2015 Offseason: Non-Revis Edition

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Does the source literally mean literally because it would be interesting as hell if they were shopping Brees.
I bet the source is teasing it, and trying to have it both ways. The Brees stuff the past two days provides guilty pleasure, but you don't talk about it at cocktail parties. Weasels.
 

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Wow. Stills is a talent to be sure....
 
And he is super cheap, which means you're probably looking at a 3rd rounder or so, but it may be worth it. If they'd take the Talib comp pick (assuming comp picks are tradeable), I'd do that in a heartbeat.
 

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They aren't tradeable.  Not going to be much difference between that and the Pats own 3rd rounder anyways though.
 

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I would like Stills too, though given the current roster, I'd rather swap a 3 or 4 for Keenan Lewis.
 

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I like Bush on cheap dollars, but who are we going to get to play the 6-8 games that he misses with injuries? And I'm being serious.
 
In the last 4 years, Vereen played in 42 games. In the last 3 years, Bush has played in 41.
 
 
I get your point of course, but guys get hurt. He wouldn't be replacing Cal Ripken here.
 

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I would like Stills too, though given the current roster, I'd rather swap a 3 or 4 for Keenan Lewis.
 
 
Get both!
 
Seriously. Call them up, see what it would take.
 

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Reggie would be a fantastic change of pace back in this offense. I'm surprised there's no talk of Tyler Gaffney when talking about RBs on the roster. Right now its Blount, Bolden, White, Gray and Gaffney.
 

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Why are they signing Browner then? What is going on in NO?
 
Looks to me like two things.  First, and most obviously, a housecleaning. Second, as to Browner, have to imagine they like idea of him setting a different tone for the defense/being a leader---I can't imagine another reason you'd sign him for that much money.
 

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E5 Yaz said:
 
Reiss chatting, this was part of the into:
 
Mike
The name I'm keeping on eye as the next domino to fall for the Patriots is RB Reggie Bush. Makes a lot of sense to potentially fill the significant Shane Vereen void. Great fit in this offense.

 
 
 
Corsi said:
From Mike Reiss's most recent chat:
 
The name I'm keeping on eye as the next domino to fall for the Patriots is RB Reggie Bush. Makes a lot of sense to potentially fill the significant Shane Vereen void. Great fit in this offense.
 
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/51649/patriots-with-mike-reiss
 
Noted for posterity. A first for me
 

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dcmissle said:
Chip's regime brooks no dissent; that's not a criticism, just an observation. Sproles made some critical remarks when Shady was sent packing.

Just as BB reportedly has a Harvin itch, I have a Sproles itch. Always loved him, and he'd be a terror in our offense. But not getting hopes high.
Sort of a better version of Danny Woodhead with better speed.
 

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I haven't seen much of Reggie Bush as a pro, but I don't think of him as any special pass-catching back.  Am I wrong about that?
 

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He caught 88 balls his rookie year, and he's been good for 40-50 lately. FootballOutsiders considers him average to below-average last few years. I would think it would be a total scouting decision if they thought his playstyle could be better utilized with Brady in this offense versus Matt Stafford, Ryan Tannehill and Matt Moore throwing him the ball the previous four years. I think I'd rather have Pierre Thomas (or Percy Harvin) or just see what they have with White/Gaffney in that pass-catching role.
 

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I haven't seen much of Reggie Bush as a pro, but I don't think of him as any special pass-catching back.  Am I wrong about that?
 
That is pretty much what he has been his entire career.  He needs to operate in space, you don't' want him running between the tackles.
 

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Whoever is in that role has to block a little also.  I wouldn't think Harvin would be signed as a Vereen replacement.  And Harvin supposedly wants to be assured that he's being signed to be more of a traditional WR rather than a swiss army knife type player.
 

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I don't understand, but if true there are a lot of guys that would interest me. Akiem Hicks, Terron Armstead, and I'd take a shot at Cameron Jordan and Kenny Vaccaro too.
 
They aren't ponying up 7 million for a 4th DE/OLB type (5th if they keep Mayo and use Hightower in the role), but I agree with the rest of your list.
 

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Ed Hillel said:
 
They aren't ponying up 7 million for a 4th DE/OLB type (5th if they keep Mayo and use Hightower in the role), but I agree with the rest of your list.
I see Jordan as more of a 3-4 DE who can kick inside to DT on passing downs. I don't think his skill set is redundant.
 

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Super Nomario said:
I see Jordan as more of a 3-4 DE who can kick inside to DT on passing downs. I don't think his skill set is redundant.
 
Yeah, but how many snaps would that get with the current personnel grouping?  If they're going to spend that kind of money, I assume they'd just look to lock up Knighton for long-term.
 

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One thing to consider regarding the Saints is that next year's QB draft class is supposed to be deeper than this year's. Getting a better draft choice could lead to a Brees replacement
 

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Yeah, but how many snaps would that get with the current personnel grouping?  If they're going to spend that kind of money, I assume they'd just look to lock up Knighton for long-term.
I think Jordan would play a lot, because I think Jordan would probably be the best DL they have. But it's probably fair to say those snaps would come at the expense of someone(s) they've invested quite a bit in.
 

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Bummer. I thought Ayers was solid for the Pats last year. Big contributor to the championship.
 

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Bummer. I thought Ayers was solid for the Pats last year. Big contributor to the championship.
They just signed a better player to take his spot.
 

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This link talks about the Vikings possibly moving Cordarelle Patterson: http://www.dailynorseman.com/2015/3/12/8205235/report-minnesota-vikings-attempting-to-move-cordarrelle-patterson
 
Their frustration is that he can't pick up the offense, which of course likely means he wouldn't be a fit in NE. However, the article also mentions that this offseason, Patterson was going to spend some time working out with Troy Brown: http://vikingsterritory.com/2015/rumors/rumor-troy-brown-the-guy-mentoring-cordarrelle-patterson
 
Just thought it was interesting.
 

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This link talks about the Vikings possibly moving Cordarelle Patterson: http://www.dailynorseman.com/2015/3/12/8205235/report-minnesota-vikings-attempting-to-move-cordarrelle-patterson
 
Their frustration is that he can't pick up the offense, which of course likely means he wouldn't be a fit in NE. However, the article also mentions that this offseason, Patterson was going to spend some time working out with Troy Brown: http://vikingsterritory.com/2015/rumors/rumor-troy-brown-the-guy-mentoring-cordarrelle-patterson
 
Just thought it was interesting.
So then we could bring him in as a db.
 

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This link talks about the Vikings possibly moving Cordarelle Patterson: http://www.dailynorseman.com/2015/3/12/8205235/report-minnesota-vikings-attempting-to-move-cordarrelle-patterson
 
Their frustration is that he can't pick up the offense, which of course likely means he wouldn't be a fit in NE. However, the article also mentions that this offseason, Patterson was going to spend some time working out with Troy Brown: http://vikingsterritory.com/2015/rumors/rumor-troy-brown-the-guy-mentoring-cordarrelle-patterson
 
Just thought it was interesting.
 
If he can't pick up the Vikes offense how is he possibly going to pick up the Pats offense?
If they cut him perhaps you take a look as a return man but if he can't play special teams he would be of no value to the 2015 Pats.
 

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https://twitter.com/RavensInsider/status/576385914651455488
 
That's frustrating. Now I don't know what the can do at CB to field a good group.
 

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Traymon Williams or Perrish Cox would help at least stabilize the group and would not cost too much compared to the other corners that have signed. 
 

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I would have liked him but he really wouldn't be embraced here because of his views. I wonder how DC will feel about his views on Gay Teammates.
It was a one-off. Shoud be fine if that's the end of it.
 

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That's understandable.
 
 
I'm starting to wonder if BB has any real interest in Evan Mathis, or if he's just trying to help Kelly and hurt the Dolphins. I believe that the rumors started with the Dolphins trying to trade for Mathis, then we heard the Pats were interested, next it was close to done, and now nothing for 20 hours. Maybe Chip asked BB to help leverage more out of the Dolphins when they wouldn't close the deal, and BB has no real interest in Mathis?
 

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That's frustrating. Now I don't know what the can do at CB to field a good group.
I think there are a few possibilities, some unsatisfying, some risky, but some that could produce an acceptable secondary. For instance:

1) McCourty back to CB: The PFW guys talked about this. I'm not really a fan, as I think it takes the one very good player in our secondary away from his best position, but it's a possibility. Still, I think Chung/Harmon/Wilson would be a more acceptable pairing at S than Butler/Ryan/Arrington/Dennard(?) would be at CB.

2) Unsexy veteran -- Mathis, Carlos Rogers, etc. I think these guys have value, especially in limited roles/specific schemes where they aren't asked to do too much. I'm thinking of someone like Otis Smith, who had a great '01 season as a 36-year-old with the Pats. There are also the notable flops -- Shawn Springs, etc.

3) Draftee (PJ Williams from FSU?). It's a weak class according to everyone, but there's a real chance someone will turn out to be good, right?
 

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Yes, sorry, I included that in the other thread but forgot it here.

The Saints are doing weird stuff and have 15sh DBs on their roster, so something has to give.

I also think a team like the Chiefs needs to shed salary, and given Reid & BB's history there could be a match.
 

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1) McCourty back to CB: The PFW guys talked about this. I'm not really a fan, as I think it takes the one very good player in our secondary away from his best position, but it's a possibility. Still, I think Chung/Harmon/Wilson would be a more acceptable pairing at S than Butler/Ryan/Arrington/Dennard(?) would be at CB.
They used him in man coverage more in 2014, in passing situations moving him to the box (usually against TEs) with Harmon deep. And he's played whole games at CB as recently as the last couple weeks of the 2012 season. But on the other hand, they put in Butler on the biggest play of the season rather than leave McCourty in and shift him to CB. I think plan A will be to cycle through the CB options with McCourty as S and only shift him if nothing's working.
 
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2) Unsexy veteran -- Mathis, Carlos Rogers, etc. I think these guys have value, especially in limited roles/specific schemes where they aren't asked to do too much. I'm thinking of someone like Otis Smith, who had a great '01 season as a 36-year-old with the Pats. There are also the notable flops -- Shawn Springs, etc.

3) Draftee (PJ Williams from FSU?). It's a weak class according to everyone, but there's a real chance someone will turn out to be good, right?
I think a combo of 2 and 3 makes sense.
 
I just wrote up a profile on Kevin Johnson from Wake Forest for ITP. He's not really a fit for the kind of press-man scheme they were running last year, but he's good in off-man and in zone and he's got good size (6'0", though with just 31" arms). He killed the Combine - just a 4.52 40, but top five in all the jumping and agility drills. I think a lot of the draft sites have him as more of a second-rounder but I don't think he'd be a stretch at #32.
 
I also wanted a chance to post my favorite clip of his, something I couldn't really fit in the article. He's not a great run defender, but this was a nice play (takes on a block from the RG, keeps edge, and helps on tackle):
 
 

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MillarTime said:
No thanks on Bethel Patterson.
Assuming he is doing anything on behalf of the Pats, isn't it less likely that Troy Brown is teaching Patterson the offense than gauging whether he has the ability to pick it up?