A lot of guys that size have trouble reaching around like that even with a healthy shoulder.
This isn't just about Jimmy tolerating pain, it's about him not making any changes to his mechanics to avoid pain or in anticipation of pain.
2016 Jimmy G: Jimmy Who?
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This isn't just about Jimmy tolerating pain, it's about him not making any changes to his mechanics to avoid pain or in anticipation of pain.
And makes clear that the equally important inverse to "Do Your Job" is "Don't try to do someone else's job."
For those wondering, the guy who was asking the questions today was the same yahoo who provoked the "jesus christ" a few weeks back. A special kind of special.
I've no idea. I'm trying to figure out what the Pats can do legally within the NFL's rules to manage JG pain, while at the same time holding out the possibility JG could still possibly play on Thursday (ie with no trace illegal pain killers in his system).
No, not like that serious pain meds will make your head fuzzy and we don't need a fuzzy headed QB. Usually I tell patients not to drive or operate heavy machinery while on pain meds, I would categorize the Pats offense as heavy machinery. You don't have to sneak anything by the NFL if it is a legitimate medical treatment. What I alluded to earlier was the practice of using a really long acting novocaine injected into a joint so an athlete can get through an important game.
Percoset (oxycodone), morphine, dilaudid, and vicoden (hydromorphone) are all legal medications, they are controlled substances and need to be used under a doctors care but all have legitimate medical uses for pain.
To clarify, I was not asking how the Pats could "sneak" anything by anyone, but rather what legal painkillers could be administered within the NFL rules re drugs that would allow JG to play on Thursday (ie could something given him for pain Sunday or Monday for pain management make him ineligible for play on Thursday due to NFL rules re painkillers).
Thanks. So if JG under supervised medical care took those drugs for pain, (and the NFL was notified or whatever the protocol is) plays Thursday, and they showed up in his post-game urine test (assuming there is one) he would be free and clear and not subject to a suspension.
Players fail drug tests because of PEDs and illegal street drugs. If the NFL wanted to ban prescribed painkillers there'd be no one left to play.
Seeing that I'm a layman with no specific knowledge in either the NFL rules regarding drugs, or pharmacology, I just wanted to understand what ramifications if any would preclude JG from returning to play ASAP. So I figured I would ask a generally well-informed forum, whether any painkillers given to him Sunday or Monday that were still is his system by game time Thursday would put him in jeopardy of NFL drug testing protocols.
If they aren't prescribed by a doctor than yes, hed be in trouble, but JG taking illegally obtained opioids has about as much chance of happening as the Kraken rising out of midfield on Thursday and eating the team.
Painkillers are legal in the NFL. Well, the ones he'd use anyways. Otherwise, nobody would be on the field after Week 6. The problem, like I've said, is that you can't perform on most of them. If he takes Toradol or Vicodin, he'll be groggy and possibly dizzy. So it wouldn't be worth it. A doctor could speak to whether a cortisone shot would help in this case, as I imagine when it comes to your throwing arm it's as much about inflammation as pain.
One example of the risk one takes by projecting one's own experience onto the super-athletes that make up the NFL.
Toradol is an NSAID. Non sedating (except for pussies) and completely legal, although it does require a prescription. It is essentially a super-ibuprofen compound. It can (in high doses) cause renal failure. See Alonzo Mourning. Totally acceptable to inject his shoulder and give him an IM injection of Toradol. In my experience with a throwing shoulder injury, Toradol would not be nearly effective enough to allow JG to throw properly.
Well this surely won't get any coverage....LOL. Boston Herald says that Patriots are pressuring Garoppolo to be ready for Thursday night.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patriots/the_blitz/2016/09/patriots_pushing_jimmy_garoppolo_to_be_available_thursday
"Pressure"...LOL That seems like sensational writing to me.
I can definitely see them talking about the possibility and assessing things on a day-by-day basis. I don't envision the backroom cortisone shot under duress scene from Varsity Blues.
I think Jeff Howe is making a big leap in order to generate clicks. Pats are probably pushing him to do what he can to be available for the Bills game. Having him as a limited participant in the walkthrough hardly qualifies as pressuring him.
Jeff Howe saw the opening to go full Rappoport and grabbed it? I generally like him on Twitter, but this seems like BS. Schefter is the only one who seems to have actual knowledgeable sources inside the Pats' org vis à vis injuries. What exactly is "pressure"? Are they "reminding" him that Tom played with an AC which makes it sounds passive aggressive or are they saying "hey Tom played with this let's see if we can give it a go." Meh.
"Hey it's cool that you can't play Thursday. I mean, Tom would, but he's Tom. So yeah don't worry about it, bruh."
"Hey it's cool that you can't play Thursday. I mean, Tom would, but he's Tom. So yeah don't worry about it, bruh."
I like Howe's coverage a lot but he's been burned this year with injury info from the Patriots. Schefter and Mike Garofolo are two others who have solid Pats info. The "pressuring" is likely telling him it's pain tolerance and that others have played through it. They aren't trying to force him out there for Thursday. They are however trying to convince him to get to the point where he could give it a go in an emergency.
For what it's worth, injecting his AC joint with marcaine pregame would give him about six hours of pain relief (to some degree anyway) without damaging his shoulder or hurting his mechanics, so it's not out of the question. Not saying that he or the medical staff are necessarily considering that, but it's not completely outrageous
@DRS Any diagnostic clues gained from the info that JG can't lift the arm?
No, just that it hurts. I assume that the MRI he presumably got cleared his rotator cuff, etc, otherwise he'd be having surgery
Why are we assuming that info is accurate? He can't even speak to if he participated in one play at practice or multiple, he's simply pulling shit out of his add based on the injury report having him as 'limited'.
I was wondering if you would weigh in on that, if there is no structural damage and it's not a weight bearing joint then why not load him up pregame Thursday and see what he's got. That will hurt like a motherfucker post game though.
Is that a one-time thing? It seems like there's a debate on cortisone shots - my sister told me not to have a second in my shoulder, my actual doctor was fine with it. What's the research on marcaine?
As long as you don't do something stupid like inject it right into a tendon or a blood vessel then they only worry is that you just numbed every nerve in the shoulder, if there is structural damage that you don't know about or takes another hard shot he won't have the pain to tell you something is wrong. The debt owed comes in the form of the pain he'd be in post game but a win and a blow job would help alleviate a lot of pain.
