That's considerably more than they gave up last year to get him, no? Casas and Bello are both more proven than anything the Nats got, and you're giving up two high level prospects in addition?
Not suggesting a trade, but BTV has Casas, Bello, and Soto at almost the same value.
I wouldn't either, I just think it's what the Padres would ask for. And I don’t think they’d settle for much less, they’d probably just keep him instead.
Yeah, just to clarify, I had Anthony/Bleis as an either or and not both. But I do think Casas would have to headline it with some combination of Anthony/Bleis/Yorke/Drohan, etc. following.
I saw that, too. Isn’t it an overpay on our part or am I overvaluing our guys? I think it’s just me overvaluing Rafaela and Bleis. Now, if we follow his plan and keep something from the Paxton and/or Verdugo deals, I’d be more interested. I’d love Roberts’ bat, but can he handle RF in Fenway?
Presumably they only would if it's better than the package for each individually.
I think this is correct.
That proposed idea absolutely is an overpay. And an overpay is probably what it will take to get the White Sox to bite. As Rosenthal points out, listening to offers is not the same as seeking to trade the players away. A GM wouldn't be doing his due diligence to not listen and see what the best offers might be. That doesn't mean he has to take any of them.
He’s had such a weird career too. Seems like he changes who he is as a hitter from year to year. He started out as a guy who struck out a lot and then he really cut down on it but the slugging suffered. And now, he seems to be selling out for power so the homers are back but the K’s are up too.
You're overvaluing our guys. Luis Robert is one of the best contracts in baseball (#14 via Fangraphs). The Sox don't even have anyone in the top 50, so I don't think they could pull off Robert alone \ without giving up a bunch of blue chippers. Bleis has had a lost season, and Yorke's stock is falling. If I'm the White Sox, I want a sure thing.
I think BTV undervalues Paxton in this market, but not by so much as to make this a reasonable trade.
Ya, meant to amend that to whatever returns they'd get for Paxton and Verdugo which for the former I'd hope would be worth more.
Would Bleis and Verdugo have to be driven to the same airport or different airports?
No, but aren't we trying to sell that?
Agreed. I think there will be a trade or two but that it’ll primarily be a move with 2024 and beyond in mind. Would be surprised if any of the top prospects get moved.
I think anything they do to address second base, whether it's today or during the off-season, will be a short term thing. With the number of middle infield prospects in the pipeline (10 in Sox Prospects top 25), I very much doubt Bloom is going to over-invest in the spot. This is why it's possible that they just go another year with the committee approach (Arroyo, Chang, Reyes, Turner, Valdez, trade/free agent of similar level/caliber, etc) until one of the blue chippers arrives.
Nice , thanks.
Is there a tldr for those of us for whom xitter is a broken garbage site where threads don't load?
Not untouchable for controllable pitching - Yorke, Rafaela
It just breaks down prospects who could potentially be traded into various groups.
Returns for Paxton are very likely to be mediocre. He’s a pure rental. I fully expect Bloom to mostly hold and maybe make a marginal upgrade somewhere like 2B or back of rotation and hope the return of Sale/Story can get this team on a heater in August.
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Makes sense on paper somewhat ( though Devers not having a great year he’s not a butcher and Casas needs reps to develop) but concerned that (over)playing Turner in the field might wear down his bat.
I read the opposite, but trusting Heyman's reporting probably wasn't a great job by me.
Apparently the Phillies are very interested in both Paxton and Duvall...I wouldn't be surprised if the Sox could get quite a haul from DD for those two
Hard no from me on this.
I don't know if this is true! Takes two to tango of course, but the Giolito and Scherzer were rentals and their returns were pretty hefty, and Paxton theoretically has more suitors because of his cost.
I kind of think something bigger will happen. As awful as these last three close losses have felt, the Sox haven't lost any ground to the Blue Jays. They look suddenly more vulnerable with injuries to Bichette and Romano, and we play them next. The Wild Card race could easily be dead even in a week.
Good lord, no. Very few players I would trade Casas for, and he isn't one of them
This is right. The guy is 38 years old and they're playing him all over the infield (he also hurt his foot last night). Letting him DH a few times a week is going to keep him healthy.
I was thinking Schwarber and Nola....we already know Schwarber is liked in the clubhouse!!
You're right, thanks. Scherzer wasn't a rental. Still a unique situation, his contract is so prohibitive that I'd still say Paxton's a more valuable asset.
If DD is at all willing to trade Mick Abel, I'd be interested to offer what I could to fill in the gap. Not sure what else from their roster or system would make sense though. They're not trading Bryson Stott. We're probably not trading for Justin Crawford.
I think the major storyline today will end up being whether Verlander will waive his no trade for Baltimore.
If they're really just focused on a defensive upgrade, couldn't they shift Chang there?
