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Jokic is getting the Max.

ESPN story on Nuggets filing paperwork to decline Nikola Jokic’s option, setting up 5-year max deal for July.
Nuggets cap situation is, errr, interesting. Milsap has 2 more years at $30M. Plumlee has two more tears at $13 M and $14M. Harris is just starting his extension.

Faried, Chandler, and Arthur are coming off the books this year, which is $32M approximately, but I wonder if DEN is heading into PDX territory.
 

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I don't get it, why would a team decline a cheap 1.6M option only to sign a max deal. Couldn't they have just extended him for 4 years at max to give him the security of a long term contract?

This doesn't make sense to me!
Because extensions are based on the value of an existing contract. First round picks can sign a new contract going into the final year of their rookie deal (so long as the deal is signed before the start of the season), but that does not apply to second rounders, and Jokic was a second round pick.

If Denver picked up the option Jokic would be an unrestricted free agent in a summer when more than half the NBA had space for max contracts (and some of them space for multiple max deals). By freeing him this summer they preserve the right to match any offer made to him so that he can't bamboozer (sic) them.
 

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DeAndre Jordan to Mavs?

That's funny considering the history of the Mavs and DeAndre, especially with regards to this specific contract he is still on. If Lebron was going to commit to the Cavs I also think a DeAndre-Tristan swap does a lot for both sides.

Putting the draft after free agency makes so much sense I can hardly believe they haven't done it yet.
 

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Putting the draft after free agency makes so much sense I can hardly believe they haven't done it yet.
Does the draft process or the FA signing period create the most excitement and attention from the fanbase? Whichever the answer is needs to go last.
 

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Does the draft process or the FA signing period create the most excitement and attention from the fanbase? Whichever the answer is needs to go last.
Depends on the fan base. Teams that are players in FA most likely the fan bases get into that. Teams who stink and are perennial lottery types the fan bases will be more excited for that.
 

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Cuban LOVES paying big money to pure 5's. His history here is legendary.
I wonder if this is Cuban slyly inserting himself into the LBJ sweepstakes? Presuming this were something like a Matthews/picks for Jordan deal he'd still have the cap room to sign James. And you have to think that they could convert Doncic into a legit running mate like George or Leonard.
 

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Does the draft process or the FA signing period create the most excitement and attention from the fanbase? Whichever the answer is needs to go last.
Morey might be, accurately, thinking that if the draft happened a week later that it would enhance the excitement of free agent season by making a lot of FA transactions easier (by making it easier to complete sign & trades).
 

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I wonder if this is Cuban slyly inserting himself into the LBJ sweepstakes? Presuming this were something like a Matthews/picks for Jordan deal he'd still have the cap room to sign James. And you have to think that they could convert Doncic into a legit running mate like George or Leonard.
Due to the protections on the pick owed to Atlanta I don't think they'd be able to trade any first rounders for like seven years. You could possibly swap Barnes in for Matthews, but I don't think he has much trade value either.
 

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Not sure if this deserves a thread, but the 2018 530 CARMELO projections are out:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/our-nba-player-projections-are-ready-for-2018-19/

Kind of grim for us, in that they show Hayward as a barely-above-replacement level player going forward after his injury. Good news is Tatum projects as the 5th most valuable guy in the league over the next 7 years.

Notable is that Jaylen and Kawhi project out to almost the same value over the next 7 years.
 

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In their system, a replacement level SF is good for -1.6 points per 100 possessions. They have Hayward at +1.7. I wouldn't call that barely above replacement level. That is a decent distance bwteen his value and replacement. He is in a similar space as Bradley Beal, or Clint Capela.
 

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Depends on the fan base. Teams that are players in FA most likely the fan bases get into that. Teams who stink and are perennial lottery types the fan bases will be more excited for that.
I was referring to the overall fanbase worldwide to get the most bang for your buck. You always want to have the largest event last so the excitement can build through the initial event.

I don't know the answer only commenting that whatever their metrics say should be the easy way to go.
 

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I wonder if that opens the possibility of the often-rumored, never confirmed whispers of an Otto Porter for Demarcus Cousins trade. The 'Zards have a big opening in the middle now.
 

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The Los Angeles Clippers are trading guard Austin Rivers to the Washington Wizards for center Marcin Gortat, league sources tell ESPN.

1--Doc trades his son
2--DeAndre Jordan is all but gone.

A reminder that we’re cheering for LAC to barely make the playoffs next season or the year after to get their draft pick.
 

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A reminder that we’re cheering for LAC to barely make the playoffs next season or the year after to get their draft pick.
Yup although I am not really expecting much on that front. Next season seems really unlikely but 2019-2020 is possible if they make a big FA splash next summer.
 

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I wonder if that opens the possibility of the often-rumored, never confirmed whispers of an Otto Porter for Demarcus Cousins trade. The 'Zards have a big opening in the middle now.
To put my Bill Simmons dumb-ass but fun trade scenario hat on for a second, they should do this then trade Wall or Beal for Kawhi.
 

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I was referring to the overall fanbase worldwide to get the most bang for your buck. You always want to have the largest event last so the excitement can build through the initial event.

I don't know the answer only commenting that whatever their metrics say should be the easy way to go.
The Draft is an event, FA isn't even if it might heat up late. There are social/institutional ways of thinking about these things... like:

I was on a phone call earlier discussing a future fundraising event that would be connected to a Red Sox game. Having done some things like this before...

You can get people from the fundraiser in the afternoon to the game in the evening and have an amazing cohesive event. Your odds of getting everyone from a game in the afternoon to an evening game are way lower.

It's about social dynamics and flow, yo.
 

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Paul George told OKC he’s opting out and becoming a UFA. So it begins.
This was always the expected result though. Believe his player option was somewhere around $20m so he can still head back to OKC on a $30m one-year deal with a player option.
 

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Paul George told OKC he’s opting out and becoming a UFA. So it begins.
Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account @wojespn 2h2 hours ago
Sources on ESPN: Oklahoma City Thunder star Paul George informs franchise that he is not opting into final year of his contract and will become an unrestricted free agent.

He's rumored to be very undecided. No clear plan as of now.

Also Adam Silver has re-signed:
NBA commissioner Adam Silver has signed a contract extension through 2023-24.
 

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LeBron is waiting for Kawhi. George is waiting for LeBron. And Pop/Buford are probably just leisurely sipping their morning coffee right now while Magic frantically calls.
 

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LeBron is waiting for Kawhi. George is waiting for LeBron. And Pop/Buford are probably just leisurely sipping their morning coffee right now while Magic frantically calls.
I think Ainge is doing roughly the same thing, from a greater position of strength. (although he's probably making a few "I'm here if you want to talk" calls). The Celtics really don't have to make *any* moves. They are adding 2 all stars to a team that lost game 7 of the ECF. Every other team has to do something.
 

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I think Ainge is doing roughly the same thing, from a greater position of strength. (although he's probably making a few "I'm here if you want to talk" calls). The Celtics really don't have to make *any* moves. They are adding 2 all stars to a team that lost game 7 of the ECF. Every other team has to do something.
Yup. Ainge's worst case this summer is a starting lineup of Horford/Tatum/Hayward/Brown/Irving (assuming return to health). He'll poke around to see if the price for Kawhi gets palatable for a rental (it won't) but he's not going to make any drastic moves. Next summer could be different given Kyrie's situation and the fact that the Celtics will have no less than 2 draft picks and potentially as many as 4.

Philly and LA are in completely different spots. LA's entire strategy is riding on this. Philly clearly wants Kawhi but this process could drag out at which point some of their Plan B's may get scooped up by other teams. It's quite possible that Philly chases too long and then the music stops and they're forced to take a couple of Tier 2/3 FAs on balloon 1 year deals.
 

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Being GM of the Lakers is like playing a video game on easy mode.
 

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This was always the expected result though. Believe his player option was somewhere around $20m so he can still head back to OKC on a $30m one-year deal with a player option.
Yeah, the rumor was up until a couple of days ago that he was talking to OKC about a 1+1 deal (to get him to ten year max at the earliest possible date).
 

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I’m told keep an eye on the Orlando Magic in Lakers/Spurs trade talk.
* No point guard.
* 2 expirings in Ross, NV

Lonzo + Aaron Gordon (likely to stay) + J Isaac + Bamba isn’t a bad start
And what does Orlando give back? Do they acquire Lonzo Ball just for expiring contracts? Lonzo Ball also seems very Elfrid Paytonish for a team that just got rid of Elfrid Payton.

edit: In the sense they are poor shooting, good rebounding, good playmaking PGs.
 

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And what does Orlando give back? Do they acquire Lonzo Ball just for expiring contracts? Lonzo Ball also seems very Elfrid Paytonish for a team that just got rid of Elfrid Payton.

edit: In the sense they are poor shooting, good rebounding, good playmaking PGs.
Yeah, I'm not sure I follow that scenario. That is a ton for Orlando to give up for...what exactly?
 

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Lonzo isn't always going to be a child. At some point in the near future, I suspect he'll tell his dad to step back and Lonzo will go on with his adult life.
 

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A mid to late lottery pick is too much to give up for Ball?
Sorry, I read that to be players included in some scenario---after your comment I see it was intended to be a lineup. That makes sense now!

I certainly would give a mid-late lottery pick for Ball, unless I had an unusual roster situation.
 

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For whatever its worth, a friend has some pretty good connections in the 'Zards organization and was told that Cousins is coming to the Wiz. From what I understand about the salary cap, it would have to be either Beal or Porter plus either Oubre or Satoransky as there is a needle to thread because WAS would be hard capped.

But like I said, for what it's worth.
 

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For whatever its worth, a friend has some pretty good connections in the 'Zards organization and was told that Cousins is coming to the Wiz. From what I understand about the salary cap, it would have to be either Beal or Porter plus either Oubre or Satoransky as there is a needle to thread because WAS would be hard capped.

But like I said, for what it's worth.
Makes a lot of sense. Wizards have a big hole in the middle and obviously Cousins/Wall have history. Adding Beal or Porter would be a solid addition for the Pelicans.
 

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Yeah, the rumor was up until a couple of days ago that he was talking to OKC about a 1+1 deal (to get him to ten year max at the earliest possible date).
I'll be stunned if he does this. He'd have to do this two years in a row, or do a 2+1 now, to get to ten years.

Especially for a guy that had a catastrophic injury, I'd expect him to lock in some years. Get that 3+1 at home in LA,
 

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I'll be stunned if he does this. He'd have to do this two years in a row, or do a 2+1 now, to get to ten years.

Especially for a guy that had a catastrophic injury, I'd expect him to lock in some years. Get that 3+1 at home in LA,
As of July 1st 2019 Paul George will be in his tenth season and eligible for the ten year max.