2014 49ers: Harbaugh's Pleated Pants Parade

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Is he a big talker leading to lots of media love leading to being overrated? Yes, but Harbaugh isn't nearly the politician Rex is.
 
Is he a bad coach? No, in that sense not at all like Rex, though Harbaugh probably does have a short shelf life.
I don't see the bolded at all - to me, Harbaugh is a lot more Belichick-school in terms of being a bit adversarial with the media. Maybe with a hint of a little Jimy Williams / Joe Morgan quirkiness in there.
 

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That's true, the similarity is more that he's brash like Rex, but you're right he's more adversarial/less of a politician.
 

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Harbaugh is also a far better all around coach than Rex is. Not just one dimensional. Both have short shelf lives for various reasons.
 

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It's amazing how much worse the outlook is for this team compared to 18 months ago, when they had one of the game's best coaches, a QB that looked potentially dominant, and a massive surplus of draft picks in the following two years.

Now they've got no coach, a QB that may not be the answer, and they don't seem to have gotten a great return on those deep drafts, especially offensively.
 

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Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
It's amazing how much worse the outlook is for this team compared to 18 months ago, when they had one of the game's best coaches, a QB that looked potentially dominant, and a massive surplus of draft picks in the following two years.

Now they've got no coach, a QB that may not be the answer, and they don't seem to have gotten a great return on those deep drafts, especially offensively.
Harbaugh may be gone and Kaepernick's regression is concerning, but they also dealt with a crazy amount of injuries this year. Currently on IR: both inside linebackers, their C, their first round pick (and nickel corner), their top two NTs, their backup TE. Aldon Smith missed most of the season with a suspension, and RT Anthony Davis and CB Tramaine Brock have played just a handful of games. On Sunday they were down to their third-string C, at times their third-string RB, their third- and fourth- and fifth- string CBs, their fourth- and fifth- string ILBs ... yikes. They can't help but be healthier in 2015.
 

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Yeah, and while they've had some misses on draft picks they've also had some real hits -- with all their injuries the depth has come out in an impressive way. That does leave the QB issue, which is huge, whatever has gone on with Harbaugh and players tuning him out or whatever, and the receivers -- in particular Vernon Davis looks like he's 55, slow and lame. Not sure if he's playing injured or has just turned to toast for some other reason.
 
A new HC and maybe they have the assets to trade up to the top of the draft for a QB?
 

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Harbaugh may be gone and Kaepernick's regression is concerning, but they also dealt with a crazy amount of injuries this year. Currently on IR: both inside linebackers, their C, their first round pick (and nickel corner), their top two NTs, their backup TE. Aldon Smith missed most of the season with a suspension, and RT Anthony Davis and CB Tramaine Brock have played just a handful of games. On Sunday they were down to their third-string C, at times their third-string RB, their third- and fourth- and fifth- string CBs, their fourth- and fifth- string ILBs ... yikes. They can't help but be healthier in 2015.
 
Yup, nobody is going to win under those conditions.  I thought for much of the year that this still could be one of the league's best teams if they got healthy, and instead they just got more injured.
 
It will be interesting to see what direction they go in for a new HC.  They've got a sharp front office and this will be a huge decision for them.
 

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Yeah, and while they've had some misses on draft picks they've also had some real hits -- with all their injuries the depth has come out in an impressive way. That does leave the QB issue, which is huge, whatever has gone on with Harbaugh and players tuning him out or whatever, and the receivers -- in particular Vernon Davis looks like he's 55, slow and lame. Not sure if he's playing injured or has just turned to toast for some other reason.
 
A new HC and maybe they have the assets to trade up to the top of the draft for a QB?
 
I'd be shocked if they draft a top QB this year.  They may take one in the second or third round but they have other needs.  Wide Receiver is probably the biggest need, since Crabtree is a FA who will likely leave, Boldin and Vernon Davis are old, and they have no speed on the outside.  They'll need a new left guard to replace Iupati who will probably leave in free agency (someone will overpay him), and they may need to replace Boone at RG (he has been poor this year).  
 

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Tony C said:
Is he a big talker leading to lots of media love leading to being overrated? Yes, but Harbaugh isn't nearly the politician Rex is.
 
Is he a bad coach? No, in that sense not at all like Rex, though Harbaugh probably does have a short shelf life.
I don't get that Harbaugh is, or has ever been a big talker. I used to watch his Monday press conferences (I'm sure there is one in a couple of hours) but stopped because he never says anything. It's either we have to get better, and we will, or the guys played well (when they were doing that). His predecessor, Mike Singletary, was also completely boring in that he'd say "I have to look at the tape" with practically every question to him. Now, Harbaugh is very effusive, or belligerent on the sidelines, mostly the latter, but that doesn't translate into his being a talker. Belichick may have the dour face but he says a whole lot more post game unless he's stonewalling stupid questions like after the KC game "will you be looking at the QB position" . 
 
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This suddenly-conventional-wisdom belief that Harbaugh is getting fired is bizarre to me.  We went from this:
 
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So ... I still have no idea what to make of this team.  They are now 6-4.  The last two road wins have put them in decent wild-card position: they have tiebreakers over both Dallas and Philly, and <snip> Remember, they started 6-4 last year too, and then reeled off 8 wins in a row before losing the NFCCG on the last play of the game.
 
...to less than two weeks later, this:
 
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So, it seems pretty inevitable at this point that Harbaugh is out. The offense is a total disaster and can't seem to do anything right anymore even before being embarrassed by Seattle. If he reverts to a pure running approach over the next few games, then it's basically admitting they would have been better off keeping Alex. It's going to suck losing him, but if he's not willing or able to develop an offense and improve Kap... <snip>
 
echoed two weeks later...
 
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So this team is a mess right now.  Kaepernick has badly regressed, the offensive line can't block anyone, the defense just got picked apart by Derek Carr, Harbaugh is almost certainly a dead man walking, and they have to play at Seattle this week.  Not a happy time in 49er-land.
 
...Despite, as MMS points out:
 
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Yup, nobody is going to win under those conditions.  I thought for much of the year that this still could be one of the league's best teams if they got healthy, and instead they just got more injured.
 
It will be interesting to see what direction they go in for a new HC.  They've got a sharp front office and this will be a huge decision for them.
 
And yet even he's talking as if it's assumed that Jim Harbaugh will be fired.
 
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?  I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!
 
The man is 43-18-1 in less than 4 years of being head coach, averaging 11 wins a year if he can win one of his last two, that's over a 70% win percentage.  His success has been Belichickian.  His last three years he has gone to the NFCCG ALL THREE TIMES, winning once, and only failing to win the Lombardi by the slimmest of margins.  This year, with a rash of injuries that would have made the 2010 Red Sox wince, he is somehow at .500 and was only yesterday eliminated from playoff contention in a very tight NFC race.  A majority of his losses have been to division leaders and/or defending conference champs (Broncos, Cardinals, Seattle x2), and of all seven losses, only the Broncos game was by an embarrassing score.  His team has held it together in the face of huge adversity this year, after an incredible run of success the previous three.
 
Seriously, the guy is clearly a top-5 HC in the league.  What in God's name has Harbaugh done to go from "Belichickian levels of trust and success" to "dead man walking" without so much as a link to a newspaper report?  Seriously, could there be a dumber move that the SF Front Office could make?  Why are all of you (49ers fans, I'll assume) acting as if this would be a good thing?  Do you long for the days of Mike Singletary, Mike Nolan and Dennis Erickson?  Seriously, the attitude that what Harbaugh has done is insufficient is practically infuriating.  Yankees-fans-circa-2004 levels of arrogance.  If Randy Moss catches the 2PC in the 4th quarter of SB 47, or they converted 4th-and-goal shortly thereafter, would he somehow be a celebrated hero who was just having a bad year?  90% of teams in the league would kill for his level of success and player loyalty.  Who besides New England and GB wouldn't swap their coach for Jim Harbaugh?
 
This is madness.  Where in the name of Joe Montana's burning jockstrap did this notion come from?
 

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This suddenly-conventional-wisdom belief that Harbaugh is getting fired is bizarre to me.  We went from this:
 
 
...to less than two weeks later, this:
 
 
echoed two weeks later...
 
 
...Despite, as MMS points out:
 
 
And yet even he's talking as if it's assumed that Jim Harbaugh will be fired.
 
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?  I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!
 
The man is 43-18-1 in less than 4 years of being head coach, averaging 11 wins a year if he can win one of his last two, that's over a 70% win percentage.  His success has been Belichickian.  His last three years he has gone to the NFCCG ALL THREE TIMES, winning once, and only failing to win the Lombardi by the slimmest of margins.  This year, with a rash of injuries that would have made the 2010 Red Sox wince, he is somehow at .500 and was only yesterday eliminated from playoff contention in a very tight NFC race.  A majority of his losses have been to division leaders and/or defending conference champs (Broncos, Cardinals, Seattle x2), and of all seven losses, only the Broncos game was by an embarrassing score.  His team has held it together in the face of huge adversity this year, after an incredible run of success the previous three.
 
Seriously, the guy is clearly a top-5 HC in the league.  What in God's name has Harbaugh done to go from "Belichickian levels of trust and success" to "dead man walking" without so much as a link to a newspaper report?  Seriously, could there be a dumber move that the SF Front Office could make?  Why are all of you (49ers fans, I'll assume) acting as if this would be a good thing?  Do you long for the days of Mike Singletary, Mike Nolan and Dennis Erickson?  Seriously, the attitude that what Harbaugh has done is insufficient is practically infuriating.  Yankees-fans-circa-2004 levels of arrogance.  If Randy Moss catches the 2PC in the 4th quarter of SB 47, or they converted 4th-and-goal shortly thereafter, would he somehow be a celebrated hero who was just having a bad year?  90% of teams in the league would kill for his level of success and player loyalty.  Who besides New England and GB wouldn't swap their coach for Jim Harbaugh?
 
This is madness.  Where in the name of Joe Montana's burning jockstrap did this notion come from?
 
The assumption isn't that Harbaugh is going to be fired.  The speculation, which seems to be pretty well sourced, is that he wants to leave because he and the front office hate each other.  They won't fire him because the ideal scenario is to extract compensation from another NFL team that hires him.
 

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Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
 
The assumption isn't that Harbaugh is going to be fired.  The speculation, which seems to be pretty well sourced, is that he wants to leave because he and the front office hate each other.  They won't fire him because the ideal scenario is to extract compensation from another NFL team that hires him.
 
Yeah, it's been clear for a while that Harbaugh and Baalke loathe each other's guts and that Baalke is Jed York's guy, which means it's unlikely Harbaugh returns.
 

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Yeah, it's been clear for a while that Harbaugh and Baalke loathe each other's guts and that Baalke is Jed York's guy, which means it's unlikely Harbaugh returns.
The weird thing is that they hired Baalke with Harbaugh's approval as they were trying to woo Harbaugh away from Stanford. I guess things deteriorated pretty badly from there. 
 

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Whether they should (or should have tried to) keep Baalke or Harbaugh is an interesting question; seems like Baalke has already 'won' that power struggle, and I think he probably should, but there's certainly a case they should have just doubled-down on Harbaugh earlier in the year and avoided the power struggle (or at least appearance of one) that way, too.
 

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This is madness.  Where in the name of Joe Montana's burning jockstrap did this notion come from?
 
 
Your post makes it seem like you only read SoSH for football news.
 
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/05/jay-glazer-sees-no-way-jim-harbaugh-remains-with-49ers-beyond-this-year/
 
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2014-10-05/nfl-jim-harbaugh-49ers-report-leaving-end-of-season-fox-sunday-jay-glazer
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000443122/article/silver-divorce-is-inevitable-in-san-francisco
 
http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article4485625.html
 
http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article4479721.html
 
 
EDIT: And what I mean by that is, you were asking for a link to something it is almost so universally accepted, that it makes as much sense to link to it as to link to McDonalds Wikipedia page when I mentioned that I grabbed a Big Mac for dinner. Almost every single story about the Niners this year has talked about this angle and you appear to be the only one in the dark. Every post about Wade Miley doesn't need a link back to news reports of his trade to Boston. It's pretty much universal knowledge at this point. I think.
 

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http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2014/12/12/levis-part-2/
 
Harbaugh turned the franchise around and arguably got a billion dollar stadium built--and couldn't get a contract extension out of it. So he refuses to reschedule practice and he shows up late in a sweatshirt for the grand opening. Would even Belichick do that? Maybe Parcells. Kind of hard to move on from there.
This part of that story is totally crazy and seriously dysfunctional if true.
 
 
* Harbaugh wanted to keep the team based in their old locker room, next to the practice field and save the Levi’s locker room just for game days, to make it special.
York and Baalke wanted the team in the Levi’s locker room permanently–where there’s better equipment, more space–and as the 49ers figured out how to handle of this, many of the players just started going over to Levi’s, anyway, because of the nicer environs.
The compromise: The 49ers decided to keep two locker rooms and the players can choose which one to dress in during the week.
Seems logical, but the result is that many veterans stay in the old locker room, everybody else is in the new one, and often they never see each other after practice or between meetings.
There are literally two camps, two locker room atmospheres, two factions of 49ers.
-Old locker room: Justin Smith, Ray McDonald, Anquan Boldin, among others.
-New locker room: Colin Kaepernick, Frank Gore, the entire offensive line, Glenn Dorsey, Antoine Bethea, Eric Reid, the kickers.
 

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Wow, MMS. I never played FB past HS, but it seems obvious that team chemistry/bonding/morale/communication is pretty damn important in football. Who could have thought two locker rooms would be anything but a terrible idea?
 

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Harbaugh is also a far better all around coach than Rex is. Not just one dimensional. Both have short shelf lives for various reasons.
I remember you predicting the rapid demise of the niners before the season even began. Good call tims4wins!
 

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lambeau said:
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2014/12/12/levis-part-2/
 
Harbaugh turned the franchise around and arguably got a billion dollar stadium built--and couldn't get a contract extension out of it. So he refuses to reschedule practice and he shows up late in a sweatshirt for the grand opening. Would even Belichick do that? Maybe Parcells. Kind of hard to move on from there.
That article is amazing. So much dysfunction, and not even Harbaugh vs Baalke so much as Harbaugh trying to build a winning football team vs management trying to handle the business elements. When you read things like this, you realize (as I increasingly do) that Robert Kraft doesn't get nearly enough credit for what the Patriots have built. Probably half the owners in the league would have found a way to kill the golden goose 
 

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Super Nomario said:
That article is amazing. So much dysfunction, and not even Harbaugh vs Baalke so much as Harbaugh trying to build a winning football team vs management trying to handle the business elements. When you read things like this, you realize (as I increasingly do) that Robert Kraft doesn't get nearly enough credit for what the Patriots have built. Probably half the owners in the league would have found a way to kill the golden goose 
 
Agreed---it's insane to push your coach on which locker room to use.  And I'm completely confident the Pats (and Steelers, and Ravens, and other well-run teams) would never end up with the situation the Niners did.
 
The incident that really spoke to Kraft's approach, I thought, was the end of spygate.  Kraft must have pushed Belichick behind the scenes to accept the punishment and somewhat admit error (hard to imagine BB doing that on his own)...and then he, the next day, also gave BB a huge extension.   He didn't pick a fight with the league, but he also made sure that his most valuable asset understood that he had the full and total support of ownership going forward and immediately put to bed any media discussion of whether BB was in trouble with ownership.  Lot of other ways an owner could have reacted to that situation---and he picked one of the best available.
 

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Agreed---it's insane to push your coach on which locker room to use.  And I'm completely confident the Pats (and Steelers, and Ravens, and other well-run teams) would never end up with the situation the Niners did.
 

The Ravens rep as a "well run team" should have taken a hit with all the behind the scenes shenanigans in the Ray Rice saga.
 
Although I guess you could say that despite all that, the franchise itself was united and came through it.
 

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Agreed---it's insane to push your coach on which locker room to use.  And I'm completely confident the Pats (and Steelers, and Ravens, and other well-run teams) would never end up with the situation the Niners did.
 
The incident that really spoke to Kraft's approach, I thought, was the end of spygate.  Kraft must have pushed Belichick behind the scenes to accept the punishment and somewhat admit error (hard to imagine BB doing that on his own)...and then he, the next day, also gave BB a huge extension.   He didn't pick a fight with the league, but he also made sure that his most valuable asset understood that he had the full and total support of ownership going forward and immediately put to bed any media discussion of whether BB was in trouble with ownership.  Lot of other ways an owner could have reacted to that situation---and he picked one of the best available.
 
Ownership has been dumb, but Harbaugh has a well-earned reputation as a very difficult guy to get along with.  I wouldn't be surprised if some of these silly controversies (which locker room to use, showing up late for the ribbon cutting ceremony, etc.) were started by Harbaugh solely for the purpose of sticking his finger in management's eye.  
 
There have been deeper, more fundamental issues too.  Baalke's draft/roster strategy has tended to be long-term focused, for example his red-shirt drafting strategy, which has frustrated Harbaugh who felt he had a great team on the verge of a championship that needed more pieces who could contribute immediately.  Harbaugh has publicly lobbied in the press for the team to re-sign certain players, whom Baalke then chose not to re-sign.  Baalke probably blames Harbaugh in part for the failure of the AJ Jenknis and LaMichael James picks, thinking they weren't developed or used properly, while Harbaugh blames Baalke for wasting a whole draft at a crucial juncture..  There was major organizational conflict over what do with Aldon Smith when he got arrested for drunk driving.  Etc.
 

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I believe it's both Harbaugh and management, personally, and believe I've said as much, overall.   Specifically in the locker room situation, though, I think that's the coach's call.
 
From my observation, Harbaugh and Baalke have been on a collision course for quite a while; I remember a discussion last winter/spring about which would be better to keep, for example.   In the overall situation there's plenty of joint contribution and it's hard to tell from where we are who has 'more' blame, other than observing it's quite likely both have plenty...and that the dysfunction has impacted the team.
 

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Yes, the stuff with Big Ben was ugly, with AH worse still, and RR wasn't a joke either.  Yet the Steelers, Pats and Ravens were able to maintain their focus and performance on the field.
 
As an outsider, this situation strikes me as unnecessary, self inflicted damage, on both sides, but especially the 49ers side.  Remember Singletary before you're so quick to clip Harbaugh (and ask Bears' fans about a former HC clipped with a 10-6 record because he couldn't take the "next step".)  Things can get worse, much worse.
 
This has a gratuitous, arrogant aura around it, somewhat similar to Parcells and Kraft unable to work things out because of ego, Kobe and Shaq, and the genius in Chicago deciding it was time to break up the Jordan Bulls.  To be sure, Harbaugh did not attain the level of success achieved by the Lakers and Bulls, but he surpassed what Parcells and Kraft accomplished together.  Parcells, of course, was succeeded by Bobby Grier and Pete the Younger.
 

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This has a gratuitous, arrogant aura around it, somewhat similar to Parcells and Kraft unable to work things out because of ego, Kobe and Shaq, and the genius in Chicago deciding it was time to break up the Jordan Bulls.  To be sure, Harbaugh did not attain the level of success achieved by the Lakers and Bulls, but he surpassed what Parcells and Kraft accomplished together.  Parcells, of course, was succeeded by Bobby Grier and Pete the Younger.
 
Parcells was handed one of the biggest shit sandwiches in NFL history. I'm not a huge Parcells defender, but he came in 1992 with a pile of shit, went through an ownership change and took the team to a Super Bowl in 4 years. Plus he left behind a core of talent  that eventually won the Super Bowl in 2001. 
 

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Agreed---I think Parcells is generally overrated (while still being a terrific coach, mind you) and I still think it's tough to call whether he (with Pats) or Harbaugh accomplished more.
 

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Agreed Northeastern.
 
And on this side of the ledger, you have an s-show under Singletary, a team that had not been relevant for a decade, and then Harbaugh taking them to 3 straight conference championship games and a SB appearance.
 
One of the problems here is if incumbent management does not appreciate the difficulty and rarity of this, they are not exactly the kind of people you'd have a lot of confidence in choosing a successor.
 

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Ray McDonald was arrested earlier this year on suspicion of domestic violence before the DA decided not to press charges.
 
Earlier today, police executed a search warrant on his home as McDonald is under investigation for suspected sexual assault.  
 
A few minutes ago, the 49ers released him.  
 
This is not exactly consistent with the team's stance earlier this year that McDonald should be allowed to play and given the benefit of "due process" while the police/DA investigation played out.
 
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12042939/san-francisco-49ers-release-ray-mcdonald-amid-sexual-assault-investigation.
 
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12042250/ray-mcdonald-san-francisco-49ers-investigated-sexual-assault
 

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I'm crossing my fingers that Harbaugh takes that Michigan job. I don't want to see him anywhere near the AFC, nevermind the AFC East. Both the Dolphins and Jets usually give us a run for our money. They suddenly become far more challenging with Harbaugh at the helm of either team.
 
Also, that article from Kawakami was an interesting read, but also reeked of a Wojnarowski-esque hit job. Regarding the stadium grass:
 
 
And it’s still not right, which makes you wonder: It’s a $1.3B stadium, what else did they get wrong that we don’t yet know about?
 
Sounds like his sources have a serious vendetta against York, Baalke, et al. 
 
That aside, to me the larger overall point is: If/when Harbaugh leaves the 49ers, it signals winning football games really isn't the #1 priority for the 49ers. Maybe he is a prick to deal with, but he just gets the job done. I'm sure Belichick is also a prick, but the Kraft's have figured out how to make it work with him.
 

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Kawakami is like a slightly better CHB. He's a huge shit-stirrer, but a little bit less infuriating than CHB because he picks his spots a lot better and he's not quite the same jackass.
 
He's the archetypal columnist who revels in sticking in the knife and twisting it, but that works for him right now because I'm pretty sure most people in the Bay Area hate this team.
 

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I get that they are not an NFL team, but how are they talking to a coach who is still employed? Even if his team is out of the playoffs he still owes his players the effort.
 
Same way that both Nick Saban and Bobby Petrino were talking to college programs when they had NFL jobs. There is no penalty for these colleges.
 
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He means how do the coaches get away with it, and the lack of professionalism it suggests.
 

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Michigan's outreach could have been unilateral -- they call Harbaugh's agent and make the offer.
 
Beyond that, if there is going to be a parting, SF may be advantaged by resolving it now.  They then would be free to contact coaching candidates without any coaches saying, 'not until Harbaugh leaves.'
 

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ESPN suggests Harbaugh may be able to choose:
 
Oakland
Miami
NY (Jets)
Chicago
Atlanta
 
Would be an interesting choice.
 

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ESPN suggests Harbaugh may be able to choose:
 
Oakland
Miami
NY (Jets)
Chicago
Atlanta
 
Would be an interesting choice.
 
Atlanta is the ideal job if his decision is all about winning.  You've got Matt Ryan in place, a few other talented pieces, and the worst division in football to compete against.
 
I have never liked Harbaugh but I will give him huge props if he chooses Oakland.  Its a huge gamble but the "fuck you Baalke" upside is through the roof and if he succeeded in turning that franchise around he'd become a hero to one of the NFL's best fanbases. 
 

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Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
 
Atlanta is the ideal job if his decision is all about winning.  You've got Matt Ryan in place, a few other talented pieces, and the worst division in football to compete against.
 
I have never liked Harbaugh but I will give him huge props if he chooses Oakland.  Its a huge gamble but the "fuck you Baalke" upside is through the roof and if he succeeded in turning that franchise around he'd become a hero to one of the NFL's best fanbases. 
 
 
According to my Stanford football spies he went to San Francisco (and rejected Michigan at least once) because his wife wanted to stay in the bay area (or at least a major coastal metropolitan area) and was not going to uproot their young family.  That would makes Oakland a reasonable choice.  Throw in that you have a pretty clean slate from a salary standpoint and that there aren't many teams that look to be particularly dominant over the long term (Peyton is old, Rivers is ok but not great, and KC is decent but beatable) Oakland makes quite a bit of sense.
 

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Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
Atlanta is the ideal job if his decision is all about winning.  You've got Matt Ryan in place, a few other talented pieces, and the worst division in football to compete against.
Maybe in terms of making the playoffs in the short term, given the weakness of the NFC South, but not in terms of winning anything substantial. That team is 9-21 since the start of the 2013 season for a reason: the offensive line and defensive front seven are garbage, and the loss of talent from the missing draft picks means they're a ways away from being a real contender. Other than Julio Jones, would anyone on the Falcons start for the Patriots?
 

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According to my Stanford football spies he went to San Francisco (and rejected Michigan at least once) because his wife wanted to stay in the bay area (or at least a major coastal metropolitan area) and was not going to uproot their young family.  That would makes Oakland a reasonable choice.  Throw in that you have a pretty clean slate from a salary standpoint and that there aren't many teams that look to be particularly dominant over the long term (Peyton is old, Rivers is ok but not great, and KC is decent but beatable) Oakland makes quite a bit of sense.
 
If you think Carr is the real deal, which a lot of people seem to believe, in no small part due to showing against the 49ers, then its a pretty attractive situation.  Young promising QB, some good young talent on defense, including a guy in Khalil Mack that might become a real difference-making front seven player, relatively clean salary cap, and expectations so low that you'll get a lot of patience from fans if it takes 2-3 years to build a winner.
 
Super Nomario said:
Maybe in terms of making the playoffs in the short term, given the weakness of the NFC South, but not in terms of winning anything substantial. That team is 9-21 since the start of the 2013 season for a reason: the offensive line and defensive front seven are garbage, and the loss of talent from the missing draft picks means they're a ways away from being a real contender. Other than Julio Jones, would anyone on the Falcons start for the Patriots?
 
Sure, the rest of the team is pretty thin on talent but that's true for a lot of the options.  I'd rather have a youngish elite QB in place and build everything else up than go somewhere where there is more overall talent but you have either nothing or only an average starter at best at the QB position (like NYJ or even MIA).
 

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Ian Rapaport reported on NFLN this morning that the 49ers are interested in Jim Mora Jr.  Oh please let this happen! 
 

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DanoooME said:
Ian Rapaport reported on NFLN this morning that the 49ers are interested in Jim Mora Jr.  Oh please let this happen! 
Have they talked to anybody you'd worry about? I mean, as long as the Hawks (can I call them the Hawks?) have Pete and company in place, why worry about it. Take on some division competition. Ya, if the Jets or Dolphins hired Mora, guess I'd cheer also.

I just watched Jim Harbaugh's maybe probably most likely last press conf. With the 9ers. Mind numbingly boring as always. Reporters restructure their questions several ways to get some info out of him about the team, his future, and nothing out of him worth writing down. I wonder how he interviews. Of course, his track record speaks for itself except for this year. His wife did prevail on him to replace the $9.98 K-Mart pleated chinos with non pleated same.
 

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It's not so much to make the 49ers weaker as it is to beat up on a guy who managed to completely shit the bed in his one year as Seahawks coach between Holmgren and Carroll.  Fuck that guy, he sucks worse than Rex Ryan and Doug Marrone put together.
 

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DanoooME said:
It's not so much to make the 49ers weaker as it is to beat up on a guy who managed to completely shit the bed in his one year as Seahawks coach between Holmgren and Carroll.  Fuck that guy, he sucks worse than Rex Ryan and Doug Marrone put together.
OK, I'd forgotten about that particular stop of Mora's. I would think with the current 49er team, new stadium, legacy franchise, etc., the 49er coaching job would be a prime gig and they'd bring in the best guys available. That assumes York and Baalke aren't too big of a pain in the ass. Would Cowher or Gruden be interested?
 

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Al Zarilla said:
OK, I'd forgotten about that particular stop of Mora's. I would think with the current 49er team, new stadium, legacy franchise, etc., the 49er coaching job would be a prime gig and they'd bring in the best guys available. That assumes York and Baalke aren't too big of a pain in the ass. Would Cowher or Gruden be interested?
They just semi-announced last night right before kickoff that Gruden had signed an extension to stay on MNF on ESPN for the forseeable future.  I don't think Cowher is interested in anything that isn't on the East Coast and maybe only New York/New Jersey.  
What I think is interesting is what I see as the lack of truly interesting candidates this offseason.  There's no Chip Kelly coming from college and no super hot coordinator candidates that I know of anyway.  It feels like retread city.  I think that's an excellent reason all by itself for the Dolphins to stick with Philbin and that, if Harbaugh goes back to Michigan, why Rex might be the most highly sought after name on the market. (blech)
 

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http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2014/12/23/top-10-reasons-jim-harbaughs-relationship-with-the-49ers-soured/#29369-1\
 
Interesting  tidbits on management v. Harbaugh:
 
1) He's given zero credit for defense that Baalke obtained and Fangio coached.
2) Blamed for Kaepernick regression.
3) Blamed for poor clock management and not fixing helmet communication glitches that cost the Super Bowl.
4) Insubordinate--played Aldon Smith against management wishes
5) Baalke gave him league's top talent and he chronically underperformed
Etc.
 

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Lucchino-style goodbye. The knives are out. Let's see if there are counter leaks from the Harbaugh camp.