Johnny Manziel on and off the field
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kelpapa said:
Stitch01 said:
Could not agree more with all of the above.Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt said:
maufman said:
Or, I don't know, maybe he has a legitimate problem and needs some help before he goes the way of Josh Gordon and keeps getting suspended for drug infractions.
maufman said:
Does it? I understand addiction is a disease, he should get help, treatment is good, the guy should get his life together, etc., but we're talking about a very specific career here: NFL QB. One of the things that makes Brady so successful is not only that he's the hardest worker and the hardest competitor but also that he's a credible leader. He needs to be the guy that everyone in the lockerroom looks up to and trusts with the game on the line. I'm not trying to romanticize shit, but it's got to be harder to do that as a recovering addict.
Does every player get tested at least once during the year? If so, how's he pass the drug tests?
Marciano490 said:
Once, on a date you're informed of ahead of time*. Only after you flunk the one test that you're allowed to study for are you "in the program". Draftees, at the combine.
Anyone failing a test has no discipline. Hernandez beat this system.
*You can also get "randomly" tested like Earl Thomas was last week. However, that process is murky and shady as all hell. Thomas gets tested...Ray "Deer Antler Spray" Lewis did not.
Oh, I'm sure this is all true. If Manziel had an impressive rookie year, this would be bad news for his football prospects. But Manziel isn't the football version of Darryl Strawberry or Dwight Gooden -- his rookie year was so bad that pretty much anything that explains his failure and has the potential to be different going forward should be welcome news for the Browns and their fans.Jnai said:
Thomas got tested under the new HGH testing that came in this year, separate system where a computer spits out a list of 6 players off 8 teams every week.soxfan121 said:
Only a recovering addict who stays clean. Let's hope he is willing to listen and do whatever it takes.drleather2001 said:
The First Step is the hardest I suppose. I hope he gets his shit together. Pulling for him and anyone who is willing to try. First and foremost he needs to be " a better person". He's got a lot more living to do after Johnny Football fades away.
Okay, that being said; I'm not betting on him. I think his personality is what it is. But I'm pulling for him. But yeah, Ryan Fucking Leaf.
Okay, that being said; I'm not betting on him. I think his personality is what it is. But I'm pulling for him. But yeah, Ryan Fucking Leaf.
Actually in my experience, the second step is the most critical step.mauidano said:
In his case moreso as he is in a facility, so I imagine he is clean now for at least the time since he checked in 5-6 days ago. Now the reality is that very few addicts (if he is one) stay clean after their first time seeking or being forced into getting help.
Very few. Maybe 1 in 20 stay clean for a month and at best, 1 in 50 stay clean for a year.
At best
So it is extremely essential that an addict deeply understand the insanity of active addiction and realize that their part in it is ALL of it. If that's the case, there is chance of having a second step.
Jnai said:
This is the stupidest thing I've ever read. You can't be a leader b/c you don't drink and do drugs? You know who was sober and a QB? Brett Favre. Say what you will about him, his players would run through brick walls for him.
Papelbon's Poutine said:
I think that was johnmd's point. He went into rehab, got clean, and still had the respect of his teammates.
Based solely on an assemblage of anecdotal knowledge about Manziel gleaned mostly through two paragraph espn.com articles, I think this whole thing is predominantly PR driven. His propensity to spend too much time at the bars seems far more driven by immaturity than by any fundamental addiction that he just can't conquer on his own. He's even made comments in the past that almost sound like him acknowledging that he fully intends to fuck around for a few years before getting serious.
This is a gesture that gives him not a clean slate, but perhaps a fresh start with the Browns. And the experience may set him on the road to making more mature decisions. I just don't think he's conquering any major demons here beyond being a immature kid who's facing higher standards and more accountability than he has in the past.
May be cynical, but that's my take on this.
This is a gesture that gives him not a clean slate, but perhaps a fresh start with the Browns. And the experience may set him on the road to making more mature decisions. I just don't think he's conquering any major demons here beyond being a immature kid who's facing higher standards and more accountability than he has in the past.
May be cynical, but that's my take on this.
Jnai said:
Yes. It was especially surprising to read such an uninformed comment from someone who is as overly thoughtful as you. Everyone has a blind spot.
johnmd20 said:
Huh. In all seriousness, I didn't realize it was so outlandish of an opinion, and certainly not "the stupidest thing ever read". It's a job with extreme media scrutiny, incredible access to wealth, drugs and alcohol, and a position in which you've got to be a credible leader for an entire organization.
Lots of rumors going around that the Browns are trying to trade Manziel (talk about selling low) and interested in trading up for Mariota, which would no doubt cost them a bundle, including both of their first round picks.
Imagine an alternative universe where they had drafted Odell Beckham and Teddy Bridgewater last year with their first rounders...
Being a Browns fan must be so awful.
Imagine an alternative universe where they had drafted Odell Beckham and Teddy Bridgewater last year with their first rounders...
Being a Browns fan must be so awful.
Just a complete nightmare since they re-entered the League. A new owner who barely escapes indictment and everything else the last 18 months or so. They define churn and burn.
Making it worse, they have had individuals in there with talent from time to time. For example, I think Holmgren was overrated, but you have to acknowledge he is professional. Nothing seems to work, and they can't get out of their own way.
If this rumor is true, it's going to suck for the Eagles too.
Grain of salt...
Sports Buzz OHIO @ClevelandBadGuy 3m3 minutes ago
WOW BREAKING NEWS: @TheRealTRizzo said a source very close to him said Johnny Manziel will not play in the 2015 @NFL season #SameOldBrowns
Sports Buzz OHIO @ClevelandBadGuy 3m3 minutes ago
WOW BREAKING NEWS: @TheRealTRizzo said a source very close to him said Johnny Manziel will not play in the 2015 @NFL season #SameOldBrowns
RedOctober3829 said:
There are 5 Gronk brothers, right? How many shirts do you think they own between them? At any given time of day, how may of the 5 do you think are wearing a shirt? Games and practices don't count.
Looks like "our" Gronk is in the background there.
People/places/things... doesn't look like Manziel learned anything in rehab...
People/places/things... doesn't look like Manziel learned anything in rehab...
As a guy I know has said, he might as well have used if he hasn't already. People places and thingsDrewDawg said:
In that position, he just wasting some good get high time
Sad to day it looks like he is doomed
Robert Goon is Rob Gronkowski's right hand man so to speak. I think he lives with him and gained fame as the "Gronk Party Bus" driver.DrewDawg said:
http://www.newsnet5.com/sports/police-report-johnny-manziel-pulled-over-during-domestic-argument-admits-to-drinking
Not the greatest look after getting out of rehab. Mildly surprised he wasn't single though.
Not the greatest look after getting out of rehab. Mildly surprised he wasn't single though.
It's Josh of course. Based on my experience, I find this latest incident sad. Especially since so many assume that it's *just* alcohol. The guy was in rehab and any use of alcohol or other drugs means it's much more than a minor incident. What it really means is his life is a total fucking disaster and he is doomed unless he understands this. Based on his comments, he is in total denial.dcmissle said:
Honest question, not meant to be snarky... Isn't it possible that his rehab was a PR move and he isn't an alcoholic, but just needed to look like he was taking responsibility for being an ass?Dahabenzapple2 said:
Always possible but very few non-addicts/non-alcoholics end up in drug/alcohol rehab for whatever reason. It is very likely that Manziel *thinks* he isn't an addict/alcoholic. This is exceptionally common - even for those who are homeless/toothless/destitute, etc. This is called denial.PC Drunken Friar said:
Dahabenzapple2 said:
Exactly. That the police didn't arrest him for driving under the influence, or public intoxication is ... strange. That they were able to determine - during a traffic stop - her injuries were not enough to investigate is ... weird.
Sounds like the bad old days of cops letting athletes walk away from crimes is alive & well in Cleveland.
To paraphrase - I was sober, just an argument.
He admitted to having 2 drinks earlier in the day
That is a classic lie that has been used for the history of time. I would at least say I had a few. So he *may* have literally been "sober" if he was telling the truth but I'm sure no 70 day rehab has drinking alcohol as any part of a suggested aftercare or lifestyle. If he's a cocaine user - which is what I think he does along with drinking alcohol which is the plan for many of us while we are using, then even two drinks is just a start. Doomed.
He admitted to having 2 drinks earlier in the day
That is a classic lie that has been used for the history of time. I would at least say I had a few. So he *may* have literally been "sober" if he was telling the truth but I'm sure no 70 day rehab has drinking alcohol as any part of a suggested aftercare or lifestyle. If he's a cocaine user - which is what I think he does along with drinking alcohol which is the plan for many of us while we are using, then even two drinks is just a start. Doomed.
This isn't good:
@Deadspin: Adam Schefter's Facebook post on Johnny Manziel is very similar to WEWS' original report: http://t.co/tx5LxsvcgC
@Deadspin: Adam Schefter's Facebook post on Johnny Manziel is very similar to WEWS' original report: http://t.co/tx5LxsvcgC
