2014 49ers: Harbaugh's Pleated Pants Parade

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While there is a thread to talk about Colin Kaepernick's legal issues, and the most recent Aldon Smith incident, there is no thread about the NFC West runner-ups.
 
Aside from Kaepernick's off-field problem, the 49ers have to decide on his future with a contract extension. Or are they really in the Blaine Gabbert business?
 
Tim Kawakami says the 49ers are discussing their options  on Smith and:
 
troubled linebacker Aldon Smith hasn’t only lost the benefit of the doubt, he probably won’t play for the 49ers in 2014.
 
 
Smith, as you will recall, has had an eventful off-field career, being charged with three felony counts of weapons violations, being stabbed at a party and being found at the scene of a one car, one tree accident where he was charged with driving under the influence and possession of weed. He then missed a portion of the season while in treatment for addiction. 
 
Can the 49ers trade Smith? I doubt it - who wants that litany of Goodell suspension worthy offenses? Can the 49ers just make him disappear? Is Smith, a fabulous talent, going to get it together in SF or elsewhere or never?
 

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The aricle I read also mentioned his bad work ethic at practices, workouts, etc. He could be even better than the best he's put out there already. What a waste.
 
The team has seemingly gone from kings to the 06 Bengals.
 

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I'm not sure how much stock I'd put into that report.  The only reasons I can see him not playing in 2014 are 1) he's in jail, 2) he's in rehab, 3) the league suspends him.  The Niners aren't going to release him or leave him on the bench just to take a moral stance.  If they tried to trade him, every team in the league would be beating down their door to get him.  Regardless of his off field issues, cost-controlled elite pass rushers are a rare commodity and Smith is undoubtedly elite.  
 
And let's wait before someone actually gets convicted of something before we start comparing them to the 06 Bengals.  So far Kaepernick hasn't even been charged and it's not yet clear he actually did anything wrong.
 

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Well, given that Harbaugh has no problem dissing teams (i.e., Seattle) for any issues their players have, I don't see why it's not fair game to point out that the 49ers have their own set of issues.
 

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Well, given that Harbaugh has no problem dissing teams (i.e., Seattle) for any issues their players have, I don't see why it's not fair game to point out that the 49ers have their own set of issues.
 
Didn't Harbaugh's cracks relate to Seattle's PED issues?  That's not quite the same thing, since it goes to the integrity of the on-field competition.  But I see your point, the Niners have not exactly been covering themselves in glory this off-season, and Harbaugh can be sanctimonious.  I just think it's a real stretch to compare them to the 2006 Bengals, who had nine different players either arrested or suspended that year, some of them (like Chris Henry) multiple times.  So far the Niners have had three players arrested this year; of the three, the charges against Dan Kilgore (for public intoxication) have already been dropped, while Chris Culliver has pled not guilty to misdemeanor hit-and-run charges and felony possession of brass knuckles and Smith yet to be charged with anything arising out of the LAX fiasco.  Kaepernick hasn't yet been arrested or even (AFAIK) considered a suspect.  Obviously things could get a lot worse if the Miami investigation turns up evidence of sexual assault but that hasn't happened yet.
 

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I'm not sure how much stock I'd put into that report.  
 
If they tried to trade him, every team in the league would be beating down their door to get him.  Regardless of his off field issues, cost-controlled elite pass rushers are a rare commodity and Smith is undoubtedly elite.  
 
1. Kawakami is a good reporter. Not every scoop he gets turns out true but he certainly has the sources and credibility to not fling crap against a wall. Someone in the 49ers organization told him this. Whether they told him it simply to make sure Smith heard it in the press (and thus deliver another message to the player) is certainly a possibility.  
 
2. There is no trade market for Aldon Smith right now. When "right", he's an elite talent. He ain't right, now. Trade him for a 4th (the price for a suspended Talib two years ago) and if he gets right, the 49ers look like idiots. Ask for his "right" value and get laughed at. Teams just aren't going to take the risk and pay a premium to do it. 
 
3. The reports of Smith being intoxicated at the airport have got to be what is scaring the 49ers. He already missed a significant part of the season and wasn't the same afterward because of rehab. If he has relapsed, it might be in their (and his ) best interests to send him back to rehab, or, suspend him if he doesn't comply with the team proscribed treatment. They absolutely CAN do that. 
 
My opinion here is informed by how the 49ers handled the initial DUI incident (i.e. playing him less than 48 hours later) and the subsequent fallout from that decision. Looking for a conspiracy theory on when the Harbaugh/FO-Baalke relationship went south? This is a good guess - when Harbaugh played the guy who 48 hours earlier had driven into a tree while hopped up on goofballs. York's statement in the aftermath of that game would seem to support the idea that the organization is going to make more responsible, defensible decisions about Aldon Smith than they did when he hit the tree or got stabbed or got those felony weapons charges. 
 
Being intoxicated and saying bomb at the airport is proof that Smith isn't right and the 49ers have a big problem to deal with, somehow.
 

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1. Kawakami is a good reporter. Not every scoop he gets turns out true but he certainly has the sources and credibility to not fling crap against a wall. Someone in the 49ers organization told him this. Whether they told him it simply to make sure Smith heard it in the press (and thus deliver another message to the player) is certainly a possibility.  
 
2. There is no trade market for Aldon Smith right now. When "right", he's an elite talent. He ain't right, now. Trade him for a 4th (the price for a suspended Talib two years ago) and if he gets right, the 49ers look like idiots. Ask for his "right" value and get laughed at. Teams just aren't going to take the risk and pay a premium to do it. 
 
3. The reports of Smith being intoxicated at the airport have got to be what is scaring the 49ers. He already missed a significant part of the season and wasn't the same afterward because of rehab. If he has relapsed, it might be in their (and his ) best interests to send him back to rehab, or, suspend him if he doesn't comply with the team proscribed treatment. They absolutely CAN do that. 
 
My opinion here is informed by how the 49ers handled the initial DUI incident (i.e. playing him less than 48 hours later) and the subsequent fallout from that decision. Looking for a conspiracy theory on when the Harbaugh/FO-Baalke relationship went south? This is a good guess - when Harbaugh played the guy who 48 hours earlier had driven into a tree while hopped up on goofballs. York's statement in the aftermath of that game would seem to support the idea that the organization is going to make more responsible, defensible decisions about Aldon Smith than they did when he hit the tree or got stabbed or got those felony weapons charges. 
 
Being intoxicated and saying bomb at the airport is proof that Smith isn't right and the 49ers have a big problem to deal with, somehow.
 
I think sending a message to Smith through the press is exactly what's going on.  Kawakami is being used, and he probably knows it, but it gets him traffic for his "scoop" so he doesn't care.  If Smith is able to play (i.e. in rehab, in jail, or suspended), there's practically no chance the Niners refuse to play him.  If he is in rehab, jail, or suspended, then the Niner FO's opinion on whether he should play is irrelevant.  The Niners aren't going to bench him to teach him a lesson or to take a moral stance. 
 

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49ers draft:
 
1(30) Jimmie Ward S/CB
2(57) Carlos Hyde RB
3(70) Marcus Martin C
3(77) Chris Borland LB
3(100) Brandon Thomas OL
4(106) Bruce Ellington WR
4(129) Dontae Johnson CB
5(150) Aaron Lynch DE
5(170) Keith Reaser CB
6(180) Kenneth Acker CB
7(243) Kaleb Ramsey DE
7(245) Trey Millard FB
 
Plus they traded a 2015 conditional 4th to Buffalo for WR Stevie Johnson while picking up a 2015 4th from Denver.
 
No immediate stars here, but they added quite a bit of talent and fleshed out depth where they needed it (secondary, WR).  I like Ward a lot.  I'm not a huge fan of the Hyde pick, just because they now have five tailbacks: Gore, Lattimore, Kendall Hunter, LaMichael James, and Hyde.  At least one of Hunter or James probably gets traded.  But Hyde gives them a power dimension none of the other guys have, which Harbaugh will like, and he'll probably be the short yardage back (replacing Anthony Dixon there).  Martin will compete for the center job since incumbent Jonathan Goodwin is not coming back and seems like very good value in Round 3.  Borland is a little athletically limited and I don't think he has the speed in coverage to be a full-time starter but he's strong and smart and hits hard, and he may play some at MLB until Bowman gets healthy, he was a dominant college player.  Thomas will be redshirted like they did with Lattimore and Carradine this year, but he has the potential to be a real steal if his knee heals properly.  And Ellington gives them some speed on the outside.
 
Adding Johnson gives them much greater depth/versatility at receiver.  They still lack a pure burner (unless Ellington can be that) on the outside but remember they spent more than half the year last year with Kyle Williams as the #2 WR.  They have more weapons/depth now and the passing game should improve significantly this year.  
 
I'm not quite as gushing over this draft haul as the media is -- it's hard to really say it's A-type draft when there's no obvious stars -- but there are a lot of valuable pieces here.
 

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According to twitter reports, Kaepernick and the 49ers have agreed on a contract extension, 6 years/121 million with ~60 million guaranteed.  Dayyum.
 

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Colin Kaepernick signed to an extension.
 
Six years, 61MM guaranteed, value up to $126MM.
 
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Beaten by one minute while I was looking for a link.
 

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Colin Kaepernick signed to an extension.
 
Six years, 61MM guaranteed, value up to $126MM.
 
Link
 
Beaten by one minute while I was looking for a link.
 
Yes, but that makes yours the more useful post. 
 

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I think it is better than the Flacco contract... there's just a lot more upside to CK than to Flacco. Still, that's a "bet your job" contract for the GM.
 

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It's a lot harder to build a championship team when one player consumes so much of the salary cap.  I mean, it's not like Kap suddenly got a lot better.  It's just that they have a lot less money to put good players around him.  
 
The same thing will hit Seattle soon with Wilson.  You can only get away with a great, but cheap, QB for so long.
 

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PFT has some details on the creative contract:
 
 
 
As expected, there’s plenty of fluff.
Technically, the deal has $61 million guaranteed, even though $6 million of the guaranteed salary could evaporate (more on that later).  Either way, only $13.073 million is guaranteed at signing.  It comes in the form of a $12.328 million signing bonus, a base salary of $645,000, and a workout bonus of $100,000.
For 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, and part of 2018, the base salaries are guaranteed only for injury.  On April 1 of each year, the guarantees convert from injury only to fully guaranteed.  That gives the 49ers the ability to decide, in any given year, to move on from Kaepernick.
 
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In each year from 2015 through 2020, however, there’s a catch.  A big one.  The total payout potentially de-escalates by $2 million per year, with up to $12 million potentially going away.
Kaepernick can halt the de-escalation by taking, in any year of the deal, 80 percent of the snaps and if:  (1) the 49ers appear in the Super Bowl; or (2) Kaepernick is named a first-team or second-team All-Pro.
 
 

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Nice. Ever since Harbaugh made his pissy comments about the Seahawks, it seems like no club more than the 49ers has had more law enforcement issues. Some variation on karma, I guess.
 

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Already ESPN and presumably everyone else mentioning Sam. At least we know he won't lay a hand on a woman. (sorry for taking that layup)
 

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Both arrests and injuries means that the vaunted 49er defense will nit be the same this year. Coupled with the protection issues that they have had in the preseason and finally, the marked improvement of all teams in the NFC West means a lot of worry for us 9er fans.
 

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We don't know the specifics of when the NFL will apply the new domestic/sexual violence policy though, right? Like, what is the burden of evidence, do they let the legal process play out or what?
 
This should be informative.
 

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One of the criticisms voiced about the new policy is that it was hastily thrown together as a reaction move.

So question 1 out of the box, do you need an adjudication that includes a finding of guilt? I don't think Roger has tied his hands to that extent. Which raises the question, what quantum of evidence is necessary to drop the hammer first? There are several thoughtful approaches to that, but they left themselves little time for thinking
 

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DE Aldon Smith suspended for 9 games.
LB Navarro Bowman out for ~ 8 games with leg injury (ACL comeback)
DT Dorsey out for year with torn bicep.
DT McDonald potentially looking at 6 games.
 
9ers depth is really hurting.
 

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I don't know that this will end up being a true test case because there were (reportedly) teammates present when this happened. Which means this is going to be very different than just about every other domestic abuse allegation that will occur in the future. 
 
It does spell really big trouble for the 49ers who will have some part of the team distracted by an NFL investigation (either as the subject or as witnesses) and all of the team answering questions in the media. Is Harbaugh capable of executing the Belichick Handbook on Handling Scandal?
 

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Bruising on the neck, huh? Those teammates are gonna have to account for themselves and how they reacted, or if they came after the fact or what.
 
Granted, this was an arrest and would make the news anyway most likely, but I wonder if the new policy will cause us to hear more about domestic violence in the league.
 

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The fact that Harbaugh is McDonald’s coach could create a separate area of trouble for the player, based on this quote from former 49ers safety Donte Whitner:  “He said that we can do anything in the world and we can come and talk to him and he’ll forgive us except put our hands on women.  If you put your hand on a woman then you’re done in his book.”
 
 
It will also be interesting to see how this affects the Harbaugh/Baalke relationship. If the above is true, I imagine there's some conversations happening in the 49ers offices today.
 

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It will also be interesting to see how this affects the Harbaugh/Baalke relationship. If the above is true, I imagine there's some conversations happening in the 49ers offices today.
. I'll believe an NFL coach doesn't countenance violence against women as soon as an NFL coach actually does something about it. I'll bet the 49ers stand by MacDonald.
 

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I don't doubt the 49ers will. Baalke isn't going anywhere. 
 
I was more wondering just how much Harbaugh is going to use this as leverage in the on-going power struggle they seem engaged in. I think he's self-serving enough to whip out the "I wanted him gone" card to future employers (coughMiamicough) as part of his exit strategy from the 49ers. 
 

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. I'll believe an NFL coach doesn't countenance violence against women as soon as an NFL coach actually does something about it. I'll bet the 49ers stand by MacDonald.
Jim doubled down on his radio show. If a player is convicted of domestic violence; he is out. The process, though, needs to play out.

A conviction can include a jury verdict or a plea.

I'd be working on pre-trial diversion unles MacDonald is, as he asserts, unjustly accused.
 

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Jim doubled down on his radio show. If a player is convicted of domestic violence; he is out. The process, though, needs to play out.

A conviction can include a jury verdict or a plea.

I'd be working on pre-trial diversion unles MacDonald is, as he asserts, unjustly accused.
I'm not sure he really is doubling down-by letting the courts handle it first Harbaugh is buying himself an awful lot of time. And does he still cut the player if there's a plea for something but not battery?
 

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I'm not sure he really is doubling down-by letting the courts handle it first Harbaugh is buying himself an awful lot of time. And does he still cut the player if there's a plea for something but not battery?
You can be sure the statutory analysis will be fine, and Black's Law Dictionary will be at somebody's elbow.
 

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You can be sure the statutory analysis will be fine, and Black's Law Dictionary will be at somebody's elbow.
"We didn't cut him because a.) He pled to assault-not battery- and b.) We have Seattle next week"
 

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I can't wait to hear radio and tv personalities attempt to parse "nolo contendere."
 

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On the field, this is still an excellent team.  The defense is weaker than last year without Smith, Macdonald, Bowman, and Dorsey and with three new starters in the secondary, but they can roll in Tank Carradine and Ian Williams on the DL without much drop off (Williams actually was the starter ahead of Dorsey last season before breaking his leg, and Carradine was a potential all-pro talent coming out of college before tearing his ACL).  Even without Bowman and Smith they still have a bunch of pro bowl-level players on defense (Justin Smith, Patrick Willis, Ahmad Brooks, Eric Reid), and if they can hold the fort until November when Smith and Bowman return they will be very tough in the playoffs.  
 
The offense will have to be better to pick up the slack, and it should be much improved from last year.  The WR core has been massively upgraded. Last year they started the year with Kyle Williams and Jon Baldwin as the #2 and #3 receivers: those two combined for 15 receptions and both were cut by midseason, and FB Bruce Miller finished 3rd on the team in receptions with 25.  This year, they have a healthy Crabtree, Boldin returns after a monster season, they added Stevie Johnson from Buffalo to play in the slot and signed Brandon Lloyd as a deep threat (he was supposed to be training camp fodder but had a great camp and surprisingly made the team), plus they drafted Bruce Ellington, who will probably return punts.  Vernon Davis is still one of the best tight ends in the league.  They may actually use 3WR sets this season, which their personnel didn't really allow them do for most of last year.  
 
At RB, despite losing Kendall Hunter for the season they have the ageless Gore with LaMichael James as the speedy change of pace guy, and they drafted Carlos Hyde to be the power/short yardage back, plus they could add Marcus Lattimore by midseason.  FB Bruce Miller is one of the best blocking fullbacks around (a dying art).  The OL has a new center (Daniel Kilgore, promoted from backup) but everyone else is back (Boone finally signed last week after holding out) and reasonably healthy to start the year, and while they weren't as good in 2013 as in 2012 it's still one of the better lines around.
 
So the weapons are there, for the first time in a long time.  This is the best offense on paper the 49ers have had since Steve Young was throwing to Jerry Rice and Terrell Owens, and the first time in many years defenses won't consistently stack the box and dare the 49ers to throw.   In order to get back to 11-12 wins Kaepernick will have to take another step forward.  I think he will make significant progress this season, not to MVP-level but I think he'll be a comfortably Top-10 QB.  
 
The schedule is hard with the AFC West, but with Arizona and St Louis's off-season injuries it doesn't look quite as rough as it did in May.  They don't have to play Seattle until Thanksgiving, so they can hope to have Smith and Bowman back for those matchups.  And they have managed to keep one of the league's best coaching staffs mostly intact.  
 
So that's the on-field stuff.  Obviously the off-field stuff is a big issue, what with the Harbaugh/Baalke power struggles and all the arrests and suspensions.  If any team is equipped to handle that stuff, though, it's the 49ers, who have one of the tighter locker rooms in the league and lots of strong, veteran personalities who will keep the team focused (Justin Smith, Patrick Willis, Frank Gore, Vernon Davis are the main leaders).  They've had major in-season "distractions" the last two years (in 2012 it was the QB controversy, last season it was Smith's DUI arrest) and mostly emerged unscathed.  Harbaugh will no doubt do the whole siege mentality/us against the world thing.  
 
Without Smith and Bowman for 2/3 of the season, I don't think they have enough to catch Seattle, but I'd be very surprised if they miss the playoffs.  10 wins and a wild card seems like the most likely projection.  There's some downside risk: say, the new secondary can't cover anyone, without Smith there's no pass rush, Kaepernick struggles, Frank Gore finally hits the wall, Harbaugh and Baalke openly feud all season, and they go 7-9 and miss the playoffs, but unless Kaepernick gets hurt and we are subjected to the Blaine Gabbert experience, I don't really see it.  There's just too much talent up and down the roster here.
 

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In other RB news today, the Niners pretty quietly released LaMichael James. I'm not sure why they're doing this now and not after the preseason when they could have kept Winston. Hopefully this means Lattimore is looking better in his recovery and they feel he can contribute this year down the road. Obviously helpful that Hyde looked good in actual action too, but only having two RB is pretty thin long term.
 

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Marcus Lattimore retiring due to ongoing knee problems. Really too bad.
 
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/529272889737240576
 

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So ... I still have no idea what to make of this team.  They are now 6-4.  The last two road wins have put them in decent wild-card position: they have tiebreakers over both Dallas and Philly, and Seattle's loss today gives SF the advantage over the Seahawks if the teams split their H2H (although the tiebreaker there could change based on future results).  Of their six remaining games, four are at home, and one of the road games is at Oakland (the other is at Seattle).  If they can hold serve in the games they're supposed to win (home to Washington, home to SD, away at Oakland), they won't have to worry about winning in Seattle.  Remember, they started 6-4 last year too, and then reeled off 8 wins in a row before losing the NFCCG on the last play of the game.
 
The defense has quietly been pretty darn good given all the injuries on that side of the ball.  Their three best players on defense are probably Willis, Bowman, and Aldon Smith -- that trio has played a combined seven games this season.  The secondary has been racked by injuries -- Antoine Bethea and Perrish Cox are the only DBs to play in every game.  They are now onto the third-string nose tackle in Quinton Dial with Williams and Dorsey still out.  But a lot of guys, especially the rookies, have stepped up.  Borland has been a revelation and is making a late charge for Defensive Rookie of the Year.  Aaron Lynch has provided effective pass rush.  Cox and Culliver have been solid at corner, and Bethea has been a fantastic FA signing and a big upgrade over Whitner.  They've really only had one bad game on defense, and that was the game at Denver on a short week when half the team was out injured.  And as they get Aldon Smith and maybe Bowman back (although I'm skeptical he'll play this year), they should only get stronger.
 
The offense, on the other hand, has been incredibly frustrating.  Inconsistent QB play, offensive line struggles, dropped passes, bad play-calling, fluky fumbles -- they've had some of all of it.  If they want to be a contender the offense will need to improve.  It feels like they should be able to -- the talent is there.  But they haven't been able to put it all together yet for more than a half at a time.  Home to Washington next week should be as good a chance as any.
 
It's been different this year to see all the rookies involved.  In 2012, LaMichael James was the only rookie to get even minimal playing time -- partly because Baalke blew that draft, partly because they had the best roster in the league that season and nearly everyone stayed healthy, so they no holes to fill.  Last year, only 1st round pick Eric Reid really added much.  This year, they have seven rookies making meaningful contributions -- Ward (nickel CB, although he's now on IR as of this week), Hyde (backup/change of pace RB), Martin (now the starting center), Borland, Ellington (returning punts/5th WR), Johnson (nickel CB), and Lynch.  
 

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So, it seems pretty inevitable at this point that Harbaugh is out. The offense is a total disaster and can't seem to do anything right anymore even before being embarrassed by Seattle. If he reverts to a pure running approach over the next few games, then it's basically admitting they would have been better off keeping Alex. It's going to suck losing him, but if he's not willing or able to develop an offense and improve Kap... then he's basically being paid to be a front for Vic Fangio and the defense. I'd like to see them push tempo more often and try to stress defenses. It's super predictable running down the playclock every.single.snap trying to make last minute adjustments that never seem to work, but it's probably way too late in the year to do anything that drastic.
 
Watching Auburn right now is making me wonder how Malzahn would do in SF. He has experience developing athletic QB's and implementing spread offenses without neglecting the run... basically what the Niners should be running IMO.
 

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So this team is a mess right now.  Kaepernick has badly regressed, the offensive line can't block anyone, the defense just got picked apart by Derek Carr, Harbaugh is almost certainly a dead man walking, and they have to play at Seattle this week.  Not a happy time in 49er-land.
 

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Is Harbaugh the NFC Rex Ryan? Serious question.
It's hard to answer this, considering Ryan is one of the most divisive figures on this board. Do you mean this as a compliment or a criticism, or some of both?
 

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Is he a big talker leading to lots of media love leading to being overrated? Yes, but Harbaugh isn't nearly the politician Rex is.
 
Is he a bad coach? No, in that sense not at all like Rex, though Harbaugh probably does have a short shelf life.