2013 Jets: Rex back for 2014
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I saw the Patriots game.OilCanShotTupac said:
You didn't.
There were no ticky-tack calls that went the Patriots' way, no lucky bounces either, a bobbled snap that bounced away from Brady and a Ridley fumble dribbled out from underneath him and sat there until a Bill picked it up and ran it in for a TD.
So they got screwed twice on two unlucky bounces, a 14 point swing on just those two plays alone.
So your assumptions about how the game went are wrong.
The quotes stay.
That "win" by the Jets was gift wrapped by the refs.
Yeah I think Arrington breathed on Spiller too hard, can we also stop calling the Brady fumble a 7pt swing, it was 4th and goal ffs. I don't know what the odds of actually scoring are in that instance but they sure as hell aren't 100%.Reverend said:
As mentioned previously, Brady had converted on the QB sneak the last 56 times they've run it. Not 100% but a very high percentage play.j44thor said:
j44thor said:
(7 points*whatever the conversion percentage is-expected points from the game state of Bills starting at 20 (given Ghost kicked em all out of the end zone but 1))+(4th down failure %*expected point scores of game state of Bills starting at 1 yard line)-(expected points from game state of Bills starting at 14 yard line)
Id bet it was between a 5 and 6 point swing.
Know what? He might not have been.Kenny F'ing Powers said:
I just watched the replay and he's heading left off the snap. When he sneaks, more often than not, it is to the right.
Won't say you are absolutely correct, but on review, I'm not sure I am either.
With Vereen and Sudfeld out, Ridley benched, Amendola hobbled by a groin injury, and the Jets defense looking decent, 13 points is insane. It's a flashing red STAY AWAY.SMU_Sox said:
The Patriots will win on Thursday, and perhaps even by 13+ points, but would anyone be surprised if the final score is 20-10 or something?
54thMA said:
I don't really care, but you're tying yourself in knots to see this the way you want to see it.
The two "unlucky bounces" for the Patriots are bad football plays. Regardless of advantages of time of possession or yards gained, if you fumble on a fourth-and-goal on your opponent's 1, and you put the ball on the ground and the opposing D returns it for a score, you have made bad football plays. You don't get to claim that you dominated the game except for those two plays, which were "unlucky." Guess what - the Pats won a close game against an inferior team, and they deserved to win, but the game was closer than it should have been because the Patriots made bad football plays.
By the same token, you can't really call the Jets' win "gift wrapped" when a) the run of commentary, even here on a virulently pro-Pats, anti-Jets board, is that the penalty was warranted; b) from reading the recap and box score, the Jets made enough good plays, and did enough good things, to win a close game (clutch FGs, shutting down Doug Martin, decent passing and running performance by Geno, five sacks, an INT, and a safety from the D; Jets also out-gained and out-TOP'd the Bucs and had fewer penalties).
Again, you seem a lot more emotionally invested in this than me, but to look at these two games and see the Patriots as dominant and the Jets as being handed a win by the refs requires a desire to see it that way. Patriots won by 2; Jets won by 1. End of story. If these games involve the Cardinals and Browns, or some shit, instead of the Jets and Patriots, I don't think we're having this discussion.
Edit: I fully expect the Patriots to cream the Jets on Thursday night.
I really, really hope the Pats beat these fuckers down this weekend. Geno Smith is a douche of epic porportions.
SeoulSoxFan said:
The offense may be a little hobbled, but does anyone not think they are going to eat this Jets O for breakfast?
Wow.SeoulSoxFan said:
(I mean: wow what a dbag
And: wow it's amazing that he's more hateable than Dirty Sanchez)
Montana Fan said:
Lol. Poor Berry. I think 5thMA has been a bit overzealous the past 24 hours (no offense). OTOH, passive aggressive scolding is pretty boring (OCST, you're right, but...)
Wilkerson is a beast. He has looked fantastic so far this year, and I suspect he's trying to take a leadership role. And the Jets MO is to predict wins, just as the old Patriots' MO was to claim disrespect (God I miss Rodney and Tedy). Something about New York provokes bravado even in the hot dog vendors...
I though Geno looked pretty good, in the bits of that game I saw. A few stupid mistakes, but nothing too bad. The Jets certainly did get lucky to win, but their play overall was okay, and the defense looks tough as usual. Rex is a terrific defensive guy. One of the best. I thought he might miss Pettine...I guess we'll see. In a way, both TB and the Jets are images of each other, except that Josh Freeman is Geno four years on...and he's running out of time to become dependable...
Eating opposing offenses for breakfast isn't really the Patriots' style. And I'm not being negative/cynical about the D here - the point is that they're more about avoiding disasters and making the opposition execute consistently in order to beat them.uncannymanny said:
Smith made some nice plays to get the Jets into position at the end of that game but the fact remains that the Jets would have not won had the Tampa defender not lost his mind just before he got flagged.
So, yeah, it was a Bucs gift wrapped special for the Jets but you have to give them credit for getting themselves into a spot when a fluky play like that could happen and generally holding down the Tampa offense for four quarters.
Given the state of the Pats' skill position players right now, any defense that doesn't absolutely suck would cause me concern, and the notion that the Pats are going to win by 13 seems a bit fanciful. Take the under, whatever it is! (Kidding).
So, yeah, it was a Bucs gift wrapped special for the Jets but you have to give them credit for getting themselves into a spot when a fluky play like that could happen and generally holding down the Tampa offense for four quarters.
Given the state of the Pats' skill position players right now, any defense that doesn't absolutely suck would cause me concern, and the notion that the Pats are going to win by 13 seems a bit fanciful. Take the under, whatever it is! (Kidding).
Oh so Amendola is "sure" to miss the Jets game. Nice.
http://nesn.com/2013/09/report-danny-amendola-almost-certain-to-miss-thursdays-game-against-jets-with-groin-injury/
http://nesn.com/2013/09/report-danny-amendola-almost-certain-to-miss-thursdays-game-against-jets-with-groin-injury/
As SJH said, I was at the game and I really disagree with the folks saying this was giftwrapped by the refs. If you want to say it was giftwrapped by anyone, it's the Bucs. They were so undisciplined, it was silly. The first drive had a classic 3rd and 35 for the Bucs because the helmet wasnt picking up audio and Josh Freeman became 100% inept.
The David play where he pushed Geno Smith was beyond stupid. Geno was running at an angle and was clearly headed to the sideline. I thought it was a good call by the refs then and a good call now. I read the Tampa Bay take on the game, the NY take on the game and went o the game with a Bucs STH and I thought it was 100% that the game was won because the Bucs (not the refs) gave it away. Kinda wonder if the folks blaming the refs watched the game?
Anyway, Jets defense looked very good especially in the 2nd half. They did a great job making adjustments. Having said that Cromartie and especially Dee Milliner were total junkshit. Really bad stuff. If you want to look at Thursday and those 2 play the same way, Brady will have fun.
Pats will win on Thursday. I had the Jets pegged for 3-13 before the season but honestly Geno and the defense played better then I thought. Maybe they finish at 5-11 now. Anyway, they ain't beating the Pats at home. I hope I'm wrong and I was wrong on Sunday (thought Bucs would win).
The David play where he pushed Geno Smith was beyond stupid. Geno was running at an angle and was clearly headed to the sideline. I thought it was a good call by the refs then and a good call now. I read the Tampa Bay take on the game, the NY take on the game and went o the game with a Bucs STH and I thought it was 100% that the game was won because the Bucs (not the refs) gave it away. Kinda wonder if the folks blaming the refs watched the game?
Anyway, Jets defense looked very good especially in the 2nd half. They did a great job making adjustments. Having said that Cromartie and especially Dee Milliner were total junkshit. Really bad stuff. If you want to look at Thursday and those 2 play the same way, Brady will have fun.
Pats will win on Thursday. I had the Jets pegged for 3-13 before the season but honestly Geno and the defense played better then I thought. Maybe they finish at 5-11 now. Anyway, they ain't beating the Pats at home. I hope I'm wrong and I was wrong on Sunday (thought Bucs would win).
I haven't said anything directed at Berry, he's a member here and a fan of his team and can say what he wants about them, no point in attacking posters unless you want to get bounced from here .kolbitr said:
The Patriots go into this game banged up pretty badly, Amendola now has a significant groin injury and is out. So he played basically the whole second half and made several terrific catches and is now out.
Vereen is out, Sudfeld has a bum hamstring as does Dobson.
So they're going into this game with a fumble prone back and another who can be timed with a sun dial, a slot receiver and two rookie wide outs, plus one tight end.
So other than that Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play?
This gets worse by the minute offensively, this game is going to be ugly to say the least.
Just find a way to win and survive until Gronk and Vereen get back.
Good post.SeanBerry said:
And I quoted that sentence for accuracy. Indeed, the same could be said about every team that blamed the referees for a loss.
dynomite said:
I still don't agree with the call but wasn't as much of a travesty as the phantom "attacking the center" penalty that gifted 4 points to the Texas on MNF.
Fact is Bucs are a 4-6 win team that had the Jets on the ropes in NJ. But they also didn't do enough to give them a bigger lead, and incredibly left Winslow open for game high 7 rec / 79 yds / 11.3 y/rec on just 8 targets.
Without Kerley, BB takes away the short routes and will dare Smith to beat them with Stephen Hill.
Edit: if you haven't followed Jets closely during camp, you may want to be on the lookout for the surprise of the camp, WR Ryan Spadola.
He's your WSG (White Slot Guy) with size (6'3") who was an UDFA from Lehigh. I was hoping Rex would pull a Woody and release him, so Pats could pick him up. He could be a PIA come Thursday.
The "attacking the center" was the worst call I've ever seen if only because it wasn't a missed call but that's the way the ref felt the play/game should be called.
I was more aghast with each replay.
Finally, I had/have the Bucs closer to a 7-9 win team.
I was more aghast with each replay.
Finally, I had/have the Bucs closer to a 7-9 win team.
Sanchez could have thrown his last pass as a Jet. Mortensen tweets: https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/377999809543544833
"Jets QB Mark Sanchez is likely to have surgery after Dr. James Andrews confirmed he has a labral tear in right shoulder, per league sources"
"Jets QB Mark Sanchez is likely to have surgery after Dr. James Andrews confirmed he has a labral tear in right shoulder, per league sources"
The Jets' O is brutal (for all that we complained about the Pats' receivers, how did Gates / Hill / Spadola / etc. look?), but the D is pretty much the Jets D we've seen the last few years: stout up front, tough to run on, no great individual pass-rusher but good scheme pressure, strong cornerback group. I don't see the Jets as a contender, but they're hardly the 3-13 doormats some folks have them pegged for.