Good. The summer is when the deals will start flying.
Well regardless of how one views Boston as a destination for mid to high end Free Agents this summer the value of cap space drops considerably as most teams will now have plenty of it. You don't have the advantage of competing with 6-7 teams with max player space this summer......that number should be around 20 teams this year so it isn't any great shakes even if you thought cap space was an out for us (I don't). Last year it got us Amir, awesome.Did Felger also state that the cap is crap?
Last year was a bit suppressed because everybody was waiting for this summer's FA frenzy. I'm expecting a decent amount of activity this year once teams start getting shut out of their FA targets.Thought that last year too. Tobias Harris has been the biggest trade since the last deadline, that or Nic Batum. I'm sure Ainge has been trying, but the market has been really dry for a while now.
Well regardless of how one views Boston as a destination for mid to high end Free Agents this summer the value of cap space drops considerably as most teams will now have plenty of it. You don't have the advantage of competing with 6-7 teams with max player space this summer......that number should be around 20 teams this year so it isn't any great shakes even if you thought cap space was an out for us (I don't). Last year it got us Amir, awesome.
That would be good. Kevin McHale as a trading partner would also help.Makes the presence of a good/respected coach and organization and team seemingly on the rise more valuable.
He'll have to get a job firstKevin McHale as a trading partner would also help.
I was thinking more of attractiveness to FAs viz the impact of the higher salary cap. Since everyone has the cash, it might be about other things.That would be good. Kevin McHale as a trading partner would also help.
Felger beating the dead horse has you thinking the Celtics have no assets, just liabilities.
Happy Celts didn't rent.
It's been this way for a while. When it's money alone that matters they don't leave the hometown team, which is why 'Melo is still a Knick and DeRozan looks likely to remain a Raptor. But the worm has clearly turned, and players no longer make their decisions on the quality of the nightlife or the name of the franchise. The Lakers seemingly haven't learned this lesson yet.I was thinking more of attractiveness to FAs viz the impact of the higher salary cap. Since everyone has the cash, it might be about other things.
There's no way they trade a top 2 pick. Historically, how many times has that ever even happened?If they land a top 2 pick I think that can be flipped for an under contract star (Griffin/Cousins level) along with other assets and then maybe convince the third wheel to join via FA.
It did just happen less than twelve months ago. Then you've got Webber and David Thompson. Beyond that a long time ago, a Celtic named Chuck Share. Two other #1s never played in the league but for different reasons.There's no way they trade a top 2 pick. Historically, how many times has that ever even happened?
Wow. Couldn't have been for a rental like Horford or Howard. Will be interesting to see if it leaks.Ainge was on Toucher and Rich and said that a team backed out of a big trade with them at the last minute. He said that both sides were pondering the trade offer for 2 days but at the last minute the other side pulled the plug. He mentioned that the '16 Brooklyn pick was in play.
He could also be talking out of the side of his mouth as he's been prone to in the past. There is another report that a GM tried contacting Ainge on Wednesday and that all those Boston deals involving the pick and big names had already been off the table.Ainge was on Toucher and Rich and said that a team backed out of a big trade with them at the last minute. He said that both sides were pondering the trade offer for 2 days but at the last minute the other side pulled the plug. He mentioned that the '16 Brooklyn pick was in play.
Mystery team! Any potential deals for a player with term can be revisited in the summer, or next deadline, or next summer, basically for as long as we have Brooklyn's picks (and the Memphis pick after that!).Info Ainge gave me indicated #Celtics near-deal did NOT involve Horford, Howard, Griffin, Love or other previously reported stars.
The reason those trades are rare is because the team with the top 2 pick is usually terrible, so trading for an older, established star with a big contract doesn't make much sense. As you noted with Wiggins, when the team with the pick is trying to contend immediately, it can be a very different situation. The Celtics are potentially in that camp.It did just happen less than twelve months ago. Then you've got Webber and David Thompson. Beyond that a long time ago, a Celtic named Chuck Share. Two other #1s never played in the league but for different reasons.
Agree with your point, if they know they have a top two with this class of Simmons and Imgran, there's no way they trade it. Especially with the structures and year limits on NBA contracts -plus the impending spike in salary cap room - you don't trade rookies like those and their contracts/control for guys that are already making real money and close to FA.
Hayward is my left-field guess.Possibly a player like Justise Winslow, Okafor, Noel...
When can teams begin making trades again?
After The Finals or after the signing moratorium, mid July? (besides draft nights wink and nod trades) The moratorium is like ten days this year, possibly 14, I can't remember exactly.
You're off by a year, but that was a perfect storm case that may not repeated for a looooooooooong time (i.e. the team with the #1 pick had an all star and a top 5 player on the roster).It did just happen less than twelve months ago. Then you've got Webber and David Thompson.
Harden is mine, given that Morey seemed inclined to hit re-set and we know that he and Ainge had been talking. So I could well see Ainge rebuffing Morey's pie in the sky ask for Howard and replying "Now if we're discussing Harden..." And the whole thing going from there.Hayward is my left-field guess.
Simple answer, yes. But I'm not sure I would have been willing to give up on chance of getting Simmons/Ingram on rookie deals for him. I absolutely would have for Butler.I could see Butler being a target, but giving up the pick for Hayward? I know Brad loves him and he is a talented player, but is he really that much better than Avery Bradley?
Dear god yes.I could see Butler being a target, but giving up the pick for Hayward? I know Brad loves him and he is a talented player, but is he really that much better than Avery Bradley?
He said Durant's main goal is to win and the progress the Celtics have made plus the reputation Brad Stevens is gaining around the league would put them in play for Durant. He made it seem that Golden State would be the favorites.As in we plan to make a pitch (aka water = wet) or he won't immediately hang up the phone when we call?
Hayward has better counting numbers, but I think that is in part because his usage rate (26 percent to Bradley's 20 percent) is higher than Bradley's. Bradley is a slightly better shooter than Hayward, granted Hayward probably takes more challenging shots. Bradley is a very good defender, albeit limited by his size, and Hayward is just an average defender with more versatility than Bradley. I think Hayward is a better player than Bradley, but I think if you put Hayward on the Celtics I don't think he would put up much better numbers than Bradley does now, thus not really warranting the Brooklyn pick.Dear god yes.
You're free to say you wouldn't want to trade the pick for Hayward (dunno - maybe you like this draft a lot), but Avery Bradley???
The Golden State thing doesn't pass the smell test. It sounds awesome and all but the amount of players they'd have to let go or trade off of a team currently on pace to break the NBA record for wins in a season doesn't seem like something they are in a hurry to do.He said Durant's main goal is to win and the progress the Celtics have made plus the reputation Brad Stevens is gaining around the league would put them in play for Durant. He made it seem that Golden State would be the favorites.
God, I can't tell you how angry I was that draft night. I got into a virtual brawl with Jon Watters on another board, because my binky list for the 20-60 spots in 2011 was headed by Butler, Jackson, and Lil' Zeke, and I was apoplectic that Boston had passed on two of them. Watters called me a delusional Marquette fan for thinking that Butler would be better than JuJuan Johnson. Now I admit to being a delusional Marquette fan, but sometimes we're right. (As an admission I also thought that Vander Blue was going to have a nice career as guard scoring depth.) He also told me there was zero chance that Thomas would be a better pro than Moore. Many many curse words were exchanged that night. Then again I had consumed a lot of whiskey, which puts me into a foul mood.Simple answer, yes. But I'm not sure I would have been willing to give up on chance of getting Simmons/Ingram on rookie deals for him. I absolutely would have for Butler.
I agree it likely wouldn't warrant the BKL pick, but I don't know if Hayward is getting enough credit. He's the Jazz primary scoring option whereas Avery is at best a secondary scoring option. Hayward can handle the ball, guard 2's and 3's, and create his own shot. His per 40 minute stats are better across the board. I'd much rather giving up the pick for Butler, but Hayward can play and Danny has always been interested in him, so I can see the interest. A 1-2-3 of IT/Hayward/Crowder with Smart off the bench? I could get behind that.Hayward has better counting numbers, but I think that is in part because his usage rate (26 percent to Bradley's 20 percent) is higher than Bradley's. Bradley is a slightly better shooter than Hayward, granted Hayward probably takes more challenging shots. Bradley is a very good defender, albeit limited by his size, and Hayward is just an average defender with more versatility than Bradley. I think Hayward is a better player than Bradley, but I think if you put Hayward on the Celtics I don't think he would put up much better numbers than Bradley does now, thus not really warranting the Brooklyn pick.
This is mine as well.Hayward is my left-field guess.
I am pretty sure it's Butler. The supposed problems with Rose (who is virtually untradeable) and the documented problems with Hoiberg (who Gar Forman has basically staked his name on so he pretty much can't be fired) combined with the fact the Bulls are going nowhere fast and their best players are older and about to be free agents could lead to an attempted blow up. There were also a lot of rumors about Pau being traded for McLemore, Koufos and a #1 so McLemore could have replaced Butler and the Bulls would have had a lot of picks to sort of rebuild on the fly.Good guesses, gentlemen. Take it FWIW, a friend of mine knows Kaufman pretty well so I asked him to see if he could find out who it was and I was told Hayward and Butler were the targets.
That's the risk on both sides and likely why it wasn't consummated. If you know you can draft Ingram or Simmons with the pick you likely do the deal without needing much more. Right now the risk is too great that you're choosing between Dunn, Jaylen Brown, Bender, etc at which point you want much more than only the Brooklyn pick to do the deal......and Ainge isn't going to give up Smart and maybe even another player/pick in addition to the unkown Brooklyn pick.Appears sox311 was right as now Steve Bulpett is reporting that the Ainge "mystery target" was Jahlil Okafor (link: http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2016/02/bulpett_celtics_made_the_smart_choice_at_trade_deadline)
Not sure exactly what to think about this but my initial reaction is I am happy that it didn't go through. If this pick lands in the top 2 then I think it's worth more than Okafor yet if it lands 3-5 and Embiid continues progressing then it could be revisited.