Johnny Manziel on and off the field

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For those that can't see the Johnny Manziel news via our website, here is what we posted:

Johnny Manziel update:

We all know Vegas stories can get extremely crazy involving celebrities. This is going to sound wild, and maybe hard to believe, but this is what we’re hearing regarding Johnny Manziel.

Our sources tell us Manziel was at a popular night club on the strip Saturday night. The QB entered wearing a blonde wig, a fake mustache, glasses, and a hoodie.

Manziel introduced himself as “Billy.” He was there into the 3am hour and when it came time to pay the bill, he asked to have it comped because he didn’t bring cash and also didn’t want to put it on his card.


However, the sources tell us he ended up paying with his card and signing the check.

By 3am he appeared to be enjoying the party scene that Vegas is known to offer.

The club had Manziel and his crew placed at a VIP table close to the DJ booth. The table is located in one of the darkest areas of the club.

Manziel dined at the club’s restaurant before going to the nightclub. He was seated at the most private area in the restaurant, which is still out in the open. And yes, he ate with his wig and glasses on.
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http://www.lvsportsnetwork.com/2016/01/04/breaking-johnny-manziel-hits-the-strip-in-disguise/
 
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So despite all of his efforts to remain anonymous, at the end of the night, this man with an $8.25 million guaranteed contract was a prick over money, virtually guaranteeing that the story would be leaked. Good job, good effort.

Johnny, the reason you are often comped at clubs is because you're famous and people fucking know you're there. It doesn't really work that way if you wear a disguise.
 

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He didn't want to sign because the servers would then read his name on the card.
But asking for a comp also reveals his identity. I don't buy it.

Edit (not worth another post): I get that a manager might be more trustworthy, but if he thinks the bottle girl isn't going to find out why she doesn't need to collect the bill, he's a fool. More likely: he didn't want to pay.
 
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My guess is he figured he could trust a manager or whomever approves comps over someone else. Regardless, he's an idiot, which I think we both agree on.
 

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So, 22 year old dude parties in Vegas after the seasons over and is news why?
 

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Saturday night, right (that's what it says above)? Season wasn't over yet if that's the case. Plus hanging out in a club is not a good look for a guy who checked himself into rehab earlier this year.

I'm totally in the camp of guys have the right to enjoy their time away from the game, and maybe Johnny Football doesn't give a rats ass about the NFL anymore which is his right, but assuming for a second the guy actually wants to have a career in the league, this story isn't going to help him which is why, if true, he was partying in disguise.
 

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So, 22 year old dude parties in Vegas after the seasons over and is news why?
It was the night before the last game, and he missed a mandatory concussion check up the next morning. I'd say that's news.

http://www.ohio.com/sports/zips/browns-quarterback-johnny-manziel-misses-scheduled-treatment-for-concussion-owner-says-new-bigwigs-will-decide-whether-he-remains-on-team-1.651944

At this point, it's kind of sad. He likely has a serious problem if he cannot hold off for 1 more weekend, at a time when any dumb decision could be extremely detrimental to his career.
 

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This has to be intentional to force his way out of Cleveland, right? His parents/agent/friends must have talked to Jerrah and been told that he has to get cut to escape from Cleveland and go to Dallas where he wants to be, because the Cowboys aren't trading a pick for him. There is no other explanation that makes sense. I don't buy that even JFF is this stupid or out of control.
 

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This has to be intentional to force his way out of Cleveland, right? His parents/agent/friends must have talked to Jerrah and been told that he has to get cut to escape from Cleveland and go to Dallas where he wants to be, because the Cowboys aren't trading a pick for him. There is no other explanation that makes sense. I don't buy that even JFF is this stupid.
That's pretty flimsy, if you ask me. There are far better ways to force your way out of town that don't involve completely demolishing what little credibility you have left. And then compounding the problem by missing the mandatory concussion check? I imagine the league might have something to say about that (insert Roger Goodell joke here).

Occam's Razor suggests this incident is just a product of an immature kid who doesn't give a fuck. Considering the body of evidence we have for this guy, I'd say that is the correct answer.
 

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So, 22 year old dude parties in Vegas after the seasons over and is news why?
Cause not that long ago he checked himself into rehab?

It's too bad because there was progress on the field this year. Not monumental but progress reported nonetheless.

Some people can't get out of their own way and seem destined to throw it all away. Not putting him in the same category from a talent standpoint by any means -- but see John Daly. Immense talent wasted is one of the great tragedies of the human condition.
 

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Trying to be sneaky with his #saturdaynights caption. Taken from his instagram.

Although I guess he could have taken this either before or after he got home.

Edited to make pic smaller
 
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In Texas, his father can pay (or threaten) people to cover for him. Like he always did at A&M.
 

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That's pretty flimsy, if you ask me. There are far better ways to force your way out of town that don't involve completely demolishing what little credibility you have left. And then compounding the problem by missing the mandatory concussion check? I imagine the league might have something to say about that (insert Roger Goodell joke here).

Occam's Razor suggests this incident is just a product of an immature kid who doesn't give a fuck. Considering the body of evidence we have for this guy, I'd say that is the correct answer.
I would be curious to hear what you think his other options are to force his way out? Avoid the offseason program? Hold out at camp? How does any of that put leverage on ownership? Cleveland has just cleaned house in the coaching and front office areas. Johnny demonstrating that he will continue to be a headline risk going forward is his best play to get Cleveland to rid themselves of this headache and start fresh with the new regime.
 

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I would be curious to hear what you think his other options are to force his way out? Avoid the offseason program? Hold out at camp? How does any of that put leverage on ownership?
I hear choking your coach is a surefire way to get out of your contract and still, somehow, remain a viable player in the league.
 

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Somewhere around the last relapse, my feelings went from schadenfraude to sadness. Manziel is an addict. It's by far the most logical explanation for his confounding behavior over the past few months.
 

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Somewhere around the last relapse, my feelings went from schadenfraude to sadness. Manziel is an addict. It's by far the most logical explanation for his confounding behavior over the past few months.
That's my guess as well. Either he's a pretty serious addict or he's such a fuckface that he's letting down everbody in his life while giving up the opportunity to have one of the greatest jobs in the world* doing something he appears to love and has spent most of his life building towards.

*YMMV on how good a job it is. I'd rather be Lucasian professor of mathematics or take Robert Parker's job and salary, but you get the point.
 

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Somewhere around the last relapse, my feelings went from schadenfraude to sadness. Manziel is an addict. It's by far the most logical explanation for his confounding behavior over the past few months.
He may be an addict. He may also be a victim of Todd Marinovich syndrome, rebelling against the carefully laid plans his parents have for him. (Although it's worth noting that Marinovich's acting out evolved from rebellion into full-blown addiction over the course of a few years.)

I do agree that his problems appear to be more than just garden-variety irresponsibility.
 

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Nah, you want him in 2017 when he is in Dallas, beyond all accountability and fully enabled on his home turf. It will be hard for him to really reach the top of his self destructive potential while he is stuck in Cleveland.

I just want to see the trifecta of Greg Hardy, Dez Bryant and JFF on the same team. I don't think Dez is a bad guy like both Hardy and JFF are, but that really seems to be the perfect mix of lack of emotional control under enabling leadership that will create some amazing fireworks.
 

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It is quite possible that he is done, at least for a year. Jurrah is about as big an enabler as it gets, but even he has limits, and if it is an addiction problem, it is a hell of a lot more serious than anything he had to put up with with Dez. And as I understand it, the Cowboys basically had a few guys living with Dez 24/7 for a full season after things got out of hand.

This guy, given the nature of his position and because he still needs a lot of work, just isn't worth the investment. Teams may tell him to stay sober for a year then check back.
 

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Cause not that long ago he checked himself into rehab?

It's too bad because there was progress on the field this year. Not monumental but progress reported nonetheless.

Some people can't get out of their own way and seem destined to throw it all away. Not putting him in the same category from a talent standpoint by any means -- but see John Daly. Immense talent wasted is one of the great tragedies of the human condition.
People say this and it doesn't align with the reality that he was always one of the least accurate players on Tour. Both off the tee and in general. He didn't hit fairways and missed a lot of greens even before his personal life started proving to be an issue. After Tiger Woods arrived and overpowered the Tour people looked at Daly's distance, decent putter and two major wins, and just assumed it was personal problems that kept him from being an all-time great. The fact that he was one of the worst ball-strikers out there surely was the biggest thing holding him back.
 

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People say this and it doesn't align with the reality that he was always one of the least accurate players on Tour. Both off the tee and in general. He didn't hit fairways and missed a lot of greens even before his personal life started proving to be an issue. After Tiger Woods arrived and overpowered the Tour people looked at Daly's distance, decent putter and two major wins, and just assumed it was personal problems that kept him from being an all-time great. The fact that he was one of the worst ball-strikers out there surely was the biggest thing holding him back.
Not to take this too far afield--oh, OK, I am--but Daly's problems date to the early 90's, well before Butch Harmon canned him and the public began to realize he had "a problem." No telling what his ball-striking might have looked like with a little more focus, and while winning one major doesn't mean you're capable of two, winning two almost certainly means you're capable of 3+.

As for Johnny Football, hard to tell from a distance whether is substance abuse, personality issues or generic pissed-off-at-daddy in play. I think he's a giant dick, but it's sad to see someone with his talent burn himself to the ground.
 
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Are we seriously using the word "IF" in terms of Johnny Football being an addict? Nobody really knows anybody and all that, blah blah blah, but is this really up for debate?
 

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Are we seriously using the word "IF" in terms of Johnny Football being an addict? Nobody really knows anybody and all that, blah blah blah, but is this really up for debate?
It is worth noting that he has yet to trigger the public phase of the substance abuse policy and it is possible he's never flunked one drug test.

In related news, Josh Gordon might be back next season.
 

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It is worth noting that he has yet to trigger the public phase of the substance abuse policy and it is possible he's never flunked one drug test.

In related news, Josh Gordon might be back next season.
Well if booze is his demon, the NFl wouldn't be testing that unless he was popped for a DUI that I don't recall.
 

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Manziel, like most rich young people, appears to have old acquaintances and "friends" who enable him. No shit he wants to go home to Dallas; that's where his bro buddies are and where he has a built-in safe zone of people who will tell him he's great, as long as the money lasts.

The last fucking thing that he needs is to go to Dallas. He needs to cut bait with probably 90% of his non-football acquaintances.
 

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Manziel, like most rich young people, appears to have old acquaintances and "friends" who enable him. No shit he wants to go home to Dallas; that's where his bro buddies are and where he has a built-in safe zone of people who will tell him he's great, as long as the money lasts.

The last fucking thing that he needs is to go to Dallas. He needs to cut bait with probably 90% of his non-football acquaintances.
It worked out well for Aaron Hernandez!
 

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Fort Worth police said in a statement Saturday that officers were called to an apartment building around 2 a.m. about a possible assault. Police talked to a 23-year-old woman, who was not the caller, who said she had been involved in an incident earlier in the evening with her ex-boyfriend in Dallas. A preliminary investigation determined that a possible assault had occurred, though the woman refused to cooperate with officers and there was no evidence of a crime scene.

The woman also told officers she was concerned about her ex-boyfriend's welfare. Police officers attempted to locate him and later determined that he was safe and not in danger.

Fort Worth police said they are working with Dallas police to determine if any criminal offenses occurred.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14678168/police-called-investigate-incident-involving-cleveland-browns-quarterback-johnny-manziel

I really thought this kid was harmless; a star college QB that did a bit too much partying, which was understandable for a college kid. What a shame, I think he'd be a really good pro QB with some discipline, and still could be. He can't keep blowing chances at this rate, though.
 

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He has never had discipline in his life, his father is a prick who made everyone bow to Johnny. This behavior will never charge, it's bred into his family.

I know them personally.
 

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At this point, we're just waiting for the final act. There is a 0.0000000001% chance his story ends positively.
 

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PFT reporting that the police had a helicopter looking for Johnny based on concerns for his well being.

I think he is done in the NFL. There is no way you turn the keys over to a guy like this. There is no way you put up with this bullshit from a back up.

If he were to go to Canada, sober up, grow up and star there, he'd get another chance here. But good luck with that.
 

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It's been awhile since I've seen such a clear example of addiction and enabling and douchebaggery in a professional athlete. (Or is it?) Honestly, it's such a stereotypical example of "you keep fucking up until you die" - with SO many incidents it's hard to imagine no one in his circle, even the most enabling-est, has thought to themselves, "This is DEFINITELY the shame spiral, we should probably do something."