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These guys are pretty good at what they do. (And what's the deal with Westbrook's short-shorts?)
 
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Kyrie's celtics shirt in the 2nd video is pretty cool looking.

Harden has short shorts on too. They are popular with the fashion forward players like Westbrook and Jaylen.
 

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Kyrie's celtics shirt in the 2nd video is pretty cool looking.

Harden has short shorts on too. They are popular with the fashion forward players like Westbrook and Jaylen.
Yeah I can’t find that tee anywhere. It’s possible it’s not a Celtics tee a just a generic Irish one.

Edit: I found it. It’s a Nike running shirt. No longer made.
 
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Yeah I can’t find that tee anywhere. It’s possible it’s not a Celtics tee a just a generic Irish one.

Edit: I found it. It’s a Nike running shirt. No longer made.
How long out of make?

Like, did he go out and get a vintage Celtics t-shirt?
 

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Kyrie's celtics shirt in the 2nd video is pretty cool looking.

Harden has short shorts on too. They are popular with the fashion forward players like Westbrook and Jaylen.
I posted about it at the time but there was a lower ranked team in the NCAA tournament and all the players had really short shorts.
 

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SC30 shooting for better than 74-74 this year.


(Secretly hoping this has some positive effect on his ability to sink threes from 15+ yards out...)
 

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Kyrie's celtics shirt in the 2nd video is pretty cool looking.

Harden has short shorts on too. They are popular with the fashion forward players like Westbrook and Jaylen.
It isn't only that......the short shorts are making a comeback. This past season I know of at least two colleges who rolled them out as a team, Rhode Island and Michigan.
 

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After telling Tristan Thompson he would "Meet in the streets any day," to fight, Draymond ran into Thompson. Unfortunately for Green, he ran into Tristan's fist with his face and needed Lebron and Durant to break it up.

https://bossip.com/1657650/exclusive-tristan-thompson-draymond-green-catch-fade-at-espys-bash-in-la/

https://www.complex.com/sports/2018/07/draymond-green-tristan-thompson-reportedly-brawled-nightclub?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=complexmag&utm_source=twitter.com

Draymond "needing" LeBron and KD to break it up assumes facts not in evidence, lol. Sounds more like Tristan needed Draymond's forbearance and/or LeBron and KD's intercession to avoid an assault charge.
 
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No doubt, and those Tweets are in the article so I'm confused by your post. Also confused by Green's strategy. Trying to be the peacemaker after publicly telling everyone with a camera that the guy should come find you in the off season to fight was a bold strategy.

Maybe he was confused and thought Thompson was a 22 year old college kid.
 

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No doubt, and those Tweets are in the article so I'm confused by your post. Also confused by Green's strategy. Trying to be the peacemaker after publicly telling everyone with a camera that the guy should come find you in the off season to fight was a bold strategy.

Maybe he was confused and thought Thompson was a 22 year old college kid.
Ah, I didn't read the articles — just posted the tweets for brevity and clarity, not to contradict anything that might have been written in the articles.

I dunno, I think it was pretty reasonable for Dray$ to hope that nearly two months removed, cooler heads might prevail and hatchets might be buried. At minimum, I think it's far more gentlemanly to say "I don't accept your damned apology," start rolling up your sleeves, and allow your adversary to do same — as opposed to just hauling off and sucker-punching a dude in the face without warning. Pretty sure the law would have been on Draymond's side too, had he been less cool about it than he was.

I don't know if Draymond thought Thompson was a 22 year old college kid, but I'm pretty sure he knows he's a fairly mediocre basketball player who parlayed his #4 pick status and fortunate closeness to LeBron into a bloated $82M contract while never bothering to hone the basic basketball skills (shooting, passing and dribbling, e.g.) required of a 6'-8" player who wants to earn respect as a player in today's NBA.
 
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Like @reggiecleveland once said here, violence is seen as a valid option for conflict resolution far too rarely these days...

edit: I see SRN is circling the wagons and is prepared to defend His Guy without hesitation, starting with the "he sucks as a player" defense as, presumably, justification. Also Draymond's ugly and his momma dresses him funny, let's just stipulate that.
 

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Ah, I didn't read the articles — just posted the tweets for brevity/clarity, not to contradict anything that might have been written in the articles.

I dunno, I think it was pretty reasonable for Dray$ to hope that nearly two months removed, cooler heads might prevail and hatchets might be buried. At minimum, not being an expert in these matters, I think it's far more gentlemanly to say "I don't accept your damned apology," start rolling up your sleeves, and allow your adversary to do same — as opposed to just hauling off and sucker-punching a dude in the face without warning. Pretty sure the law would have been on Draymond's side too, had he been less cool about it than he was.

I don't know if Draymond thought Thompson is a 22 year old college kid, but I'm pretty sure he knows he's a fairly mediocre basketball player who parlayed his #4 pick status and closeness to LeBron into a bloated $82M contract while never bothering to hone the basic basketball skills (shooting, passing and dribbling, e.g.) required of a 6'-8" player who wants to earn respect as a player in today's NBA.
No worries, I wouldn't read Bossip either ;)

Doesn't seem like a sucker punch. He clearly saw that Thompson wanted no part of his apology, but persisted. Basketball skills have nothing to do with anything, but your unfettered defense of anything Warriors is noted, especially for a fourth banana who would be a nobody on any other team. This wasn't a pick up game, so who is better at basketball isn't a debate. Green is a bully. Sometimes bullies get punched in the face. This was one of those times. Draymond is real quick to throw fists at college kids, but when it's a grown adult that he's literally told to come see him to fight in the summer time, he's just a dude trying to make amends? That dog won't hunt.

Finally, NBA off seasons are the best off seasons.
 

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Like @reggiecleveland once said here, violence is seen as a valid option for conflict resolution far too rarely these days...

edit: I see SRN is circling the wagons and is prepared to defend His Guy without hesitation, starting with the "he sucks as a player" defense as, presumably, justification.
Haha, no, that was a footnote, not the actual case.

The actual case is pretty open and shut, no? One dude punched the other in the face without physical provocation.
 

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fourth banana who would be a nobody on any other team.
Lol. I'll recuse myself on the incident now, but your (seeming?) ignorance of how games are won and lost in the NBA is also noted.

Fwiw, Draymond NBA rank by RPM, last three seasons: #2, #4, #18.
 
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Lol. I'll recuse myself on the incident now, but your (seeming?) ignorance of how games are won and lost in the NBA is also noted.

Fwiw, Draymond NBA rank by RPM, last three seasons: #2, #4, #18.
You're citing RPM but I'm ignorant? Yea, you probably should step back here, super fan.

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TT didn't actually punch Draymond. If Draymond and all these other idiots out there actually took a kinesiology course they'd understand how a body works. TT simply doesn't have strong enough core muscles to stop his fists from hitting Draymond in the face. It's science.
 

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TT didn't actually punch Draymond. If Draymond and all these other idiots out there actually took a kinesiology course they'd understand how a body works. TT simply doesn't have strong enough core muscles to stop his fists from hitting Draymond in the face. It's science.
 

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You're citing RPM but I'm ignorant? Yea, you probably should step back here, super fan.

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Wait, what’s wrong with a stat that once had Amir Johnson and Jae Crowder in the top 21 in the same year?
 

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I’m perplexed by this and have no idea how I would explain it to my children which leads me to believe that the correct course of action was not to throw a sucker punch.
If your kid is playing pickup basketball at recess and gets into a scuffle where the other kid says to meet him after school, then the other kid wins the game and refuses to shake your kid's hand, then the other kid goes on the intercom for morning announcements and calls your kid soft in front of the whole school, then the other kid tries to apologize to your kid at a school dance to impress his crush and improve his social reputation, it's ok for your kid to punch the other kid in the face.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

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You're citing RPM but I'm ignorant? Yea, you probably should step back here, super fan.
Obviously RPM is not the be-all, but I didn't think you wanted a dissertation, and in this case it's also shorthand for common knowledge among objective, sentient fans who have watched the NBA since the Warriors benched David Lee for Draymond in 2014-15 and wrecked the league. Any number of other stats tell the same story; if anything RPM's boxscore adjustment undervalues Draymond's actual contributions to wins. Since "fourth banana who would be a nobody on any other team" claim flies in the face of the critical consensus (SI #10 ranked player in the NBA, WaPo #11, ESPN #10 e.g.) as well as pretty much every piece of statistical evidence we have over the last four seasons, it seems like the burden's on you to support it, not on me to give you something you like better than RPM.

Anyway, I think more likely were just talking playful trash than that you actually believe Draymond would be "a nobody on any other team," but if you have some evidence to support your claim, I'm all ears.
 
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Guys, guys, let's talk about what really matters; true shooting percentage.

Tristan Thompson TS% last five seasons: .528, 580, 611, .594, .569.

Draymond Green TS% last five seasons: .498, .540, .587, .522, .556.
 

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Guys, guys, let's talk about what really matters; true shooting percentage.

Tristan Thompson TS% last five seasons: .528, 580, 611, .594, .569.

Draymond Green TS% last five seasons: .498, .540, .587, .522, .556.
TS% matters — a lot— when your primary role is scoring. It's the most basic measure of how efficiently a scorer uses his possessions (double it to get pts per 100 possessions).

When your primary roles are defense, rebounding and/or passing, and you're taking only 5-10 shots a game, it's a lot less important. It's kinda like how we don't care that much about a pitcher's OPS, even in the NL.

Bill Russell career TS%: .471.

(Pretty sure you understand all this, though?)
 
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Haha, no, that was a footnote, not the actual case.

The actual case is pretty open and shut, no? One dude punched the other in the face without physical provocation.
No provocation my ass--not even the Supreme Court accepts that defense in a situation like this.

Dude blows through a stop sign, he risks getting hit.
 

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Haha, no, that was a footnote, not the actual case.

The actual case is pretty open and shut, no? One dude punched the other in the face without physical provocation.


(If you've seen the movie... think about it. What's going on in this scene? And think about the badge.

Is the shooting legal or not?)
 

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Obviously RPM is not the be-all, but I didn't think you wanted a dissertation, and in this case it's also shorthand for common knowledge among objective, sentient fans who have watched the NBA since the Warriors benched David Lee for Draymond in 2014-15 and wrecked the league. Any number of other stats tell the same story; if anything RPM's boxscore adjustment undervalues Draymond's actual contributions to wins. Since "fourth banana who would be a nobody on any other team" claim flies in the face of the critical consensus (SI #10 ranked player in the NBA, WaPo #11, ESPN #10 e.g.) as well as pretty much every piece of statistical evidence we have over the last four seasons, it seems like the burden's on you to support it, not on me to give you something you like better than RPM.

Anyway, I think more likely were just talking playful trash than that you actually believe Draymond would be "a nobody on any other team," but if you have some evidence to support your claim, I'm all ears.
I still love you. Definitely just some playful ribbing since there aren't many opportunities to poke fun at the Warriors.

I do think Dray is a talented player, and obviously he wouldn't be a nobody on another team. I do think his value is inflated given that he plays with a handful of future Hall of Famers. Had he been drafted by the Bucks, I don't think he ever becomes the player he is today. That's true of most athletes though. Circumstances allow them to emphasize their strengths and mask their weaknesses. I also have a soft spot for instigators (as long as they aren't playing the C's), but I do find joy in the bully getting some comeuppance.
 

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I love Draymond, but I don't think that there's a jury that would convict in this case. Not even in northern CA.

Sometimes you have to cash one of those checks that your mouth wrote.
 

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TS% matters — a lot— when your primary role is scoring. It's the most basic measure of how efficiently a scorer uses his possessions (double it to get pts per 100 possessions).

When your primary roles are defense, rebounding and/or passing, and you're taking only 5-10 shots a game, it's a lot less important. It's kinda like how we don't care that much about a pitcher's OPS, even in the NL.

Bill Russell career TS%: .471.

(Pretty sure you understand all this, though?)
I was joking.
 

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I'm pretty sure he knows he's a fairly mediocre basketball player who parlayed his #4 pick status and fortunate closeness to LeBron into a bloated $82M contract while never bothering to hone the basic basketball skills (shooting, passing and dribbling, e.g.) required of a 6'-8" player who wants to earn respect as a player in today's NBA.
I'm pretty sure he knows what his right hand tastes like too.
 

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I still love you. Definitely just some playful ribbing since there aren't many opportunities to poke fun at the Warriors.

I do think Dray is a talented player, and obviously he wouldn't be a nobody on another team. I do think his value is inflated given that he plays with a handful of future Hall of Famers. Had he been drafted by the Bucks, I don't think he ever becomes the player he is today. That's true of most athletes though. Circumstances allow them to emphasize their strengths and mask their weaknesses. I also have a soft spot for instigators (as long as they aren't playing the C's), but I do find joy in the bully getting some comeuppance.
All fair points (and I love you too). I think how effective Draymond would be on another team is an interesting question — off the top of my head, I think the Clippers, Thunder, Rockets, Spurs and Blazers teams that the Warriors have coldly dispatched over the last four years would have been massively improved by his presence. But like all counterfactuals it's essentially unknowable (try as we might we adjusted plus-minus); and as you note, most athletes in team sports are similarly context-dependent.
 

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I'm pretty sure he knows what his right hand tastes like too.
Given the reports he didn't go down, probably pretty mild? I'm actually coming around to "Draymond was pretty much asking for it" but alas, it sounds like Tristan's sucker-punching skills are about as effective as his dribbling, shooting, and passing skills. :)
 
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Draymond can only land punches when he is aiming for LeBron's nutsack.
 

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Given the reports he didn't go down, probably pretty mild? I'm actually coming around to "Draymond was pretty much asking for it" but alas, it sounds like Tristan's sucker-punching skills are about as effective as his dribbling, shooting, and passing skills. :)
As reflected in a low True Punching Percentage: he can't land a decent blow even with the advantage of surprise.