2014 FA: Building 19 Opened for Bizzness
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RT @RavensInsider: Patriots have maintained interest in LeGarrette Blount throughout free agent process.RedOctober3829 said:
https://twitter.com/cpriceNFL/status/447061725662416896
I agree with this statement. Vernon Gholston is the very defintion of a bust or a miss with no sacks in his nfl career. As mentioned upthread Chandler Jones has had double digit sacks in his career. So I guess since he does not have 35 sacks already, he must be a bust. We must have some tough standards on this board. Unreal.RedOctober3829 said:
Like Eck wrote above, it was one person and it was a mistake made by a good poster. It happens. Do we really need this many posters to pile on?
What's next? A post in the BBTL thread decrying the excess fanboyism of Pats fans generally?
And while Jones is clearly not a miss, he hasn't been the success that his early production in each season suggested he might be. To me, he's a player who has shown flashes of greatness, still has a lot of promise and hopefully will do whatever he needs to do to produce more consistently.
What's next? A post in the BBTL thread decrying the excess fanboyism of Pats fans generally?
And while Jones is clearly not a miss, he hasn't been the success that his early production in each season suggested he might be. To me, he's a player who has shown flashes of greatness, still has a lot of promise and hopefully will do whatever he needs to do to produce more consistently.
TheoShmeo said:
He was injured in the second half of his rookie year and pretty consistsent last year (6.5 sacks first 8, 5 second half), especially given that he had to deal with more double teams with Wilfork out. That said, he definitely still has room to improve, and probably will, especially if they can start generating pressure from other areas to free him up a bit.
Agreed very much with your first point. Didnt mean to start a pile on with my initial comment.TheoShmeo said:
Your criticism of Jones is somewhat fair. PFF liked him as a run defender and disliked him as a pass rusher. That seems wierd, although it does look to me it looks like he needs a little bit more variety/refinement to his pass rushing moves. Its also pretty evident that he was forced to play way too many snaps last year which makes him a little harder to evaluate as I think he's hard to compare him to guys that could come in on third down fresh and rested to rush the passer.
Steelers had 2 million in cap space this morning. Adding Lance Moore means they can't have much to offer Blount.
I figure they're kicking tires and seeing if they can drive up his price to the Patriots, call it Sanders Part Two, Payback. Both Blount and MJD have come through Pittsburgh recently for visits, which is a little odd considering their known cap situation. Perhaps some rumble because of Munchak's hiring to bring the offensive line to it's potential, but otherwise maybe just posturing to drive up prices.mpx42 said:
Is there anyone here that would give an offer > 1 million per year to any of the 2014 free agent RBs left (maybe Moreno)? I bet the Pats draft a RB in the 4th or 5th round. I feel for these guys but that position is where teams save money now.KiltedFool said:
BigSoxFan said:
I appreciate that and I hope what I wrote didn't come off as attacking you.
I am trying to make the point that Daniel Graham's hands were good enough for what he was and that Gronk/Jimmy Graham have changed the expectations of a TE (and specifically, a TE's hands). For example, Daniel Graham's hands were better than Kyle Brady's hands - and Brady was drafted higher in the first round several years before Graham. Aside from Ozzie Newsome and Kellen Winslow Sr., there just were not many TEs who were known for their hands or primarily for their contributions to the passing game. The position has literally been revolutionized by players like Jimmy Graham/Gronk/Killer Hernandez and the new dynamic passing attacks.
Daniel Graham was not a "miss" - he was a solid football player who contributed mightily to team success and (looking at his draft class) his draft position.
I think soxfan is saying that these stud receiving TEs have become way more prevalent, not that Mike Ditka the football player didn't exist.
It just struck me as odd to say that Jimmy Graham has revolutionized the TE position. It would be like saying Andrew Luck revolutionized the QB position.
I would be more comfortable stating that the Tight End has evolved into two positions - a more traditional player on the offensive line that had blocking responsibilities (and Graham was a very good representation of this position) and a receiver/red zone specialist in the Gonzalez and Gates mold. Those are the guys that I think revolutionized the position.
Gronk of course is a superhero that embodies both the traditional lineman and the more glamorous red zone target.
I would be more comfortable stating that the Tight End has evolved into two positions - a more traditional player on the offensive line that had blocking responsibilities (and Graham was a very good representation of this position) and a receiver/red zone specialist in the Gonzalez and Gates mold. Those are the guys that I think revolutionized the position.
Gronk of course is a superhero that embodies both the traditional lineman and the more glamorous red zone target.
from the Vince thread, but answering here:
If you're not in that thread, it moved into Moreno not having signed so far with Miami and rumors he may sign with NE. I just have to say I agree 100% with SMU on this. Much as Blount contributed, I think the Pats were really hurt last year by having too many one-dimensional backs. Ridley's not much of a pass catcher, either, and for the hurry-up offense it's essential you have guys like Gronk at TE who can either be part of the run game or pass game and similarly with a RB or 2.
(P.S.: can I just add that the Mallett jokes have been old and tired for about a month now?)
SMU_Sox said:
If you're not in that thread, it moved into Moreno not having signed so far with Miami and rumors he may sign with NE. I just have to say I agree 100% with SMU on this. Much as Blount contributed, I think the Pats were really hurt last year by having too many one-dimensional backs. Ridley's not much of a pass catcher, either, and for the hurry-up offense it's essential you have guys like Gronk at TE who can either be part of the run game or pass game and similarly with a RB or 2.
(P.S.: can I just add that the Mallett jokes have been old and tired for about a month now?)
E5 Yaz said:
Coming hot on the trail: "GET IT DONE DANNY" in non-Celtic forums. I was just an offender of that.
Looks like the Eagles are planning to have a sucky USC QB collection with the signing of Mark Sanchez. Maybe they can pick up Leinart too. Cassel and Palmer will cost them something.
hahahahah. Enjoy Flacco and that 8-8 record again next year champ.
Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter2h
Ravens HC John Harbaugh said he was "disappointed" at the moves the Broncos and Patriots made this off-season. "It disturbed me," he said.
Also in the conversation about the offseason
hahahahahaha.
Good job Ravens. Keeping that "Ray of Light" tradition going strong.
Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter2h
Ravens HC John Harbaugh said he was "disappointed" at the moves the Broncos and Patriots made this off-season. "It disturbed me," he said.
Also in the conversation about the offseason
hahahahahaha.
Good job Ravens. Keeping that "Ray of Light" tradition going strong.
Stitch01 said:
Wow. That's quite a statement from another head coach.
I mean, we've enjoyed the Patriots moves, but hearing the leader of another team respond with, "Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck" is a whole different level. And it's awesome.
Edit: And Flacco has the same cap hit this year as Brady.
Reverend said:
About 10-15% higher, actually.
Oh man oh man, look at that Flacco contract. The dead money is hilarious:
2014: 38.2 million
2015: 36.4 million
2016: 25.85 million
2017: 15.3 million
http://overthecap.com/cap.php?Name=Joe%20Flacco&Position=QB&Team=Ravens
He's basically uncuttable until 2017, and even then he'll be taking up probably 10% of their cap should he get cut. But Ozzie had to do it, I say. Had to!
I was disturbed by the Ravens trading Anquan Boldin to the Niners for a sixth-round pick last year.
He was more of a Sweetleaf, no? I don't believe he was ever regarded as much of a blocker.drleather2001 said:
I don't remember him being hyped as a blocker either, but Hernandez' main strength was his versatility (also not something Shockey was known for). Shockey was a hyped as a deep threat who could run through and over the secondary, which is Gronk's main strength, too.
Corsi said:
Somewhere Danooo is shedding a tear.
Not surprised he stayed in the division. I feel sorry for whoever the QB of the Vikings is next year.
Eck'sSneakyCheese said:
Not for that contract. I suspect the Seahawks went with the Michael Bennett 2013 offseason offer (1 year, $5M, maybe a little more) and thought he really didn't have many options and Allen's agent probably shopped around hard to give him a total package that could let Allen save face after turning down other offers.
Per Rotoworld
Dolphins agreed to terms with RB Knowshon Moreno, formerly of the Broncos, on a one-year contract.
Related: Broncos
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter
Mar 27 - 3:07 PM
Love this move for the Fins.
Dolphins agreed to terms with RB Knowshon Moreno, formerly of the Broncos, on a one-year contract.
Related: Broncos
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter
Mar 27 - 3:07 PM
Love this move for the Fins.
This lowers the price for Blount. He's going to come in the $1-$2 million range. This also sets the market for MJD.
RedOctober3829 said:
I was thinking the same thing. I'd be just fine bringing Blount back at that price. The Pats can also add a quality back in the 3rd/4th round if they want to add a more versatile option.
ElcaballitoMVP said:
In that scenario, do you cut Bolden or just wait until next year to draft a RB?
I think I wait until the 2015 draft for RB.
pdaj said:
I love the move as well.
Not so much because I was sold on Moreno, but because it shows a deft handling of the market by Hickey.
Letting the market come to him and winding up with a player like Moreno, getting him for one year in what should still be his "prime" is the type of competent move I haven't been used to seeing form this team.
Not to mention, worst-case-scenario (outside of horrible injury) - Moreno is a 3rd down back that the team can trust and currently needs.
Even if they draft a stud RB, there's no guarantee that guy would be able to contribute well in both pass blocking and receiving.
Obviously it would be an overpay if that turns out to be the case, but again, due to it being one year it's not going to be something that cripples the team. And a reliable guy in that role is not always the easiest thing to find.
It's dangerous to wait because all of the RBs currently on the roster are entering the last year of their contract. I wonder if they are going to sign MJD to a multi-year contract and use 2014 as a competition to see which one of Ridley or Vereen does the best this year and decide who to keep at the end of the season.Dogman2 said:
RedOctober3829 said:
I'd agree that there is some risk to wait but it occurs to me that using a 3rd/4th rounder on a RB this year may well be plugging a hole that doesn't yet and may not exist. Like you said, Sign MJD (or Blount) this year and pick one of Ridley/Vereen with Bolden playing the 3rd/4th back/ST option after the season. Then, use a 3rd/4th next season on a RB.
Dogman2 said:
I think a guy like Jeremy Hill could be an upgrade over Bolden, so if he's around in the 4th round, I'd be fine with targeting a guy like that. The Pats could also get creative with a smaller back like D'Anthony Thomas or Dri Archer, so it all depends on how they want to fill the position.
I don't want them using an early pick on a RB, and even the 3rd round is a bit early, but I'd be fine with them using one of their 4ths on a RB.
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