2019 Pats: OL Discussion

Super Nomario

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How many players have missed as much time as Wynn has this early in his career and gone on to do anything? He's played maybe 200 total pro snaps, including the preseason, and suffered two major injuries.
 

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How many players have missed as much time as Wynn has this early in his career and gone on to do anything? He's played maybe 200 total pro snaps, including the preseason, and suffered two major injuries.
It's a bit hard to extrapolate, as players have missed their rookie years with injury and have gone on to productive careers. While not analogous, Ben Watson missed quite a bit of time early on his career. Marcus Cannon as well. Folks were writing Gronk off nearly every year.

The turf toe is a random injury event that can happen to anyone, and is completely unrelated to his earlier injury. Most players recover from it without complications. Wynn looked good in live game action, so he'll be given every opportunity. I would be more worried if it was a new Achilles injury, a knee or back, or a concussion. With injuries, the details and nature of the injury really matter; a lot.
 

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It's a bit hard to extrapolate, as players have missed their rookie years with injury and have gone on to productive careers. While not analogous, Ben Watson missed quite a bit of time early on his career. Marcus Cannon as well. Folks were writing Gronk off nearly every year.
None of these players missed close to as much time as Wynn. Watson missed basically his whole rookie year but played 15 games in year two. Cannon started on PUP/NFI (because of cancer, not injury) but played 7 games as rookie and was healthy Y2. Gronk played all 16 games both of his first two years (he did miss his whole final year of college). I'm struggling to think of a positive precedent; more guys like Easley or Senquez Golson come to mind.
 

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None of these players missed close to as much time as Wynn. Watson missed basically his whole rookie year but played 15 games in year two. Cannon started on PUP/NFI (because of cancer, not injury) but played 7 games as rookie and was healthy Y2. Gronk played all 16 games both of his first two years (he did miss his whole final year of college). I'm struggling to think of a positive precedent; more guys like Easley or Senquez Golson come to mind.
Easley had a chronic knee injury, and he did not follow the team's rehab program.

It's entirely possible that Wynn could be an injury-prone bust. I just think it's premature to project that at this stage; there are too many random variables at play when it comes to injuries.
 

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If it doesn't get Brady killed (knock on wood); Wynn's injury may be a blessing. Let's discover what we have for depth/get everyone some reps and then have him come on healthy and strong for the second half.

One downside though is I imagine this makes the likelihood of us seeing Harry this year a bit less. At some point another player is going to hit IR, and WR may be a less pressing need than elsewhere on the team (of course, that could change on a Goodell whim...).
 

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At least Wynn’s IR stint hits during the soft underbelly of the schedule. And the 8 weeks includes the bye, right?

On a related note I’m surprised not to have seen mentioned yet, wtf Russell Bodine? For a moment the rationale for his getting disappeared was he needed a week to pick up the system, but that story’s dated now. Did he do something awful the Pats discovered?

Hasn’t landed anywhere else either. Pissing away a straight sixth rounder (no pick swap) sucks.
 
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On a related note I’m surprised not to have seen mentioned yet, wtf Russell Bodine? For a moment the rationale for his getting disappeared was he needed a week to pick up the system, but that story’s dated now. Did he do something awful the Pats discovered?

Hasn’t landed anywhere else either. Pissing away a straight sixth rounder (no pick swap) sucks.
God, it’d have to be SUPER awful, given the latest parameters. #newrules
 

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On a related note I’m surprised not to have seen mentioned yet, wtf Russell Bodine? For a moment the rationale for his getting disappeared was he needed a week to pick up the system, but that story’s dated now. Did he do something awful the Pats discovered?

Hasn’t landed anywhere else either. Pissing away a straight sixth rounder (no pick swap) sucks.
Two thoughts:
1) They might have planned to flip Ferentz for Bodine after Week 1, but Cannon's injury changed the equation. They didn't dress a true backup T Week 1 (Thuney slid to RT and Eluemunor played LG), but once Cannon got dinged up, it became vital to add a tackle (Newhouse) and dress a true third tackle (Cunningham). That meant Karras' backup really needed to be a guy who could sub at G or C, which is why Eluemunor was inactive and why it made sense to stick with Ferentz over Bodine. Bodine has, from what I can tell, exclusively played center all the way back through college.
2) Bodine stinks and maybe they didn't realize it. They probably did due diligence on him in 2014 (they took Stork six picks before Bodine) and might not have done a good job updating their scouting report in this instance. It happens.

Either way, I'm not sweating a sixth. They haven't had a sixth stick since Karras and Roberts in 2016.
 

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Pats have a T (Dan Skipper who played a LOT during pre-season) and a G (Najee Toran, who spent last year mostly on the 49ers PS, but comes out of UCLA where he started in all 13 games at offensive guard and was named honorable mention All-Pac-12 by the league coaches).
 

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I would try to pry Trent Williams out of the dysfunctional, delusional, short sighted and vindictive mess in Washington DC.

They would probably hang up the phone precisely because he would go from hell to heaven with a good shot at a ring. But I would try.
 

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I would try to pry Trent Williams out of the dysfunctional, delusional, short sighted and vindictive mess in Washington DC.

They would probably hang up the phone precisely because he would go from hell to heaven with a good shot at a ring. But I would try.
I think the issue here is purely about cap space. The only way they could make it happen is by pushing even bigger hits into 2020.
I think the OL is all going to ride on Dante.
 

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I'm not a capolgist, but QnD, I think with bonus money and a boost in guaranteed $$ and a modest extension (ghost years) for Trent Williams, the cap issue can be massaged. It pushes the issue into 2020-21, but IMO its not debilitating. I think the real issue may be giving up the #1+ (Pats drafting at ~ 30-32 may require a sweetner) for an injury prone 31 year old guy.

I'd be inclined to GFIN.
 

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Also, keep in mind the salary is prorated. So, if they were able to make a trade at the deadline in week 8, the salary hit would be around $5m, not $10m.
 

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Newhouse to start at LT against Jets--"Really a smart player" per Dante.
Fwiw, I feel way better about Dante's ability to patch together a decent line with a week of prep. There's a dropoff fromm the starters, by definition, but they can gameplan around the replacements' weaknesses in practice.

We're back to a thin margin, however. Someone else gets dinged mid game, and now the dropoff is substantial again. And the next man up is from even lower on the depth chart.

Call me Chicken Little, but I'm going to light a candle for OL health every weekend until Cannon and Wynn are both back.