Celtics trade rumors - Deadline 2/18, 3 PM

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If the ask for Love is really Ryan Anderson + picks & expirings, the Celtics should be able to top that without involving a 3rd team. Love makes Jerebko or Olynyk redundant. JJ and KO are both very similar types of players to RA. Compared to Anderson, Jerebko is about as good & the same age, whereas Olynyk is significantly better, younger & still improving.
 

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We've never really seen it so it's hard to tell but would Love at the 5 playing the Dray Green role with 4 smalls work? Say, Love with Crowder, Smart, Bradley and Thomas. Could that be something?
 

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Wait, Jerebko is about as good as Ryan Anderson? At basketball? That's kind of insane.
 

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I assume Anderson and three teamer with Love are separate talks. Anderson is a UFA. In other words Twitter still sucks.
 

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That's what she said.
Wait, Jerebko is about as good as Ryan Anderson? At basketball? That's kind of insane.
Ha ha. Jerebko's trade value is that of an expiring deal pretty much.

It would take a huge overpay in talent to get Ryan Anderson and more to Cleveland and Love to Boston.

I'll be realistic here, not Celtic Fanboy.

Ryan Anderson(rental), Jae Crowder, Picks(probably one Brooklyn pick), and a young asset (Rozier, Hunter) would possibly be enough to get Love from Cleveland. But really, from a non Celtic fan standpoint, would it?

That doesn't include what it would take to get Anderson from the Pelicans... Lee, picks, and a player.
 

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What about Love to Boston, Anderson/Crowder/Asik to Cleveland, and Lee/Mozgov/BOS + DAL picks to NO?
 

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According to ESPN's trade value list, Jae Crowder (32nd) is a more valuable trade chip than Love (34th) all by himself. I know the only opinions that really matter are Cleveland's and Boston's, but interesting nonetheless.

(IT3 is 24th and Smart is 37th.)
 

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Only filler for trade purposes but Kelly Olynyk not traveling with team on this road trip to get a second opinion on his injured shoulder. Like a baseball pitcher.....typically the only time you go for a second opinion is when the first one shuts you down.
 

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“@AdamHimmelsbach: Text from a source regarding what’s brewing on Celtics trade front: ”Only Miller Lite so far. Watery and with a bad taste.“”
 

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Lol this is a joke right? This is a player I'd put the Brooklyn pick in play for. From a Sixers beat writer:
#NBA source: #Sixers 'gauging interest in Okafor' around the league.
It's what I would do if I were the sixers. They're going to need to start converting frontcourt players into guards or wings, and Okafor has the most value in trade. He's also probably the hardest of the bunch to build around.
 

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Lol this is a joke right? This is a player I'd put the Brooklyn pick in play for. From a Sixers beat writer:
#NBA source: #Sixers 'gauging interest in Okafor' around the league.
Hasn't Okafor already had a rough intro to Boston?
 

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I'd pass on Okafor. Would rather take my chances in the draft. I'd move the pick for Noel however.
 

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I'd pass on Okafor. Would rather take my chances in the draft. I'd move the pick for Noel however.
It doesn't sound by reports as though this is an option. Colangelo could have had leaked that they were gauging the market for Okafor or Noel instead it is specifically Okafor. That sends a message right there as to his direction.

It could also be to create some interest now that can be revisited leading up to draft night.
 

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Lol this is a joke right? This is a player I'd put the Brooklyn pick in play for. From a Sixers beat writer:
#NBA source: #Sixers 'gauging interest in Okafor' around the league.
I'm hearing more the other way round fwiw, that the league has been calling the sixers to see if they want to move him, Heat especially apparently, but Celtics come up frequently too. I don't know the Sixers are shopping him, but I would imagine Hinkie is checking the various angles.
 

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I'm hearing more the other way round fwiw, that the league has been calling the sixers to see if they want to move him, Heat especially apparently, but Celtics come up frequently too. I don't know the Sixers are shopping him, but I would imagine Hinkie is checking the various angles.
In the unlikely event that these teams make a deal, it would probably be a structure where Miami gets Okafor, Boston gets Winslow, and Philly gets Brooklyn pick. Miami would have to add a future pick or 2 as well. I probably wouldn't do something like this because I like but don't love Winslow but it's possible that Ainge views him as a top 3-4 player in this draft.
 

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I'm hearing more the other way round fwiw, that the league has been calling the sixers to see if they want to move him, Heat especially apparently, but Celtics come up frequently too. I don't know the Sixers are shopping him, but I would imagine Hinkie is checking the various angles.
You are living under a bridge (pun) if you really believe Hinkie is calling these shots. I don't even know how this could have been understood differently back in December but per the reports some did back then.



Sixers managing owner Josh Harris hired former Suns CEO/owner/GM Jerry Colangelo to be the team's chairman of basketball operations Dec. 7.

As for who's running the basketball show for the Sixers now, the first source said, "From what I heard, teams in the NBA are calling Colangelo" with trade proposals.

"Hinkie's not calling the shots — it's Colangelo," said the second source. "People in the know know that. When it originally took place, people thought Colangelo was working for Hinkie. They were sadly mistaken. Colangelo doesn't work for anybody."
http://m.theintell.com/sports/sixers/source-sixers-gauging-interest-in-okafor/article_419783af-14e3-508c-b391-736a3f81de08.html?mode=jqm
 

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baker it's totally unclear, hinkie would be leaving if colangelo was 100% in charge, and secondly that was the whole point, to make teams and agents talk to colangelo who has a good (well better) rep where hinkie is clearly not loved. I'm not fully on board the hinkie is colangelo's bitch.

My comment re hinkie was more the sixers are no doubt checking what's out there to see if there is a free pick or a big trade to be made.
 

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It's hard to gauge Okafor because his team is so god awful, but that guy is averaging 17-7.5 and he just turned 20. I don't know what Philly is asking for him, but I may consider moving the Brooklyn pick for him. I certainly wouldn't move the pick for Noel.
 

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I'd want no part of Okafor, personally. Noel, on the other hand, fits "today's NBA" perfectly. He provides a team so much defensive flexibility that it doesn't really matter if he ever evolves into a plus offensive player.
 

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I feel like Okafor vs. Noel is going to be an analytics flashpoint. It's a shame they're on the same team.
 

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I'd want no part of Okafor, personally. Noel, on the other hand, fits "today's NBA" perfectly. He provides a team so much defensive flexibility that it doesn't really matter if he ever evolves into a plus offensive player.
I don't dislike Noel and I know he has a modern skillset, but I don't like him enough to currently justify trading a 12 percent chance to get Ben Simmons for him, I just don't know how high his ceiling is, Tyson Chandler maybe? I think Okafor, while possessing some obvious flaws, has a higher ceiling and thus be a more likely trade target imo. I still don't know if I would do it.
 

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I like what Noel brings to the table but how is a big who can't score or stretch the floor offensively be a "modern skillset?" Everyone keeps pointing to Okafor's flaws defensively while ignoring how much Noel's presence on the floor negatively affects the Sixers offensively.

OnCourt - Philly ORtg 93.5
OffCourt - Philly ORtg 101.2

Both offer something to the right team in the right role but neither are close to being complete players at this point in time.
 

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It also depends on what is around them--this is simply a fact of the basketball reality and the analytics (whether or not fully captured yet in what we see).
 

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Every year, we get sucked into trade deadline anticipation. And, every year, it's just a big disappointment.

Although, frankly, the way they're playing maybe no move is the best move
 

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Lets keep it this way...

News is that Ryan Anderson is staying put... That is further evidence of how poorly run that franchise is.
Can't make a trade if there isn't a good one out there to make. Apparently no one is offering a 1st back along with an expiring. Pels would be stupid to take on salary extending past this season unless it was for an upgrade in talent.
 

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I'm fine with the C's standing pat. It doesn't look like a star is out there, so it's probably better off to wait and see if we can get lucky in the lottery.

I'd rather hold onto the assets than be forced to overpay for a rental. Horford would've been nice, but it doesn't look like ATL is that interested in moving him.
 

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Felger is repeatedly hammering home his point that the last time we had a Top-5 pick we choose Jeff Green! Please Lord make this deadline end in a hurry.
 

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Felger is repeatedly hammering home his point that the last time we had a Top-5 pick we choose Jeff Green! Please Lord make this deadline end in a hurry.
To be fair I'm sure we all remember that as the beginning of the worst summer of our lives as Celtics fans.
 

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If there's no great move out there, I don't see the need to overpay for something. We're not one player from having a shot to win a title this year unless that player's name is Durant, and it's a really fun group to watch.

The main reason I see to look for a trade is the impending roster crunch, and that trade can be made this offseason if it's not made today. I wouldn't fix that just for a rental, though.
 

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Every year, we get sucked into trade deadline anticipation. And, every year, it's just a big disappointment.

Although, frankly, the way they're playing maybe no move is the best move
If the Celtics during Ainge's tenure haven't managed to entertain you at the deadline then I would submit that you aren't capable of being entertained.

I think Ainge probably needs to make a trade just to clear the logjam on the roster. Maybe that can wait until the summer but Stevens has largely shortened his rotation and the team has responded well. There are useful pieces here that probably should have value even in a minor deal.
 

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If there's no great move out there, I don't see the need to overpay for something. We're not one player from having a shot to win a title this year unless that player's name is Durant, and it's a really fun group to watch.

The main reason I see to look for a trade is the impending roster crunch, and that trade can be made this offseason if it's not made today. I wouldn't fix that just for a rental, though.
Lee will be bought out and Olynyk is possibly done for the year with his shoulder unless a second opinion changes things. We will go from any perceived "roster crunch" to being really thin at the forward position down the stretch so that should suffice for the roster crunch crew.
 

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Lee will be bought out and Olynyk is possibly done for the year with his shoulder unless a second opinion changes things. We will go from any perceived "roster crunch" to being really thin at the forward position down the stretch so that should suffice for the roster crunch crew.
If Olynyk is toast, wouldn't the Celtics want to keep Lee around for big man depth? Sullinger is a back spasm waiting to happen, Johnson is older than most and has had ankle issues, so Zeller and Jerebko may not be enough depth for a playoff aspirant.
 

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If Olynyk is toast, wouldn't the Celtics want to keep Lee around for big man depth? Sullinger is a back spasm waiting to happen, Johnson is older than most and has had ankle issues, so Zeller and Jerebko may not be enough depth for a playoff aspirant.
Portland waived Varejao. Does he have anything left?
 

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If Olynyk is toast, wouldn't the Celtics want to keep Lee around for big man depth? Sullinger is a back spasm waiting to happen, Johnson is older than most and has had ankle issues, so Zeller and Jerebko may not be enough depth for a playoff aspirant.
Lee's people have made it clear he wants out. Ainge has never held a veteran player hostage like that before to my recollection.
 

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Felger is repeatedly hammering home his point that the last time we had a Top-5 pick we choose Jeff Green! Please Lord make this deadline end in a hurry.
Felger again shows that he knows jack shit about the Celtics. The Celtics chose Green for the Sonics' with the fifth overall pick as part of the Ray Allen trade.
 

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Felger again shows that he knows jack shit about the Celtics. The Celtics chose Green for the Sonics' with the fifth overall pick as part of the Ray Allen trade.
Yes, when they should have kept the pick and taken Yi Jianlian!
 

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Felger again shows that he knows jack shit about the Celtics. The Celtics chose Green for the Sonics' with the fifth overall pick as part of the Ray Allen trade.
Yes that was my point. He kept repeating it over and over with his voice showing more frustration each time one of his cronies on the show attempted to correct him. Ugh, I wish he'd go on the Dunkies run whenever the topic goes from the Bruins/Pats to the Celtics.......he is god awful on the NBA.