2016 NFL Coaching Carousel

[Super Nomario]

On (1), there is the somewhat unique situation of none of the openings having the first pick in the draft, only 2 have a top 5 pick. In addition, none of the QBs coming out right now looking like franchise QBs. WITH THAT SAID.... there is a LONG way to go before these things start to get more definitive. This year's crop still has to go through the senior bowl and other evaluations. I personally think that Watson can be a top third of the league NFL QB, but a lot of the draft evaluators have him, Kizer and Trubisky as reaches in the first round and definitely reaches in the top 10......but who knows. I loved Dak Prescott to the Eagles in the middle of the first round last year and Mark Schofield thought he sucked. I would like to remind everyone of that forever. (NB: Mark did a really nice job evaluating the other QBs in the draft last year and will probably do so this year as well).

Yeah, I don't know much about this QB draft class other than what most people have heard (it's not great), but there are some unusually good options that might be in the trade and free agent class: Jimmy Garoppolo, Tony Romo, Tyrod Taylor, A.J. McCarron, Colin Kaepernick, maybe even guys like Jay Cutler or one of Sam Bradford / Teddy Bridgewater. None of these guys is a slam dunk, but usually the pool is like Ryan Fitzpatrick and Matt Moore. I can imagine someone seeing Jacksonville's receiving corps and thinking they can build a pretty good O quickly after trading for Garoppolo or McCarron.

3) Is tough. I think you can say that about all of the options available, even Denver. Does Elway think that Lynch is the QB of the future? Would you ever want to work with Doug Whaley in Buffalo? Jacksonville may have the most stable and acceptable situation with Caldwell, but how much faith do you have in him? Holy Moley, San Diego and Jacksonville aren't buying houses in their respective cities. I absolutely agree that Snead is not a GM who you are jacked and pumped to work with......I just don't know if that is a huge differentiator for any team.

This is fair. Dysfunctional teams are hiring more than most. Jacksonville was patient with Bradley, at least, and Elway's shown he can build a winner. I don't love any of the other situations.

 

[Stitch01]

So you would rather walk into:

Blake Bortles (although with $64MM in cap space) and a team with a ton of holes
Paxton Lynch/Trevor Symien pu-pu platter with John Elway as your boss, in a division with the Raiders and the Chiefs
Tyrod/EJ/homeless guy pu pu platter with $25MM in cap space, although playing in a division that, in 2-3 years, might be winnable with a 5-11 record.
The Phillip Rivers decline in a division with the Raiders and Chiefs,

than LA because a guy played mediocrely in 7 games playing for a dead team, under a horrible coach, behind a line that was appalling??

I'm not sure you have thought this one through. There is, to me, no cause for QB optimism in any of the other situations (unless you look at Lynch and think he could be great, which would not be unreasonable.....but if Lynch then why not Goff?). At all.

Yes, if Im not a Goff fan. He's not a lock bust after 7 games or anything, but calling his play so far mediocre is really charitable. He shouldnt have been on the field, FO has him as the worst QB in the league by a pretty good margin and that's pretty much what he looked like. Now, its early, Im sure there are coaching candidates that like Goff. For them, LA is reasonably attractive.

If Im taking the Bills job its probably with the idea of keeping Taylor

 

[coremiller]

Yes, if Im not a Goff fan. He's not a lock bust after 7 games or anything, but calling his play so far mediocre is really charitable. He shouldnt have been on the field, FO has him as the worst QB in the league by a pretty good margin and that's pretty much what he looked like. Now, its early, Im sure there are coaching candidates that like Goff. For them, LA is reasonably attractive.

If Im taking the Bills job its probably with the idea of keeping Taylor

Even that might be underselling it. There's a good argument he had one of the worst rookie QB seasons ever:

http://www.footballperspective.com/comparing-the-rookie-seasons-of-jared-goff-and-ryan-leaf/#more-31699

Of course some of the guys on that list still ended up being solid players or better (Bert Jones, Alex Smith, Bradshaw, McNabb, Eli, Aikman, Stafford), so all hope is not lost. But Goff was really dreadful.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

This is fair. Dysfunctional teams are hiring more than most. Jacksonville was patient with Bradley, at least, and Elway's shown he can build a winner. I don't love any of the other situations.

I think Jacksonville's a good situation. Khan is a patient owner who doesn't meddle. Giving Bradley four years would indicate that a new coach would get plenty of time to implement his system without having to worry about being canned after 2 years. I think Bortles is a workable QB (will someone please get him a QB mechanics guy?) and they have cap room to address some of their holes.

 

[Conigliaro's Potential]

Aye, #1 is the rub, innit? Also, seeing that drive Romo put together in Philly really drove home the point that I've always maintained about Prescott: he doesn't really stretch the field. Granted, the Cowboys don't really need a vertical passing game but there will be times when it would be nice to air it out to back safeties the fuck off the line of scrimmage (the game in NY being the perfect example). This worries me going forward and it will be on full display in the playoffs. As diverse as the Dallas offense is, that's one element that just isn't there and it will be their undoing. So, yeah, though I have come to terms with Romo being gone as a foregone conclusion, I'm not really on board with it unless it comes with a Herschel Walker-type deal.

Garrett's quarterback usage on Sunday was fascinating. It's clear to me that he wanted to give Romo some reps without creating an obvious QB controversy with Prescott, but the only way he could safely do that was by giving Romo only one series and then bringing Sanchez in for the majority of the game. (If Romo throws 2-3 INTs in 3-4 series, that would have the same effect, but I said "safely".) I bet he would love to have given Romo a full half of action, but if Romo did better than Prescott, I think that could have created a no-win situation ahead of the divisional round next week. As it happens, even the one successful drive might be enough to increase the whispers around Prescott to the point where he's less likely to play well against the Giants or Packers (or, if the Cowboys are really lucky, the Lions)...this media hype will likely only increase over the next few weeks, which is probably the biggest reason I'm bearish on the Cowboys in the playoffs.

 

[PedroKsBambino]

A few thoughts on this:

1) I am still not 100% convinced that the Cowboys are dealing Romo. I would be interested in whether you think they would deal Romo if the Cowboys go out in their first playoff game with Dak really struggling. In my opinion - and I could well be wrong - if the Cowboys go with Dak in the first half and he puts them in a hole from which Romo can't recover in the second half, but Romo does play well and makes it close (I realize that this is a specific scenario, but I would be surprised if the Cowboys were to go down 2 scores in the first half and Romo were to not come in. The "Dak throws three INTs and has a fumble" scenario seems unlikely to me in the playoffs. I think Garrett will have a quick hook......but you never know), I see the Cowboys working to keep Romo as they develop Dak. What do you think?

I suspect Romo is still a better qb than Prescott.

But, the cap is a big piece of this---Romo at $20 mil vs Prescott at short money and spending that excess money elsewhere is almost surely the optimal asset deployment. So while I agree with you the above is scenario is possible this year, it's tough to bench Prescott next season pr-wise and also tough value-wise to get comfortable with it. So it feels unlikely they keep Romo---who has almost no incentive to restructure either given job uncertainty in Dallas

 

[j-man]

Denver is basic a 2-man race between shanny and joseph

 

[pdaj]

Denver is basic a 2-man race between shanny and joseph

The way Wade Phillips has had that (very) talented defensive unit playing the past couple years, I thought Elway would lead more towards the offensive side (Shanahan) in replacing Kubiak, especially with having two young QB on the roster, but there's been a lot of smoke with Joseph.

Apparently VJ played ball with Matt Russell, Denver's Director of Player Personnel. If Vance ended up getting the job, does Wade Phillips stay? Would seem to be too many cooks in the (defensive) kitchen. Plus, Wade's contract is up.

This article seems to think Wade would be more likely to stay with a Joseph hire, but I remain skeptical:

https://predominantlyorange.com/2017/01/03/vance-joseph-reportedly-leader-broncos-hc-job/

Another huge factor here is that Joseph has a good relationship and respect for Denver Broncos defensive coordinator Wade Phillips, who is a free agent on the coaching market. Phillips has helped orchestrate one of the best defenses in recent memory. Joseph said Phillips has had the greatest impact on his coaching career:

“I would say Wade Phillips. Good, bad or indifferent, he was the same person every day. I never had a bad day with Wade. We won 13 games the first year in Houston, we won 12 games the second year and we won just two games the third year and he was the same person. He never wavered. His philosophies never changed. His standards never changed. I have so much respect for that man.”

If Joseph were to be hired in Denver, it would certainly bode well for their chances of also retaining Wade Phillips…

 

[j-man]

i just read on PFT that hireing Joseph wouild mean Wade is Out http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/05/report-vance-joseph-wouldnt-keep-wade-phillips/

 

[Rick Burlesons Yam Bag]

Firing Wade Phillips seems to be the primary symptom of an organization which overestimates its talent on the field. Man I would take him as my D.C. Any day of the week. I honestly believe that he is the best Defensive coordinator not named Bill Belichick of the last 30 years.

 

[Winger 03]

He lost out on the job in WAS - I could see them going after Wade if he gets fired in DEN. But would he take it after getting rejected last time around.

Firing Wade Phillips seems to be the primary symptom of an organization which overestimates its talent on the field. Man I would take him as my D.C. Any day of the week. I honestly believe that he is the best Defensive coordinator not named Bill Belichick of the last 30 years.

 

[Oil Can Dan]

Firing Wade Phillips seems to be the primary symptom of an organization which overestimates its talent on the field. Man I would take him as my D.C. Any day of the week. I honestly believe that he is the best Defensive coordinator not named Bill Belichick of the last 30 years.

You really think more highly of him as DC than Jim Johnson or Dick LeBeau? Bud Carson and Buddy outside the 30 year timeframe? I like Wade too but I'd choose any of them before him.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

You really think more highly of him as DC than Jim Johnson or Dick LeBeau? Bud Carson and Buddy outside the 30 year timeframe? I like Wade too but I'd choose any of them before him.

Phillips' record as a DC is pretty incredible, really. His uneven stints as a head coach seem to cast a shadow over his defensive work, but he's really fantastic as a coordinator.

 

[joe dokes]

Firing Wade Phillips seems to be the primary symptom of an organization which overestimates its talent on the field. Man I would take him as my D.C. Any day of the week. I honestly believe that he is the best Defensive coordinator not named Bill Belichick of the last 30 years.

Totally agree on Phillips, who has also had success with several different teams.

 

[sodenj5]

i just read on PFT that hireing Joseph wouild mean Wade is Out http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/05/report-vance-joseph-wouldnt-keep-wade-phillips/

It just seems to make more sense in hiring Shannahan and retaining Phillips. You strengthen the weaker half of your team with a really good offensive mind and you maintain continuity and a high level of coaching on the defensive side, which one year ago played at historic levels. Why gut the whole thing and start over?

 

[Super Nomario]

Phillips' record as a DC is pretty incredible, really. His uneven stints as a head coach seem to cast a shadow over his defensive work, but he's really fantastic as a coordinator.

His head coaching record is not even that bad. He went .500 two years in Denver (though they did get better two years after he left under Shanahan), was 10 games over .500 in Buffalo (who hasn't made the playoffs since he left), and was 12 games over .500 in Dallas (they played better with Garrett down the stretch but it took a few years to make the playoffs again). He's made the playoffs in all three of his HC gigs. Statistically, that's like in the top 20% of expected outcomes in hiring a head coach.

 

[coremiller]

Phillips' record as a DC is pretty incredible, really. His uneven stints as a head coach seem to cast a shadow over his defensive work, but he's really fantastic as a coordinator.

Phillips' work as a head coach gets underrated because he didn't win in the playoffs, but he's over .500 for his career and made the playoffs 5/9 seasons at three different teams.

EDIT: Yeah, what Super Nomario said.

 

[Rick Burlesons Yam Bag]

You really think more highly of him as DC than Jim Johnson or Dick LeBeau? Bud Carson and Buddy outside the 30 year timeframe? I like Wade too but I'd choose any of them before him.

I do, although I think both of those guys were amazing. The Broncos defense last year was obviously his masterpiece, but he has done a pretty amazing job everywhere he has gone, and if I remember correctly, every defense has declined after he has gone. I was very disappointed when the Eagles hired.......I don't even remember who....at the same time that Phillips was available after his release from the Cowboys. I thought it was the perfect situation.

Bud Carson was an excellent defensive coordinator, but in truth, I think that defense was as incredible as it was because Buddy Ryan is one of the of the most incredible evaluators of football horseflesh, but in particular defensive horseflesh, ever to walk the planet. I think you could make a case that Buddy was better than Wade though. Innovative guy whose defenses were ready to run through brick walls for him.

 

[dcmissle]

Phillips' work as a head coach gets underrated because he didn't win in the playoffs, but he's over .500 for his career and made the playoffs 5/9 seasons at three different teams.

EDIT: Yeah, what Super Nomario said.

+1.

And because he is not Jeff Fisher, who Peter King was fixin' to get a gold jacket until it all became too embarrassing even for Peter King.

Wade is not a flashy, self aggrandizing prick who leaks to the media. So he is underrated.

 

[Rick Burlesons Yam Bag]

His head coaching record is not even that bad. He went .500 two years in Denver (though they did get better two years after he left under Shanahan), was 10 games over .500 in Buffalo (who hasn't made the playoffs since he left), and was 12 games over .500 in Dallas (they played better with Garrett down the stretch but it took a few years to make the playoffs again). He's made the playoffs in all three of his HC gigs. Statistically, that's like in the top 20% of expected outcomes in hiring a head coach.

If you will permit me a tangent.....

Wade Phillips is, to me, a classic case of what I call "The Charlie Weis syndrome." There is very little more horrifying to me than Charlie Weis nearly dying on an operating table getting bariatric surgery because everyone was telling him that he was too fat to get an NFL head coaching job. But it's true, there is a certain "look" to NFL coaches that has to be met. They can't be too fat, they have to look intense and they have to look like they don't give a shit what you think about them. Wade Phillips is borderline too fat and he doesn't have a look of intensity, he has a thoughtful look on his face, which is perceived as weak.

His dad put on a great show on the sidelines, but Wade just doesn't. He is the classic case of a guy who gets hosed for all the wrong reasons. If I owned the Eagles I would immediately install him as my DC, pay him $25MM a year, give him his own personal hooker(or cadre thereof) and tell whatever head coach I had not to worry about the defense, just focus all your attention on the offense. In related news, I would be an awesome owner of the Eagles. Kind of a hybrid of DBK and Jerry Jones.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

Rex had no problem getting hired twice in spite of being fat, and he even stupidly had his lap band taken out this year.

Maybe Wade should have gotten an interest in feet.

As for looking intense, that's true to a point, although Jim Caldwell (who I think has turned out to be a pretty good coach) looks borderline catatonic on the sidelines.

 

[coremiller]

I do, although I think both of those guys were amazing. The Broncos defense last year was obviously his masterpiece, but he has done a pretty amazing job everywhere he has gone, and if I remember correctly, every defense has declined after he has gone. I was very disappointed when the Eagles hired.......I don't even remember who....at the same time that Phillips was available after his release from the Cowboys. I thought it was the perfect situation.

Bud Carson was an excellent defensive coordinator, but in truth, I think that defense was as incredible as it was because Buddy Ryan is one of the of the most incredible evaluators of football horseflesh, but in particular defensive horseflesh, ever to walk the planet. I think you could make a case that Buddy was better than Wade though. Innovative guy whose defenses were ready to run through brick walls for him.

I'll make a case for Phillips being better than Ryan -- he's adapted his defensive principles with the times. The 46 defense was awesome in its time, but it would never work now because teams figured out the proper adjustments, namely, abandoning 2-back formations. There's a reason nobody uses the 46 anymore in its original form anymore.

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

If you will permit me a tangent.....

Wade Phillips is, to me, a classic case of what I call "The Charlie Weis syndrome." There is very little more horrifying to me than Charlie Weis nearly dying on an operating table getting bariatric surgery because everyone was telling him that he was too fat to get an NFL head coaching job. But it's true, there is a certain "look" to NFL coaches that has to be met. They can't be too fat, they have to look intense and they have to look like they don't give a shit what you think about them. Wade Phillips is borderline too fat and he doesn't have a look of intensity, he has a thoughtful look on his face, which is perceived as weak.

His dad put on a great show on the sidelines, but Wade just doesn't. He is the classic case of a guy who gets hosed for all the wrong reasons. If I owned the Eagles I would immediately install him as my DC, pay him $25MM a year, give him his own personal hooker(or cadre thereof) and tell whatever head coach I had not to worry about the defense, just focus all your attention on the offense. In related news, I would be an awesome owner of the Eagles. Kind of a hybrid of DBK and Jerry Jones.

I fail to see how Wade Phillips has gotten hosed during his time in the NFL. He has had steady work as a DC or head coach for 35 years (not many people can say that), has had three different head coaching gigs during that time, and is now pretty much at the end of the line, turning 70 next year. He has been widely viewed within the league as a top tier DC.

 

[Rick Burlesons Yam Bag]

I fail to see how Wade Phillips has gotten hosed during his time in the NFL. He has had steady work as a DC or head coach for 35 years (not many people can say that), has had three different head coaching gigs during that time, and is now pretty much at the end of the line, turning 70 next year. He has been widely viewed within the league as a top tier DC.

Pretty much every time he has been fired has been a mistake by the team making the decision. A case could be made that the Cowboys didn't make a terrible decision firing him as a head coach, but he was fired at the height of Jerry Jones' insanity vis a vis on the field personnel.

 

[Rick Burlesons Yam Bag]

I'll make a case for Phillips being better than Ryan -- he's adapted his defensive principles with the times. The 46 defense was awesome in its time, but it would never work now because teams figured out the proper adjustments, namely, abandoning 2-back formations. There's a reason nobody uses the 46 anymore in its original form anymore.

But the 46 was an adaptation of his original defenses. Yes, the 46 doesn't work any more for the most part, but it was an incredible defense when Buddy was running it. In addition, Buddy was also an incredible leader of defensive personnel. He brought in the right people for his systems, he treated them in a way that inspired them and he did a good job with carrots and sticks. One problem he had as a Head Coach was that he couldn't use some of the same tools that a DC can to inspire players as a HC.

Plus.....you know.....he was awful at anything to do with offense. Godawful really.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

Because he hated offense and offensive players with a passion. Not a trait one needs to be a successful HC.

 

[Shelterdog]

Firing Wade Phillips seems to be the primary symptom of an organization which overestimates its talent on the field. Man I would take him as my D.C. Any day of the week. I honestly believe that he is the best Defensive coordinator not named Bill Belichick of the last 30 years.

I wonder if there's something to that. Denver's sucess was propelled by three great drafts in a row 2010-20120--two under Elway--but the talent base has been getting older and smaller as they lose prople in free agency and they haven't had particularly good drafts. I'm not quite sure what they should be doing differently--perhaps you do need to stretch to keep a guy like Jackson because there aren't a lot of guys you're going to want to resign in free agency in the next few years-but they're going to have to do something reasonably dramatic if they want to situtate themselves as true SB contenders in coming years and they just haven't done so post Montana.

 

[Bosoxen]

Pretty much every time he has been fired has been a mistake by the team making the decision. A case could be made that the Cowboys didn't make a terrible decision firing him as a head coach, but he was fired at the height of Jerry Jones' insanity vis a vis on the field personnel.

I could not possibly disagree with this statement more. The golden age of Jerry's insanity was 1999-2002 (aka, the Dave Campo era). Yes, the 2009 draft (which was the first in the Garrett regime) was a disaster of epic proportions but it pales in comparison to the 2000 and 2001 drafts. There was also the Roy Williams trade but even it wasn't as bad as the Joey Galloway trade.

Honestly, I think some of the wackiness of the personnel moves in that 2008-2010 window was due to the subsequent changing of the guard. I suspect there were too many cooks in the kitchen at that point, leading to the roster looking so uneven. There was no such excuse at the turn of the century. That was just textbook piss-poor roster management.

 

[NortheasternPJ]

There was also the Roy Williams trade but even it wasn't as bad as the Joey Galloway trade.

I forgot how bad that trade was. The Seahawks turned that into Shaun Alexander and Koren Robinson (who was pretty good for awhile), not a bad return at all. Trading 2 first rounders for any WR is insanity.

 

[Rick Burlesons Yam Bag]

Because he hated offense and offensive players with a passion. Not a trait one needs to be a successful HC.

Hey, no one's perfect.

 

[Rick Burlesons Yam Bag]

I could not possibly disagree with this statement more. The golden age of Jerry's insanity was 1999-2002 (aka, the Dave Campo era). Yes, the 2009 draft (which was the first in the Garrett regime) was a disaster of epic proportions but it pales in comparison to the 2000 and 2001 drafts. There was also the Roy Williams trade but even it wasn't as bad as the Joey Galloway trade.

Honestly, I think some of the wackiness of the personnel moves in that 2008-2010 window was due to the subsequent changing of the guard. I suspect there were too many cooks in the kitchen at that point, leading to the roster looking so uneven. There was no such excuse at the turn of the century. That was just textbook piss-poor roster management.

I think we are talking shades of gray at this point. In my opinion, Wade Phillips struggled to be more successful as a HC because of the roster that Jerry had constructed and because of his bizarre and insane roster construction philosophies that were in place at that time. Maybe it wasn't the apex....but shit was it terrible.

 

[Bosoxen]

I think we are talking shades of gray at this point. In my opinion, Wade Phillips struggled to be more successful as a HC because of the roster that Jerry had constructed and because of his bizarre and insane roster construction philosophies that were in place at that time. Maybe it wasn't the apex....but shit was it terrible.

Sure, the degree of difficulty was higher but I really don't think the roster was the primary reason why he was fired. If anything, the presence of the heir apparent on the coaching staff had more to do with it than the roster.

 

[Rick Burlesons Yam Bag]

Sure, the degree of difficulty was higher but I really don't think the roster was the primary reason why he was fired. If anything, the presence of the heir apparent on the coaching staff had more to do with it than the roster.

That is probably true. I just feel the guy got hosed.

 

[amfox1]

http://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/Source-49ers-are-Josh-McDaniels-preferred-team-10841023.php

Josh McDaniels’ preferred team is the 49ers if the Patriots’ offensive coordinator decides to leave New England to become a head coach, a source said.

The 49ers, who are the only team with a general-manager opening, are appealing to McDaniels because of their clean-slate situation and CEO Jed York’s stated commitment to patiently rebuilding.

ESPN analyst and former NFL executive Louis Riddick, who reportedly will interview with the 49ers next week, has been an avid fan of McDaniels on social media. Riddick and McDaniels also have strong ties to New England head coach Bill Belichick. Riddick, 47, played for Belichick for three seasons during his six-year NFL playing career. McDaniels has spent 13 of his 16 seasons in the NFL with Belichick.

Riddick said Monday on air that York’s stated approach to rebuilding makes the 49ers an attractive destination and that he would take the job.

 

[Van Everyman]

Rappaport is reporting that Bill O'Brien could be gone if the Texans lose this weekend.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000770753/article/coachneedy-teams-are-waiting-to-learn-status-of-bill-obrien?campaign=Twitter_atn

While he suggests that O'Brien will be a hot coaching candidate based on the fact he won two titles in the dumpster fire AFC South, I'm not so sure I agree. I wonder whether he'd be another candidate for replacing McDaniels at OC – tho there hasn't been any buzz to that effect.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Rappaport is reporting that Bill O'Brien could be gone if the Texans lose this weekend.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000770753/article/coachneedy-teams-are-waiting-to-learn-status-of-bill-obrien?campaign=Twitter_atn

While he suggests that O'Brien will be a hot coaching candidate based on the fact he won two titles in the dumpster fire AFC South, I'm not so sure I agree. I wonder whether he'd be another candidate for replacing McDaniels at OC – tho there hasn't been any buzz to that effect.

I think the Texans have overachieved with BOB. The problem is obviously no QB. You can't put the full blame on him for that.

 

[Jnai]

The problem isn't "no QB" so much as that the team is committed to a player that the coach doesn't believe in. I can see him being fired simply for disagreeing with ownership / the GM on Osweiler, who at this point looks like the world's most expensive backup.

 

[soxhop411]

“@AdamSchefter: Busy day today for Patriots OC Josh McDaniels, who is interviewing for HC jobs with Jaguars, Rams and 49ers.”
“@AdamSchefter: Also a busy day today for Patriots’ DC Matt Patricia, who is interviewing for HC jobs with the Chargers and Rams.”

 

[tims4wins]

Hope to see neither in the AFC but at least SD is a different division

 

[Rick Burlesons Yam Bag]

Hope to see neither in the AFC but at least SD is a different division

Really? I get why both are getting interviews, but given how the Belichick coaching tree has generally done, and given that:

a) McDaniel was very much not a good head coach, although maybe second time is a charm.

B) I'm not even sure Patricia is a great coordinator. The Patriot D is pretty good, but not great. 16th in the league in DVOA. And he DCs under a guy who is probably the greatest D.C. Of all time. Romeo Crennel was, to me, a better D.C. And he struggled as a HC.

I get why people don't want them to leave the Patriots. They work pretty well in this system. But - and this is one man's opinion maybe - I don't view either of them as being the second coming of Bill belichick.

 

[tims4wins]

I think they are the most likely to succeed of all the BB disciples on each side of the ball. YMMV.

 

[Papelbon's Poutine]

Really? I get why both are getting interviews, but given how the Belichick coaching tree has generally done, and given that:

a) McDaniel was very much not a good head coach, although maybe second time is a charm.

B) I'm not even sure Patricia is a great coordinator. The Patriot D is pretty good, but not great. 16th in the league in DVOA. And he DCs under a guy who is probably the greatest D.C. Of all time. Romeo Crennel was, to me, a better D.C. And he struggled as a HC.

I get why people don't want them to leave the Patriots. They work pretty well in this system. But - and this is one man's opinion maybe - I don't view either of them as being the second coming of Bill belichick.

A) I think his first go as a head coach was premature and they definitely shouldn't have given him so much control/input on the GM side. I do think he would actually do better after some time maturing and if he had someone like Caserio with him (as is rumored).

B) agreed and I've stated as such in the other thread. I don't think this defense is anything great and I don't think Patricia is anything to worry about losing, except for continuity's sake.

 

[mauf]

I think Jacksonville's a good situation. Khan is a patient owner who doesn't meddle. Giving Bradley four years would indicate that a new coach would get plenty of time to implement his system without having to worry about being canned after 2 years. I think Bortles is a workable QB (will someone please get him a QB mechanics guy?) and they have cap room to address some of their holes.

Khan is hands-off and patient, but he's heading into Year 5 with Caldwell as his GM. The new coach needs to make big strides in the next two years or else Caldwell is going to get fired, and I can't imagine Khan won't give his new GM free rein to bring in a new coach. Also, Caldwell probably will make you spend your first year trying to fix Blake Bortles.

 

[snowmanny]

I am giddy about Pagano supposedly staying in Indy. What a craptastic franchise.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/96237132/

 

[amfox1]

Jason Cole ‏@JasonColeBR 5m5 minutes ago
Increasing talk that Josh McDaniels and Louis Riddick are actually tied to each other for a coach/GM pairing with #49ers being the spot.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

I am giddy about Pagano supposedly staying in Indy. What a craptastic franchise.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/96237132/

31 other teams love this news. All is well!!!

 

[tims4wins]

Apparently Caserio turned down SF interview

 

[heavyde050]

Apparently Caserio turned down SF interview

That is great news for the Pats.
Really hope he stays with the NEP.
I agree with the line of thought that losing him would be worse than losing both coordinators.

 

[pappymojo]

Rappaport is reporting that Bill O'Brien could be gone if the Texans lose this weekend.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000770753/article/coachneedy-teams-are-waiting-to-learn-status-of-bill-obrien?campaign=Twitter_atn

While he suggests that O'Brien will be a hot coaching candidate based on the fact he won two titles in the dumpster fire AFC South, I'm not so sure I agree. I wonder whether he'd be another candidate for replacing McDaniels at OC – tho there hasn't been any buzz to that effect.

If they lost to the Raiders he would deserve to be fired.

 

[koufax32]

Khan is hands-off and patient, but he's heading into Year 5 with Caldwell as his GM. The new coach needs to make big strides in the next two years or else Caldwell is going to get fired, and I can't imagine Khan won't give his new GM free rein to bring in a new coach. Also, Caldwell probably will make you spend your first year trying to fix Blake Bortles.

He has specifically said that a new coach would not have to be married to Bortles as his QB. Caldwell's words, not mine.