2014-2015 NC Hoops: Duke Rules the Road

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minischwab said:
 
Leaving school might be the better term there.  Not sure he gets drafted at this point, maybe a late 2nd-round pick.  Had a chance to be a lottery pick early in his career, just never made the jump to being an elite post player.  At this point, he would have been better off coming back and trying to show he can improve his jumper and consistency as a senior.   UNC might benefit from this though, at times they were better with Johnson on the court and McAdoo on the bench this year.
 
BINGO
 

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James Michael got married after the season and by all accounts was simply ready to move on with his career and life, whether he got drafted or not.  While I certainly wish he had returned, there are many avenues open for him to continue playing basketball.
 

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Nice that they let some of the UNLV fans out of Rikers to attend the game tonight
 

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UNC shoots 28% and loses at home to an unranked Iowa team.
 
Duke shoots 65% and wins on the road at the #2 team in the country.
 
ell oh ell.
 

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UNC loses early season games in inexplicable fashion nearly every season, even ones they win titles in (Santa Clara '05, 0-2 ACC start in '09).  This team will lose games they should win on paper, win games they should lose on paper, get better through the ACC and be ready for the tournament, just like every other year.
 

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Greg29fan said:
UNC loses early season games in inexplicable fashion nearly every season, even ones they win titles in (Santa Clara '05, 0-2 ACC start in '09).  This team will lose games they should win on paper, win games they should lose on paper, get better through the ACC and be ready for the tournament, just like every other year.
coaching.
 

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Probably, but giving burn to guys like Joel James and Jackson Simmons now always seems to pay off in some key ACC road game 2 months from now when they grab a big rebound or make a defensive stop.  I'm not real enamored with the job Roy has done this season but Marcus has struggled and so has Brice Johnson, and that's on them too.
 

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whatever happened with that fake classes scandal by the way?
 

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i ask because you brought up the '05 championship* team
 

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So you're going to pretend that all those posts where you were "waiting for the Wainstein report" never happened?
 
No, it's there in black and white for everybody to read so there wasn't really any need or reason for me to comment.  I think it was 100% exhaustive and fair and what's in it is the truth.
 

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Greg29fan said:
 
No, it's there in black and white for everybody to read so there wasn't really any need or reason for me to comment.  I think it was 100% exhaustive and fair and what's in it is the truth.
 
That's a curiously passive approach considering how you had reacted to the allegations (and to those who made them) prior to the release of the report.
 

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This is the first time that Duke has started 10-0 under Coach K with all 10 wins coming by double figures.
 

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They could have won by 50 last night and it wouldn't have been enough.
 
I think the last time they beat UConn they won the national title that year though, so we've got that going for us, which is nice.
 

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eh, I don't get too up for games against mid major AAC teams
 

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Not when the 5 starters consistently all score in double figures.  
 

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I mean, i guess if our starters were all shittier, then we'd be "basically 9 deep" because there would be less variance from top to bottom and thus the minutes would be spread out more (9 guys played last night).  
 
i prefer have 5 awesome players to 9 mediocre ones, but whatever floats your boat.
 

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Depends on what you mean by depth. Matt Jones and Plumlee are solid rotation guys. Sulaimon is probably their only bench player who can score consistently though.
 

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Depends on what you mean by depth. Matt Jones and Plumlee are solid rotation guys. Sulaimon is probably their only bench player who can score consistently though.
 
I would say that they are 7 deep with Matt Jones and Sulaimon being solid rotation guys, Plumlee on the other hand is a disaster. He's a big body but he is painful to watch a good amount of the time. 
 

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He is clunky for sure but he is averaging 2.9 PPG, 2.8 RPG, and 1.0 BPG in only 10.3 MPG. Pro-rated to 25 MPG that is 7 PPG, 6.8 RPG, and 2.4 BPG. Not great numbers by any means but he contributes while he is in there for the most part. His job is to basically spell Okafor and Jefferson and just play D and grab rebounds when he is in there and he does that job somewhat effectively.
 

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Yeah, the problem is that no one has passed to him in 3 years so when it happens now he's all fumblerooski.  Hopefully that changes as he gets some more burn this season.  Zoubek turned it around 3/4 of the way through the season his senior year when pressed into action.  
 

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Yeah, the problem is that no one has passed to him in 3 years so when it happens now he's all fumblerooski.  Hopefully that changes as he gets some more burn this season.  Zoubek turned it around 3/4 of the way through the season his senior year when pressed into action.  
 
Casey Sanders is probably the better comp at this point. Hey he won a national title!
 
Actually their stats are quite similar. In the national title season Sanders averaged 10.7 minutes, 2.5 points, 1.8 boards, and 0.9 blocks.
 
Edit: he also waved a MEAN towel
 
 

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Cool. That will work swimmingly as long as Duke any college team besides Kentucky doesn't experience any injuries or foul trouble.
 

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UNC 1-1 in the ACC and has to play Louisville this week.  
 

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Can't wait for the Duke/Louisville matchup in a week and a half. Very excited to have them in-conference from now on.
Definite upgrade from Maryland.  
 

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Historically Roy has done very well against Pitino but that's not something you can count on every time so last night's loss hurts even more because of that.  You need to win home games in this conference, especially when Notre Dame went ice cold from the floor the last 7-8 minutes after shooting the ball tremendously well before that.  
 
I didn't think Roy was the reason at all they lost last night, even his last play call on the final timeout was really good; Marcus drew three defenders to him for goodness sake, it was badly, badly executed by JP.  He had Brice Johnson under the goal one-on-one or Justin Jackson all alone at the top of the key and forced the play to Marcus.  That's on the player(s), not Roy.  So's Kennedy Meeks giving up an offensive rebound that ended up as the game winning bucket when he was in position to grab the rebound and Hicks and even Marcus (who hasn't played as well as he did last year by any stretch) missed free throws, and UNC missed their last eight FG attempts.  That goes on the guys wearing the jerseys, not the coach. 
 

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First win by < 10 this year for Duke, I believe.
 
Also of note was that they were 1-4 in their last 5 ACC road openers, so winning is good I guess.
 

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Yeah, an ACC road win for a team that plays a ton of freshman is always a good thing.  Wake just played L'ville tough as well, so they're not horrible.  
 

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The ACC is deep as hell this year. Other than BC and VT, it should be competitive on any given night. Didn't get to see the Wake game, but from talking to my dad it sounds like Okafor wasn't particularly strong. While he does have great feet, I don't know if he's really an explosive athlete, so I wonder how he'll do against guys with good length and hops.
 

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He didn't get a ton of touches. Only 4-6 from the field, and another 4-8 from the line for his 12 points. He had a 11 boards and a block. Threw away a few passes out of double teams but he had the right idea on most of them.
 
Also, good god does Matt Jones suck on offense (aside from his HUGE 3 pointer to increase the margin from 2 to 5 with a couple minutes to play). He is Tony Allen bad on offense. He needs to learn to never, ever try to score, and only shoot 3s when wide open (and even then I would prefer he not, like when he airballed on earlier in the game).
 

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UNC ready to go 1-2 in the ACC tomorrow
 

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They did take down Louisville last year so you never know. But I expect a comfortable Louisville win, 10+.
 

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That Devin Thomas kid from Wake Forest is legit.  Stunning that no one talks about him.  Had 31 and 11 vs Louisville and then another huge game against Okafor/Duke.  There is a lot of under-the-radar ACC talent this year.  Justin Anderson of UVA could be the ACC player of the year, he was a 30% 3-pt shooter for 2 years, now he's at 57%.  Notre Dame is being led in rebounding by a 6'5" BASEBALL player.  Rakeem Christmas is another vastly improved player this season.
 
Duke's biggest issue right now on offense is Tyus Jones needs to be more assertive early in games against weaker opponents.  He gets too much praise for taking over the big games and "getting his teammates involved" in the games vs bad teams.  Great players are great all the time.  If he's going to be an NBA PG, he needs to learn that this season.  Doesn't mean he has to score more, but it does mean that when dumping it into Okafor isn't working in the 1st 10 minutes, he needs to create easy shots for himself and his teammates. 
 
And can someone please tell Winslow he's not allowed to shoot jumpers from inside the 3-pt line?  12% on 2-pt jumpers this season.  12!!! Either get to the rim, or shoot the 3.  The mid-range game is a disaster, stop giving away possessions on shots everyone knows you can't make just to prove you're a lottery pick.