roster is:
Holmes, pretty good, can't play with Sabonis
Davion Mitchell- small guard who can't shoot
Barnes- checked out vet with 1 year left
Bagley- PF who can't play with Sabonis and is a RFA
Harkless- Broken down PF who can't shoot
Metu- PF/C can't shoot
Holiday- Decent bench player
Lamb- expiring, and a case study in why "shooting can be learned' is dangerous.
Shooting can be learned, but lots of guys don't/can't.
This team is a trash fire of bad fits and mediocre talent. They traded their only long term good cheap player with star potential to make a run at MAYBE a 10 seed.
YOu have 2 years to build something in a place FA won't go unless it's the most money by a ton, then Sabonis is gonna walk.
They are hitting the reset button and decided that Haliburton is worth more than a bunch of 1st rounders that might end up in the 20s. When Fox was out this year, Haliburton responded by averaging 20/10. Crazy that he isn't even 22 yet. I'd prefer Haliburton over a package of 1st and swaps from whatever team is acquiring him.
I was curious what Sabonis would go for because I have no clue how people value him. There are such varying opinions. Maybe he turns the Kings around the way Vucevic turned around the Bulls or maybe they continue to be a lottery bound team. He's a hard player for me to get a read on. If he ever does develop a reliable 3 point shot though...
Also re: Portland. They could have a core of Trent/Simmons right now. I'm not sure it would play out any differently than Dame/CJ but they've drafted some guards over the years.
Hmmmm I wouldn’t say so. Aside from the flotsam the deal is essentially Sabonis for Haliburton. It’s funny that Sabonis will now go from one terrible frontcourt fit with him (Myles Turner) to arguably and even worse one in Rashaun Holmes.
Is Buddy Hield considered to be a positive asset given his contract?
Haliburton for Sabonis doesn't seem like a good enough return for Indy.
Haliburton for Sabonis doesn't seem like a good enough return for Indy.
Yup. And Fox, who loves to push pace but can't shoot the three in the halfcourt, doesn't fit well either. Not enough shooting around Sabonis is truly a waste. Talent-wise, Sabonis is terrific but unless they are truly tearing it all down around him (trading Fox, Holmes, etc. too) this won't really move the needle for them.
Placing tags like this on a rookie is reckless. Mitchell improved his 3-pt shooting each year in college and led the Big-12 in eFG% last year while shooting 44.7% on three’s on high volume.
Easy to defend, possibly the lowest BBIQ player in the league and a truly awful defender who gives little effort at it. Aside from that he can knock down 3’s when open which occurre a lot in Sacramento as teams never needed to bring their defensive A-game. He’s not a very good NBA player.
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This deal was Haliburton for Sabonis. Indiana is gambling on Haliburton over a package of picks from a contender.
I'd guess Haliburton averages close to 20/10 for Indiana the rest of the season.
I think they might flip Hield for a 1st (maybe Lakers for the THT/Nunn 1st package).
Yeah, I guess I should say.... small guard who hasn't shot yet. So now the team would be counting on 3 guys, two of them long term vets learning how to shoot. Mitchell is the most likely of the 3 to shoot, but he'll need to be a knockdown shooter if he's pairing with Fox.
I can see them "dumping" Hield for a 2nd rounder. You think a team will move a 1st round pick to pay Hield $20 mil per the next 2 seasons after this one?
The Lakers... yeah. Other than that... maybe? Teams over the cap and real contenders might, especially if IND takes back a lesser not great deal (THT, DeAndre Jordan, Marcus Morris) it seems like Hield supposedly has some front offices that think he'll be better for them. He can shoot, so if you think you can get value out of him, a protected future 1st might make sense for a team that really needs shooting.
is Sabonis going to end up being this generations Shareef Abdul Rahim. Average 20 and 10 and nobody notices. Have no idea how good he really is, because he is never going to play in a meaningful game, and plays in every midmarket outpost in the league. He needs to hit Orlando in a few years, and then wrap up his career in Detroit.
Interesting take. NBA Twitter seems to think that Sacramento got absolutely fleeced in this deal, giving up a potential superstar for a good player that will probably just bolt in two years.
I think it's a mix, it's less about pure value than value to each team. The Kings are basically a worse version of the Pacers, yet they trade their only real long-term asset for a win now piece.
If Haliburton were on GS or MIA or something and they made this move people would hate it less.
The basic thing is when the Kings went into the deadline, the only untouchable things should have been Haliburton and their picks. To trade one of those makes it a bizarre trade. They are getting killed less on value than on how stupid the plan is.
Indy badly needed to move on from the Turner/Sabonis front court, and the fact that they got a potential young all-star in Haliburton makes this an absolute home run of a deal for them. It's nice that Sac got the best player in the deal, but I don't see this making them much better.
Heh, 3 teams in 6 years. It's even worse than that, as he's 20/10/5 and no one cares. He also seems stuck in nowhere land. Indiana really didn't use him right but how do teams use him right? I don't see it being any better in Sacramento. Is he a point center? Do you surround him with 4 shooters and run the offense through him? Do you do this despite the fact he doesn't really generate his own offense relative to other scoring centers? Do you hope he develops the 3 point shot in the next few year? Is he a legit 2nd scorer? It's like he's on the cusp of being a point 5 and the 2nd scorer, but he's not there. One wonders if he'll ever get there because he's been on the cusp awhile now. He's such a hard player to get a read on. What is his ideal role? What team should have made a move on Sabonis? He'd be a great fit here but I'm not sure he'd be a huge net improvement over TL. I could see it working out in Sacramento, but it requires Fox, Sabonis or both to become at least passable 3 point shooters. Does Sabonis get the max the next time around? I guess it largely depends on how he does the next 2+ seasons.
Interesting that in any year with a sample size of 100 or more 3 pointers, Sabonis shot .321, .323 and currently .324. He is a career .322 shooter.
NBA Twitter has long been in love with Hali & I'm not sure there is a deal the Kings could make that would appease NBA Twitter.
I like this better for the Pacers, but I may also share NBA Twitter's irrational Hali affection.
Indy should be fine, they can get off Hield, maybe even get something for him. They basically decided the best outcome was that instead of 2 picks likely non-lottery, they'd rather get a guy who already hit the league and was a steal.
Not sure what a Sabonis package from a contender looks like, but it's probably 2 firsts (1 this year so late) and slop?
That's the thing with Haliburton, the odds that you get even 1 player that good out of a couple 1sts is pretty low. IND is a risk averse team, they prefer to trade for guys they think are good with room to be great than draft picks.
Not sure how Indiana lost. They are long over due for a rebuild and while Sabonis isn't exactly old, he's probably too old to stick around for a rebuild. I doubt any pick package for him would be that great either. If you want to argue it's bad for the Kings... probably.
Almost all trades will have some high priced junk moving hands. Salaries do have to match.
Imagine how different the C's would look had they ended up with Haliburton and Banes instead of Nesmith and Pritchard.
The former was never actually an option but the board was hoping he'd slide. The board was all over Banes too, correctly. In some other universe, that did happen and TL/JT/JB/DB/TH is our starting 5.
The former was never actually an option but the board was hoping he'd slide. The board was all over Banes too, correctly. In some other universe, that did happen and TL/JT/JB/DB/TH is our starting 5.
Pelis & Kings really ramping up that arms raise for the 10th spot in the West.
| Rank | Team | W | L | Out of 10th | |
6 |
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29 | 24 | - | |
7 | Minnesota | 28 | 25 | - | |
8 | L.A. Clippers | 27 | 28 | - | |
9 | L.A. Lakers | 26 | 28 | - | |
10 | New Orleans | 21 | 32 | - | |
11 | Portland | 21 | 33 | 0.5 | |
12 | San Antonio | 20 | 34 | 1.5 | |
13 | Sacramento | 20 | 35 | 2 | |
14 | Oklahoma City | 17 | 36 | 4 | |
15 | Houston | 15 | 38 | 6 |
This is also where I am
I don’t know what Turners contract situationis, but in a vacuum it seems Indy moved the wrong big.