2020 TB12: The Decision 2020

How Would You Feel if Brady Left?

  • Completely devastated

    Votes: 24 13.0%
  • Very disappointed but still got BB

    Votes: 84 45.4%
  • Hold my beer until we know our next QB

    Votes: 29 15.7%
  • Eh, this may turn out to be a plus

    Votes: 32 17.3%
  • Let the Stidham era begin!

    Votes: 16 8.6%

  • Total voters
    185
Status
Not open for further replies.

lexrageorge

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 31, 2007
9,003
I would agree that Brady would probably take a 3/75 type deal with the Pats over, say, a 3/90 type deal with another team. Of course, all we can do is speculate and assume that Brady is not suffering from wanderlust or that Giselle isn't going to convince him to hang them up. And if he does decide to take the 3/90 deal, all we can do is thank him for the 20 spectacular seasons, 6 Lombardi's, and wish him well (just not too well ;) ). It would not be prudent for Kraft to attempt to match such a deal.

OTOH, he's not taking, say, a deal with an AAV of $15M with $10M of NLTBE incentives just to stay in New England, even if multiple years.

We'll see what the Pats actually offer.
 

Van Everyman

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 30, 2009
18,749
Newton
My father is the first person I know who has said he wants Brady to retire. I actually find his reasoning pretty persuasive:

He thinks Brady still has something, maybe even a lot, left. But he thinks this team, with all the aging members and not a great cap situation, doesn’t and that as a result there’s almost nothing Brady can gain from playing another year or two with or without the Patriots.

With the Pats, he will probably be playing less effectively as a result of age and a crappy core around him. Without them, at best he probably plays on a decent team in a totally new system ... as he gets older.

Either way, he would almost certainly diminish his legacy somewhat.

Regarding whether he would actually retire, my dad was less confident. He mentioned the Tom Brady Sr. comments about it ending badly and thinks that these guys never know when to quit – and if he had, probably would have hung them up after last year, going out on top like Gronk. To that point, and as my wife reminded me, Bobby Orr played two shitty seasons with the Blackhawks after he left the Bruins.

I’m not sure I agree with my father but it def. makes me think about whether they can put a good team around Brady. As I look at it, it looks hard:
  1. Their cap situation isn’t great as I understand it (esp. if Brady wants a big deal)
  2. Andrews may be done
  3. There are no great TEs on the horizon
  4. Edelman is getting older, the WR corps is thin and Brady historically has some trouble with new WRs coming into the mix
  5. The linebackers are losing KVN and Hightower is getting old and earning too much money
  6. DMac, JMac, Chung and Harmon are all getting older and probably earning too much money too and might retire rather than take less
Maybe someone can outline a path to them building one last great team. And I’d be delighted to be wrong if Brady were to return and bring the team another ring. But ... it just seems like they have a lot of holes to fill. And that doesn’t seem to bode well for Brady either way.
 

DennyDoyle'sBoil

Found no thrill on Blueberry Hill
SoSH Member
Sep 9, 2008
28,478
AZ
My father is the first person I know who has said he wants Brady to retire. I actually find his reasoning pretty persuasive:

He thinks Brady still has something, maybe even a lot, left. But he thinks this team, with all the aging members and not a great cap situation, doesn’t and that as a result there’s almost nothing Brady can gain from playing another year or two with or without the Patriots.

With the Pats, he will probably be playing less effectively as a result of age and a crappy core around him. Without them, at best he probably plays on a decent team in a totally new system ... as he gets older.

Either way, he would almost certainly diminish his legacy somewhat.

Regarding whether he would actually retire, my dad was less confident. He mentioned the Tom Brady Sr. comments about it ending badly and thinks that these guys never know when to quit – and if he had, probably would have hung them up after last year, going out on top like Gronk. To that point, and as my wife reminded me, Bobby Orr played two shitty seasons with the Blackhawks after he left the Bruins.

I’m not sure I agree with my father but it def. makes me think about whether they can put a good team around Brady. As I look at it, it looks hard:
  1. Their cap situation isn’t great as I understand it (esp. if Brady wants a big deal)
  2. Andrews may be done
  3. There are no great TEs on the horizon
  4. Edelman is getting older, the WR corps is thin and Brady historically has some trouble with new WRs coming into the mix
  5. The linebackers are losing KVN and Hightower is getting old and earning too much money
  6. DMac, JMac, Chung and Harmon are all getting older and probably earning too much money too and might retire rather than take less
Maybe someone can outline a path to them building one last great team. And I’d be delighted to be wrong if Brady were to return and bring the team another ring. But ... it just seems like they have a lot of holes to fill. And that doesn’t seem to bode well for Brady either way.
They need a reset. It is inevitable.

But I just can’t get behind taking their medicine now just because they have to take it soon. To be great again, they will need a very good QB. If I thought Stidham was the guy, maybe I say get on with it. But barring that, I am fine postponing the inevitable if it means watching Brady as the team’s QB for two more years.

I loved this team before they were a threat to win championships every year and I will love them in the future when they are no longer a threat to win championships every year. I can wait a couple of years for the reset if it means we get to watch Brady.

That may not be enough for Bill, who doesn’t have a ton of time left on the clock either and that may be the deciding factor here. But it’s enough for me.
 

nattysez

Well-Known Member
Silver Supporter
SoSH Member
Sep 30, 2010
4,196
My father is the first person I know who has said he wants Brady to retire. I actually find his reasoning pretty persuasive:

He thinks Brady still has something, maybe even a lot, left. But he thinks this team, with all the aging members and not a great cap situation, doesn’t and that as a result there’s almost nothing Brady can gain from playing another year or two with or without the Patriots.

With the Pats, he will probably be playing less effectively as a result of age and a crappy core around him. Without them, at best he probably plays on a decent team in a totally new system ... as he gets older.

Either way, he would almost certainly diminish his legacy somewhat.

Regarding whether he would actually retire, my dad was less confident. He mentioned the Tom Brady Sr. comments about it ending badly and thinks that these guys never know when to quit – and if he had, probably would have hung them up after last year, going out on top like Gronk. To that point, and as my wife reminded me, Bobby Orr played two shitty seasons with the Blackhawks after he left the Bruins.
I just don't think the bolded is true. Not even Jordan's years with the Wizards really lessened his legacy meaningfully.

And most relevant to this discussion, Brady watched Montana go to KC after playing 1 game in 2 years for the Niners and put up pretty solid numbers while almost getting the Chiefs to the Super Bowl in his first year and then bowing out in the Wild Card round in year 2. All the yahoos saying that Brady is not as good as Montana are certainly not hung up on Montana's 2 years in KC.
 

broncoman

lurker
Jan 1, 2020
18
what makes me down on NE is the 2020 road sch @ KC @LA twice @sea @hou @ mia @ buff @ nyj I see at least 5 road L'S if not 6 can u go 8-0 at home with SF and Balt on the sch next year on paper looks like 8-8 9-7 even with brady back without brady u are looking at 6 wins or 7 wins

let say stimam is drew lock can any one of your QB'S suseed with this ol 1 WE and Julian most likely won't play beyond 2020 at least for ne your best path is nail the next 2 drafts build around sitham become a power run team hope balt and kc lose a lot of fa's and coaches and come back in 2022 ready to go

because let say u keep brady 2 more years that great expect now u have no Julln u def will be 2 years older and now u will need 3-4 draft to get good

will mr kraft mind 5-6 years of 8-8 10-6 football because bill will not retire unill he gets suhla record and its gonna take 5-6 years to do it
 

Marciano490

Urological Expert
SoSH Member
Nov 4, 2007
42,427
I’ll bet $100 to the Jimmy Fund Brady doesn’t end up in a city that isn’t Boston, NY, LA, San Francisco or Miami and San Francisco and the Jets ain’t taking him.
 

broncoman

lurker
Jan 1, 2020
18
Denver big mess up was the when manning retired keeping everyone else and drafting a 1st round bust when if Elway wouild have just ripped the bandaid gone 4-12 in 2016 and traded our whole 2017 draft for mathomes or Watson Denver would had been betther off but with good drafting it takes 2 years to dig out of a hole
 

E5 Yaz

Transcends message boarding
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Apr 25, 2002
63,511
Oregon
I’ll bet $100 to the Jimmy Fund Brady doesn’t end up in a city that isn’t Boston, NY, LA, San Francisco or Miami and San Francisco and the Jets ain’t taking him.
Cool ... if he stays with the Patriots, you'd best pony up
 

Marciano490

Urological Expert
SoSH Member
Nov 4, 2007
42,427
Au contraire, Brady going to the Jets at this point in his career would be the Jetsiest thing ever.
I like the way you think.

Giants might not be the craziest idea. Tate, Slayton and Shepherd and Engram is a decent receiving corps. Barkley is a beast. Of course, the OL isn’t great, but the division is a joke.

If the Pats do want Brady back, though, I just can’t imagine the dysfunctional Giants franchise ever beating out the Patriots at anything.
 

bankshot1

Member
SoSH Member
Feb 12, 2003
17,712
where I was last at
My dark horse-The Colts.

They got a great O-line, and a shit ton of cap space to make him happy and to add assets to make him happier.

And I think Jacoby and Brian would understand.
 
Last edited:

m0ckduck

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 20, 2005
860
I like the way you think.

Giants might not be the craziest idea. Tate, Slayton and Shepherd and Engram is a decent receiving corps. Barkley is a beast. Of course, the OL isn’t great, but the division is a joke.

If the Pats do want Brady back, though, I just can’t imagine the dysfunctional Giants franchise ever beating out the Patriots at anything.
Yep, Giants are my dark horse pick. And one of the few he could make that would make me actively root against him.

For comedy sake, it’s funny to try to imagine him with the Redskins— with that organization, in that get-up.
 

StuckOnYouk

Member
SoSH Member
Jun 26, 2006
3,119
CT
Daniel Jones had a good first year for the Giants, I can't imagine they spend 25 million on Brady when they really need to pour that money into their OL or defense.
 

m0ckduck

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 20, 2005
860
Daniel Jones had a good first year for the Giants, I can't imagine they spend 25 million on Brady when they really need to pour that money into their OL or defense.
Yeah, Jones makes it a lot less likely. But I could picture the biz side of the organization making a push for it, and the football operations side talking themselves into dealing Jones for other cost-controlled assets. Jones flashed his first year, but it's not clear he's THE franchise guy— it could turn into one those Bortles / Trubisky / Winston / Goff affairs, where the guy shows enough promise to rope the organization in and then keeps them in limbo for several years. (Not that those guys are strictly interchangeable, but you get the point).
 

cshea

Member
SoSH Member
Nov 15, 2006
24,429
306, row 14
The Titans make the most sense to me if he does leave. No long term commitments to Tannehill or Mariota, friendly with Vrabel, strong supporting cast in place on offense, weak-ish division. The biggest knock is probably some of the off field stuff like moving the family or working out some kind of travel schedule with Giselle and his kids.
 

JokersWildJIMED

Blinded by Borges
SoSH Member
Oct 7, 2004
1,639
They need a reset. It is inevitable.

But I just can’t get behind taking their medicine now just because they have to take it soon. To be great again, they will need a very good QB. If I thought Stidham was the guy, maybe I say get on with it. But barring that, I am fine postponing the inevitable if it means watching Brady as the team’s QB for two more years.

I loved this team before they were a threat to win championships every year and I will love them in the future when they are no longer a threat to win championships every year. I can wait a couple of years for the reset if it means we get to watch Brady.

That may not be enough for Bill, who doesn’t have a ton of time left on the clock either and that may be the deciding factor here. But it’s enough for me.
I love Brady as much as anyone, and a good argument can be made that he should be signed regardless given all that he has done. However, the question really is, does signing Brady for two years actually postpone the inevitable? Most everyone assumes that is the case and that signing Brady for the next year all but guaranties another two years of championship runs, but that is far from certain based on his play this season. If merely "weapons" and injuries to Brady were the main causes of the huge drop-off in Brady's numbers, then that assumption is fair and signing Brady is the right move. However, if not, then signing such a QB will do nothing but guaranty mediocrity (or worse) and delay the rebuild...that is the question that really only an experienced coach/GM can make.
 

reggiecleveland

sublime
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Mar 5, 2004
20,995
Saskatoon Canada
I love Brady as much as anyone, and a good argument can be made that he should be signed regardless given all that he has done. However, the question really is, does signing Brady for two years actually postpone the inevitable? Most everyone assumes that is the case and that signing Brady for the next year all but guaranties another two years of championship runs, but that is far from certain based on his play this season. If merely "weapons" and injuries to Brady were the main causes of the huge drop-off in Brady's numbers, then that assumption is fair and signing Brady is the right move. However, if not, then signing such a QB will do nothing but guaranty mediocrity (or worse) and delay the rebuild...that is the question that really only an experienced coach/GM can make.
I am down with this. What he has done at his age is unprecedented. But, unless you buy he has unlocked some secret training regime, and I am doubtful, it is unreasonable not to expect a decline next year.
 

steveluck7

Member
SoSH Member
May 10, 2007
3,133
Burrillville, RI
I am down with this. What he has done at his age is unprecedented. But, unless you buy he has unlocked some secret training regime, and I am doubtful, it is unreasonable not to expect a decline next year.
This is kind of my thought on this. I feel that people are under selling the unprecedented nature of this situation. a QB who'll be 43 during training camp, who, while not at his peak, will likely be in the upper tier of the league, looking for multiple years.
These are the factors, as i see them:
43 years old - has made it clear on multiple occasions that he wants to play at least 3 more seasons ("until i'm 45"). That's a risk for a potential signing team, even the Patriots
Skills / body have declined, but not eroded. How quickly will the decline continue?
He's been in 1 system for 20 years. How will he be able to adjust to a new system?
He's become more and more reliant on "his" guys and hasn't been able to really mesh with young and new receivers. How will be mesh with a whole roster of new and young receivers?
He's always been driven by winning. How "close" will a potential team need to be to even have a shot at signing him?
There are reports that he won't take a hometown discount this time. "Discount" is a very subjective term. How much less will he take in order for the signing team to build the best roster?

I recognize that each of these questions needs to be answered by Belichick and Kraft when looking at this situation so it's not super easy for anyone.
My gut tells me that he comes back. I think he'll look at his options and find that they're not much better, if at all, than what he's got here. I cant imagine that Kraft allows any sort of insulting, low ball offer. I really think the Patriots offer will be in line with whatever other offers he gets on the "open market" and with all things being equal, he stays where he's been.
 

DennyDoyle'sBoil

Found no thrill on Blueberry Hill
SoSH Member
Sep 9, 2008
28,478
AZ
I love Brady as much as anyone, and a good argument can be made that he should be signed regardless given all that he has done. However, the question really is, does signing Brady for two years actually postpone the inevitable? Most everyone assumes that is the case and that signing Brady for the next year all but guaranties another two years of championship runs, but that is far from certain based on his play this season. If merely "weapons" and injuries to Brady were the main causes of the huge drop-off in Brady's numbers, then that assumption is fair and signing Brady is the right move. However, if not, then signing such a QB will do nothing but guaranty mediocrity (or worse) and delay the rebuild...that is the question that really only an experienced coach/GM can make.
I didn't express myself very well. What I meant to say is that I'm ok with postponing reckoning day even if the team would be a long shot to win the championship in the next two years.

Most teams are always a long shot to win the Super Bowl. As we've seen, everything needs to break your way. So, even if we take our medicine now and begin the rebuild, it's not like that guarantees anything. I'm skeptical that Stidham is the kind of QB that you need to win a championship (as evidenced by the fact that Bill felt the need to keep 3 QBs despite roster crunches pretty much all year).

So, let's say that we sign Brady for two years and delay the inevitable a couple of years, even though we're likely not going to be the class of the AFC with him. What have we lost really? We've delayed the rebuild a couple of years. And we've used up two years of what might be a limited window of having the greatest coach of all time. These are not nothing.

But we're not going to win the Super Bowl in the next two years without Brady. Of that, I'm very very certain. That we're probably not going to win it with him in the next two years either is also probably pretty close to certain, though the odds are better -- you bet against that guy at your peril. Even so, the upside is that we get to have the greatest of all time wear the jersey and scream let's go 16-20 times a year, and all that. I'm good with that deal.
 

OurF'ingCity

Well-Known Member
Gold Supporter
SoSH Member
Apr 22, 2016
4,083
New York City
My gut tells me that he comes back. I think he'll look at his options and find that they're not much better, if at all, than what he's got here. I cant imagine that Kraft allows any sort of insulting, low ball offer. I really think the Patriots offer will be in line with whatever other offers he gets on the "open market" and with all things being equal, he stays where he's been.
I more or less agree with this. From the Pats' perspective, they are in a "good" place in the sense that Brady will basically make their decision for them. They will give him a very reasonable offer that, while perhaps not the most money Brady could make on the open market, will not be insulting and will be in line with the type of money he has made in past years or maybe a bit more.

Then, it's up to Brady, but the Pats will have paths forward under either scenario. If Brady returns, you try to run it back out there another year or two (while nurturing Stidham and developing other QB succession plans including draft, trade, and free agency) and then when Brady ultimately retires you eat the cap hit, go through a couple of really shitty years and restock the team with higher draft picks while hopefully developing the QB of the future. If Brady doesn't return, you throw Stidham out there (and probably draft another QB flyer in round 3 or later), and either Stidham does well, in which case you now have a cost-controlled QB to build around, or he is mediocre/sucks, in which case the rebuild just begins a few years earlier than it would have if Brady came back.
 
Apr 24, 2019
383
$30M guaranteed is a “NFW” offer? On what planet??
On the planet where the NFL in 2020 lives. He’s not top five anymore, but a two year offer with essentially $15 mill guaranteed for each year is low, no? I’d bet it’s not impossible he could get $30 mill for ONE season.
 

Bernie Carbohydrate

writes the Semi-Fin
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 2, 2001
2,773
South Carolina via Dorchestah
I was wondering what a "not insulting" offer would look like, and found this 2019 chart useful.

Luxury (26-30 mil): Stafford, Rodgers, Cousins, Wilson, Rapeyburger. (Damn, Stafford must have the greatest agent ever.)

Pricey (20-25): Manning (ha!), Newton, Rivers, Brees, Carr, Brady, Winston.

Middle Class (15-19): Mariota, Alex Smith, Jimmy G, Dalton, Ryan.

No reason to go further down, since Brady's cap hit is at 15 million.
 

OurF'ingCity

Well-Known Member
Gold Supporter
SoSH Member
Apr 22, 2016
4,083
New York City
IMO there is no way the Pats offer him less than around $20m guaranteed per year, which is what he made this year and, as BC's list makes clear, anything lower than that truly would be "insulting" because the QBs making less than $20m are a major step below even an aging Brady.
 

DJnVa

Dorito Dawg
SoSH Member
Dec 16, 2010
39,644
I was wondering what a "not insulting" offer would look like, and found this 2019 chart useful.

Luxury (26-30 mil): Stafford, Rodgers, Cousins, Wilson, Rapeyburger. (Damn, Stafford must have the greatest agent ever.)
It's an overpay but Stafford has generally been a pretty good QB. In the last 6 seasons, he never threw more than 13 INTs and in the last 5 full seasons his average year was 25 TD, 11 INTs, 4200 yards, and a rating of 93.0. Until he was hurt this season he hadn't missed a game in 8 years.
 

Deathofthebambino

Drive Carefully
SoSH Member
Apr 12, 2005
32,115
I'm saying 3/75 with 50mil guaranteed and the last year becomes voidable, but spreads out the cap hits. Need to get it done before 3/18, or his cap hit in 2020 will be $38.5mil if he gets 25mil per this time around. He wants a commitment, and can't blame him, and I think the Pats would pull the trigger if he'll accept that. Anything more than that, and you may as well blow it up, because with that schedule next year and the fact that they won't be able to surround him with talent turns them into an 8-8 or 9-7 team. No chance he accepts 20mil per year or less, unless there are some really, really easy to reach incentives in there. Like a 5mil bonus for waking up tomorrow, and another 5mil if the sun comes out in 2021.
 

wilked

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 17, 2005
1,940
I'm saying 3/75 with 50mil guaranteed and the last year becomes voidable, but spreads out the cap hits. Need to get it done before 3/18, or his cap hit in 2020 will be $38.5mil if he gets 25mil per this time around. He wants a commitment, and can't blame him, and I think the Pats would pull the trigger if he'll accept that. Anything more than that, and you may as well blow it up, because with that schedule next year and the fact that they won't be able to surround him with talent turns them into an 8-8 or 9-7 team. No chance he accepts 20mil per year or less, unless there are some really, really easy to reach incentives in there. Like a 5mil bonus for waking up tomorrow, and another 5mil if the sun comes out in 2021.
This feels right to me
 

brandonchristensen

mad photochops
SoSH Member
Feb 4, 2012
25,676
Question from a dumb-dumb...

Does the $15m cap hit have nothing to do with his 2020 salary? Say the Pats get him for 2/50, would it actually cost them 2/65?
 

JimD

Member
SoSH Member
Nov 29, 2001
7,055
Belichick has famously been willing to cut even big-name players when he sees fit, and has just as famously treated Brady as just another player in front of other players to maintain team harmony. I'm not entirely convinced that he is Ok with a multiyear contract unless it is extremely team-friendly in the event that Brady's decline accelerates next season.
 

RedOctober3829

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 19, 2005
42,930
deep inside Guido territory
Question from a dumb-dumb...

Does the $15m cap hit have nothing to do with his 2020 salary? Say the Pats get him for 2/50, would it actually cost them 2/65?
They will have a $13.5 dead cap hit. Depending on whether Brady signs before the 3/17 deadline, it could be spread out over 2 years. Whatever he signs for will be a separate deal on top of the $13.5 million.
 

E5 Yaz

Transcends message boarding
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Apr 25, 2002
63,511
Oregon
The Titans make the most sense to me if he does leave. No long term commitments to Tannehill or Mariota, friendly with Vrabel, strong supporting cast in place on offense, weak-ish division. The biggest knock is probably some of the off field stuff like moving the family or working out some kind of travel schedule with Giselle and his kids.
Reiss this morning was talking this as the most-likely spot:

The Tennessee Titans could offer something no other club can: a coach in Mike Vrabel who is one of Brady's best friends; a Derrick Henry-led power running game (assuming Henry re-signs) to help take the load off Brady in his quest to play until he is 45; and more explosive options at wide receiver and tight end than he currently has in New England. The Titans also have an abundance of cap space at their disposal. So it is hard to imagine a better fit than that, with the caveat of family/personal considerations hovering over any decision. One thing possibly working against Brady with a Titans scenario, however, is that Ryan Tannehill has been excellent since taking over as the starter this year, and the club reportedly has expressed interest in locking up Tannehill long term.
 

Dernells Casket n Flagon

Member
SoSH Member
Mar 24, 2008
4,445
Basically confirmed on social media twenty minutes ago that he's playing again next year.



"I just wanted to say to all of our fans, THANK YOU! After a few days of reflection, I am so grateful and humbled by the unconditional support you have shown me the past two decades. Running out of that tunnel every week is a feeling that is hard to explain. I wish every season ended in a win, but that’s not the nature of sports (or life). Nobody plays to lose. But the reward for working hard is just that, the work!! I have been blessed to find a career I love, teammates who go to battle with me, and an organization that believes in me, and fans who have been behind us every step of the way.

Every one of us that works at Gillette Stadium strived to do their best, spent themselves at a worthy cause, and prepared to fail while daring greatly (h/t Teddy Roosevelt). And for that, we’ve been rewarded with something that the scoreboard won’t show - the satisfaction of knowing we gave everything to each other in pursuit of a common goal. That is what TEAM is all about.
In both life and football, failure is inevitable. You dont always win. You can, however, learn from that failure, pick yourself up with great enthusiasm, and place yourself in the arena again.
And that’s right where you will find me. Because I know I still have more to prove."

You could optimistically read that as Gillette Stadium is the arena that he'll be placing himself in again.
 

BaseballJones

goalpost mover
SoSH Member
Oct 1, 2015
7,865
And it sounds like he wants to be right back here. "I have been blessed to find a career I love, teammates who go to battle with me, and an organization that believes in me, and fans who have been behind us every step of the way." - doesn't sound like a guy who wants to go elsewhere.

Maybe that's just me being hopeful though.
 

Super Nomario

Member
SoSH Member
Nov 5, 2000
12,594
Mansfield MA
And it sounds like he wants to be right back here. "I have been blessed to find a career I love, teammates who go to battle with me, and an organization that believes in me, and fans who have been behind us every step of the way." - doesn't sound like a guy who wants to go elsewhere.

Maybe that's just me being hopeful though.
Did not mention his coaches #clearlyhatesBelichick
 

joe dokes

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 18, 2005
14,212
And it sounds like he wants to be right back here. "I have been blessed to find a career I love, teammates who go to battle with me, and an organization that believes in me, and fans who have been behind us every step of the way." - doesn't sound like a guy who wants to go elsewhere.

Maybe that's just me being hopeful though.
But it's all stated in the past tense. [/HotTakeGrammarSquad]

;)
 

joe dokes

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 18, 2005
14,212
“...an organization that believes in me” isn’t past tense. TB’s post will only fuel more offseason speculation. Grab your popcorn and enjoy the ride...
Obviosuly this is all silly, (although grammar might be more fun than the speculate-a-thon ahead) but doesn't "I have been . . ." put the remainder into the past (or the future into question)?

"I have been blessed with the ability to coherently explain my thoughts, but now I'm a blithering idiot...."
 

JimD

Member
SoSH Member
Nov 29, 2001
7,055
I wouldn't read too much into that statement - I don't doubt that he is being sincere, but it is also tremendously valuable to get the fans on your side. Belichick doesn't give a crap about what the fans think, but Robert Kraft sure does.
 

wade boggs chicken dinner

Member
SoSH Member
Mar 26, 2005
18,630
I was wondering what a "not insulting" offer would look like, and found this 2019 chart useful.

Luxury (26-30 mil): Stafford, Rodgers, Cousins, Wilson, Rapeyburger. (Damn, Stafford must have the greatest agent ever.)

Pricey (20-25): Manning (ha!), Newton, Rivers, Brees, Carr, Brady, Winston.

Middle Class (15-19): Mariota, Alex Smith, Jimmy G, Dalton, Ryan.

No reason to go further down, since Brady's cap hit is at 15 million.
You might want to look at 2020: https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2020/

Neiman Marcus (30-36 mil): Goff, Rapeyburger, Cousins, Wilson

Macy's (24-27): Jimmy G, Ryan, Flacco,

Target (16-22): Foles, Brissett, Carr, Smith, Stafford, Rodgers, Newton, Wentz, Dalton, Brees ($15.9M)

Super Bargain ($2,583,178): Jackson
 

wade boggs chicken dinner

Member
SoSH Member
Mar 26, 2005
18,630
Reiss this morning was talking this as the most-likely spot:

The Tennessee Titans could offer something no other club can: a coach in Mike Vrabel who is one of Brady's best friends; a Derrick Henry-led power running game (assuming Henry re-signs) to help take the load off Brady in his quest to play until he is 45; and more explosive options at wide receiver and tight end than he currently has in New England. The Titans also have an abundance of cap space at their disposal. So it is hard to imagine a better fit than that, with the caveat of family/personal considerations hovering over any decision. One thing possibly working against Brady with a Titans scenario, however, is that Ryan Tannehill has been excellent since taking over as the starter this year, and the club reportedly has expressed interest in locking up Tannehill long term.
If he's willing to live in a city live Nashville, I would think TB would be the best spot. They have a ton of offensive talent and many people don't know that their defense was historically good - Football Outsiders measured TB's run defense as 6th best ever by DVOA and one could only wonder how much better that defense would be without having the offense turn the ball over at least twice a game.

Plus, the warm, humid weather would be better for his old joints and bones. :)
 

Kenny F'ing Powers

posts 18% useful shit
SoSH Member
Nov 17, 2010
10,877

Average Game James

Well-Known Member
Gold Supporter
SoSH Member
Apr 28, 2016
1,597
Wouldn’t closest comp be Brees?
The 2020 number on Brees is a void year, same as how the Pats structured Brady’s deal. His deal was essentially a 2yr, $50mn deal (2018-19 with a void year added in ‘20 for cap purposes, and another in ‘21 added later) with $27mn guaranteed at signing and he was paid the full $50mn over the past 2 years.
 

biff_hardbody

lurker
Apr 27, 2016
196
If the Giants believed they had a shot to win next year with Brady, are they really going to let Daniel fucking Jones get in the way?
 

Harry Hooper

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jan 4, 2002
26,759
If the Giants believed they had a shot to win next year with Brady, are they really going to let Daniel fucking Jones get in the way?
Good question, and they now have someone in house who can provide a very informed assessment of what Brady has left in the tank.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.