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8th through 14 in the West is separated by only 1 game.

With the Grizz and Blazers losing and the Lakers winning, the Lakers are the 5 seed right now.

Edit: Actually the Grizz pulled their game out and are 0.5 ahead of LAL for the 5th.
 
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This game is insane. After Harris drains a three to go up 113-110 with ~14 seconds left, McCollum goes to the rim for two. Murray gets the ball on the inbound and has a seeming baseline violation with ~ 6 seconds left. It is overturned (he got rid of the ball before stepping out). Then on the next inbound try Murray steps out for sure this time. Blazers inbound the ball but McCollum clanks it off the rim. 113-112 Denver - off to their best start in seven years.
 

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Amazing. The other noteworthy thing from this game was JJJ. Yet another young player who looks like he will make an impact. 36 points on 13-22 shooting and 8 boards. He was +13 for the Grizzlies too. Luka is the clearcut leader for ROY at this early stage but if Jackson can continue to progress on the offensive end in addition to his good defense, watch out.
Jackson is the 3rd youngest player ever to score 30.
 

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Denver needs to get an alpha scorer. Kemba to Denver needs to happen this season.
I've been trying to figure out a trade that would bring Beal to Denver for awhile now. I don't think a Harris package would entice the Wiz and Murray doesn't make enough where you can get contracts to match. Murray might actually entice them too. Denver does have Will Barton returning soon and he's a very underrated player. They'll have IT4 at some point as well. They should both provide some offense.

Denver also has A LOT of youth, and a lot of it doesn't get press. Monte Morris looks like a legit PG with a 3 point shot. He never turns the ball over. Juan Hernangomez has been starting for the last month and has been lights out from deep and fits in well with the overall offense. Malik Beasley looks like a decent scoring option off the bench and Trey Lyles is another young stretch big, although he's struggled a little with his shot this year. Add them to Jokic, Murray and Harris and 8 of their 9 top rotation players are 24 or younger, and Harris is the only one at 24. The entire team is basically still improving. That will change to 8/10 when Barton is back, as he is one of the old men at 27.

Kemba to Denver would be insane but I'm not sure how available Kemba is. I think Jokic is a top 10 player in the league but he's definitely not an alpha scorer. He has scored less than double digits in 6 of his 22 games. Of course Denver is 5-1 in those games, and he averaged 9.2 rebounds and 8.7 assists in 27 minutes of play. The Nuggets had a +11.2 point margin in those games. They've been really good this year but adding an alpha scorer would make them a legit threat.

Not sure what other packages are out there for Beal. I'm with you on Doncic and DSJ but others think it's a bad fit. One of Harrison Barnes/Matthews and DSJ for Beal would work. I'm not sure Dallas wants to mess with things right now that they are doing well.

I wonder if LBJ and the Lakers would be interested in him. I'm not sure if they are allowed to trade Deng, but if they can, they match up salary wise pretty well if the other piece(s) are Ball and Ingram.

I see a lot of teams that would love to have Beal but don't have the players or contracts to match up.
 

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Knicks beat the Bucks in OT. Always nice to remember that we're not the only good team that fucks things up on occasion.
 

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Detroit just hanging on against a Curry-returning Warriors team in Detroit. They are up 8 with 1:40 left after being up 15 two minutes before.
 

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There is so much Bogdanovich in this Kings/Pacers game right now. Just Bogdanovich's all over the place. Bogdanovich here, Bogdanovich there, Bogdanovich everywhere. Bogdanovich's for everyone.

In all seriousness, they are both having awesome games.
 

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I'm not sure if they are allowed to trade Deng, but if they can, they match up salary wise pretty well if the other piece(s) are Ball and Ingram.
The Lakers and Deng agreed on a buyout prior to waiving him. They can't trade the rights to a player that they do not own.
 

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Apparently nobody has noticed the 26min over 3 games that he put up this year for Minn.
I think the problem is that they assumed it was Dieng and that the pimply faced kid in charge of posting the Wolves box score data made errors of omitting vowels and duplicating stat lines.

Or maybe some of us have a problem in that we are fairly familiar with the TWolves roster even though we don't root for the team - its kind of weird. I just know that I am not the only one here who is stoked on the Derrick Rose Resurgence. Sadly, Thibs will grind him, Dieng and Deng to dust before its all over.
 

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I think the problem is that they assumed it was Dieng and that the pimply faced kid in charge of posting the Wolves box score data made errors of omitting vowels and duplicating stat lines.

Or maybe some of us have a problem in that we are fairly familiar with the TWolves roster even though we don't root for the team - its kind of weird. I just know that I am not the only one here who is stoked on the Derrick Rose Resurgence. Sadly, Thibs will grind him, Dieng and Deng to dust before its all over.
My boy was saying the same thing to me last night. If Rose doesn't have a Thibs voodoo doll that he damages slowly every night, he should have one made.

He looks great, and I too am happy to see it.
 

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Hezonja, who was unaware of Antetokounmpo's displeasure, did note the crowd's reaction to his only bucket of the game.

"Honestly, if you're afraid, this is not for you," Hezonja said. "I don't want to be disrespectful, but if you feel fear, this is not the place for you. New York is not a place for you, and this team is not a place for you."
Obviously Hezonja's quote is great if you read it in a Croatian accent, but the end of the first sentence is what really ties it all together.
 

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Bulls fired Hoiberg and replaced him with Jim Boylen.

Bulls are another tire fire of an organization. Markannen and Carter are moderately interesting but there is nothing else there. They need a total top-down tear down. I think only Phoenix and Atlanta are farther from contention.
 

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Bulls fired Hoiberg and replaced him with Jim Boylen.

Bulls are another tire fire of an organization. Markannen and Carter are moderately interesting but there is nothing else there. They need a total top-down tear down. I think only Phoenix and Atlanta are farther from contention.
I think PHO and ATL are far closer to contention than a team like WAS or MIA.
 

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I think PHO and ATL are far closer to contention than a team like WAS or MIA.
It's crazy how badly Riley fucked Miami by mistaking LeBron being DWade's buddy for some sort of Lakers-esque recruiting advantage.

The technical disruption of players' sourcing girls on Instagram rather than clubs probably hurt him a lot as well.
 

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I think PHO and ATL are far closer to contention than a team like WAS or MIA.
Depends on what we are defining as contention. Their books are clean, but at least Washington and Miami have been in the playoffs and could get back this year. Phoenix, Atlanta and Chicago it's hard to even find the road map back. They are years away at best.
 

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Bulls fired Hoiberg and replaced him with Jim Boylen.

Bulls are another tire fire of an organization. Markannen and Carter are moderately interesting but there is nothing else there. They need a total top-down tear down. I think only Phoenix and Atlanta are farther from contention.
Dunn has only been kept from his Hall of Fame trajectory by a few freak injuries.
 

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Depends on what we are defining as contention. Their books are clean, but at least Washington and Miami have been in the playoffs and could get back this year. Phoenix, Atlanta and Chicago it's hard to even find the road map back. They are years away at best.
Well, just squeaking into the playoffs, or perhaps winning one series, is not how I would define contention. I think at the minimum you need to have a decent chance at making the conference finals to even start having the conversation. WAS and MIA were two I just thought of quickly, but they are both in cap hell, have very little in tradebale assets, and do not have anywhere near enough future talent on the roster to improve. And add to that MIA owes their 2021 1st round pick.

And while the road map for ATL and CHI and PHO is not that obvious, they have their own picks (ATL has 3 additional 1st round picks over the next 3 years - PHO has one additional), have cap space to try and convince someone to sign or to take on bad monety for more draft assets.

Anyway - it is an interesting conversation about what team is in fact furthest from contention
 

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I agree with Moops; the team that has already started it's rebuild and landed some young, potentially franchise players and likely to land another top prospect in the next draft is closer to true contention than a franchise that is clearly trending downward but has not come to grips with the reality that they need to begin the tear-down process.
 

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Random scheduling question. They talk about not being able to reduce back-to-backs, but then there are times like now when the Celtics have a 5 day gap in their schedule. Is there no way to space this out a little better?
 

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Random scheduling question. They talk about not being able to reduce back-to-backs, but then there are times like now when the Celtics have a 5 day gap in their schedule. Is there no way to space this out a little better?
I hope that they don't change it. IMO early on like this, I'd rather three or four days between games. This allows day one for shootaround and walkthrough, and a couple of days to work on actions, make adjustments, team bonding, etc. Every other day is probably easier on player psyche, but then those between days are only recovery days and light work. Even the veterans on our team are young guys besides Al. A solid 2-3 days of practice time is invaluable. If I were GSW with that schedule, I'd be ripshit.
 

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I hope that they don't change it. IMO early on like this, I'd rather three or four days between games. This allows day one for shootaround and walkthrough, and a couple of days to work on actions, make adjustments, team bonding, etc. Every other day is probably easier on player psyche, but then those between days are only recovery days and light work. Even the veterans on our team are young guys besides Al. A solid 2-3 days of practice time is invaluable. If I were GSW with that schedule, I'd be ripshit.
+1, and back-to-backs aren't nearly as big a deal when there's this much rest around them. Fatigue didn't look to be an issue at all for the Celtics on Saturday, even with the crappy flight in between.
 

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I hope that they don't change it. IMO early on like this, I'd rather three or four days between games. This allows day one for shootaround and walkthrough, and a couple of days to work on actions, make adjustments, team bonding, etc. Every other day is probably easier on player psyche, but then those between days are only recovery days and light work. Even the veterans on our team are young guys besides Al. A solid 2-3 days of practice time is invaluable. If I were GSW with that schedule, I'd be ripshit.
I'd agree with this. The Celtics upcoming schedule defies logic though, Home then Away, every other day, for the next 10 days. Seems like homestands followed by road trips would be a little more efficient.
 

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And with seven seconds left and the game tied at 103, Ibaka gets called for a holding foul on an inbounds. Jokic hits the FT. Joker then gets fouled on the subsequent inbounds. He hits the other two and Lowry misses a three to tie. Nuggets 106, Raps 103 in Toronto. Denver has won six in a row.

They need one more scorer. Kemba has to happen this year.
 

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T-Wolves have roped in the Rockets after being down 19 in first half, up 12 now.

CP3 with 2pts. $160MM over the next 4 seasons, ouch

Tilman Fertitta, welcome to the NBA
 

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Or you know, just Will Barton and Isaiah Thomas?
The former is a nice piece but he isn't a go-to when a team needs buckets. And I am, perhaps, the biggest Thomas fan in this forum of friendlies and its unclear what he can give this team.

The Nuggets need another volume scorer who can take over games. The Hornets have one who is cheap and, by all accounts, isn't a fit for their rebuilding timeline. Denver has some assets to make a deal. Not that it will happen but it should.
 

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Good game in the big easy. With under a minute left and the Pels down 125-123. Jrue misses a three, Harrell rebounds it and gets fouled. He then misses his two FTs. Davis gets fouled trying to grab the board on the second missed FT and hits one of his shots. 125-124 with 31 seconds to go.
 

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In my head, I'm picturing Jaylen and Mook getting called for things not even in the same neighborhood as this travel. Seems like JB catches 1-2 BS travel calls a game on this move even when he does put the ball on the court.

 

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Clips win in New Orleans 129-126. They continue to roll too and keep pace with the other Western conference titan in Denver at 16-7.
 

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+1, and back-to-backs aren't nearly as big a deal when there's this much rest around them. Fatigue didn't look to be an issue at all for the Celtics on Saturday, even with the crappy flight in between.
Yeah B2B's aren't the issue it was the 5 games in 7 days with travel every night that is draining. The players are trained to play every day it's the other stuff that wears them down.
 

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Giannis - EC Player of the Month

Tobias - WC Player of the Month

Both very well deserved even though it's slightly ridiculous LeBron or Davis didn't win in the WC.
 
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Tobias - WC Player of the Month
Hmmm...

Player A: 22.1 pts on .639 ts / 8.7 reb / 2.6 ast / 0.4 blk / 0.5 stl (in 14 games, 35.4 mpg)
Player B: 31.6 pts on .610 ts / 8.4 reb / 6.1 ast / 1.4 blk / 0.9 stl (in 14 games, 36.0 mpg)

In a blind taste test I think most voters would choose B (Durant) over A (Harris), but I guess I should be happy that in this case they seem to have opted for efficiency, plus-minus, and team W-L over traditional/fantasy stats. And in the event of a close call, I'm not averse to them "spreading the wealth" by honoring a really good player who's been toiling in obscurity for too long.
 

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Or you know, just Will Barton and Isaiah Thomas?
They have a lot of decent scorers but none of it is elite. Murray has the potential to be. I think there team is more built for the regular season but if they traded for a Kemba or Beal, they'd be much more of a playoff threat. None of the guys they have now really demand 2 defenders. Kemba would do just that and Denver has the shooters in place to take advantage.
 

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Kings up 27-6 against the Suns in Phoenix with 1:50 left in the first.

edit: 1st quarter ends 36-9. Suns 3-16 from the field, 0-8 from 3, 3-6 from the line.
 

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In the process of getting my Luka fix, my NBA sickness has taken hold and I am now becoming a Dorian Finney-Smith fan of sorts. Undrafted out of Florida back in 2016, the Mavs picked him up and have developed him into a very useful three and D wing. The guy's stats are pretty unremarkable though he is shooting 38.5% from deep and is averaging 11.5 points, 5.6 boards and 1.6 steals per 36. His BPM is also +1.6. And per the eye test, the guy is your classic high energy, contest everything, crash every board type.

In short, I love guys like this who claw their way into the league and then make a strong case to be rotation players. At $1.5mm this year, the Mavs can either keep him and re-up him after the season as a homegrown role player or throw him into a deal (with say, Harrison Barnes) if they have a shot at picking up future assets.

Even if you buy the idea that DSJ isn't a fit with this team, Donnie Nelson and the Dallas front-office have made some good moves over the past few years.

EDIT: DFS's stats above are per 36 to be clear.
 
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In the process of getting my Luka fix, my NBA sickness has taken hold and I am now becoming a Dorian Finney-Smith fan of sorts. Undrafted out of Florida back in 2016, the Mavs picked him up and have developed him into a very useful three and D wing. The guy's stats are pretty unremarkable though he is shooting 38.5% from deep and is averaging 11.5 points, 5.6 boards and 1.6 steals per game. His BPM is also +1.6. And per the eye test, the guy is your classic high energy, contest everything, crash every board type.

In short, I love guys like this who claw their way into the league and then make a strong case to be rotation players. At $1.5mm this year, the Mavs can either keep him and re-up him after the season as a homegrown role player or throw him into a deal (with say, Harrison Barnes) if they have a shot at picking up future assets.

Even if you buy the idea that DSJ isn't a fit with this team, Donnie Nelson and the Dallas front-office have made some good moves over the past few years.
Rick Carlisle coaches up his players as well as anybody, with the exception of Pop and maybe Spoelstra. A lot of their rotation players (Finney-Smith, Powell, Barea, Kleber) were under-the-radar acquisitions but Carlisle gets those guys playing good, smart basketball.