When you feel that you have to keep secret the fact that you signed your coach to an extension, maybe that's a good indicator that you shouldn't have re-upped him.
2016 All things LA Rams: Hard Knocks and trades!
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The official announcement was made via Twitter, apparently. And it's too bad they didn't give him the chance to beat Reeves's record for futility. Is the any chance he ever gets another head coaching job?
Let's see... Jets, Bills, Jags, Browns, Bengals... plenty of dumb franchises to choose from.
Not any time soon. Rex, for example, keeps losing, but has yet to be branded a "loser," like Fisher has. Its going to take a while, if ever, for that stink to wash off. I dont see Fisher going back to being a coordinator, either.
There's plenty you can kill the Bengals for. You can't lump them in with those teams though.
You want to have some toughness in your division to get you ready for the playoffs, don't you?
Signed,
Patriots fan
The Bengals would need to create a vacancy at the head coach position to be in a position to consider Fisher. Marvin Lewis IS walking through that door until the statute of limitations on whichever member of ownership he has compromising pictures of expires.
After seeing Goff take that hit from Sherman, I'm convinced he has no clue what he's doing out there. It seems more and more like Goff is a baseball player that got talked into being a QB. Or figured out that being a QB was the best way to score chicks in high school and at Cal, and it somehow escalated into him being the #1 overall pick.
I don't blame Goff for looking like a bust. I blame anyone that thought he should be a franchise QB.
I don't blame Goff for looking like a bust. I blame anyone that thought he should be a franchise QB.
The spread offense craze in college football is severely hurting the NFL game. There are very few programs that run pro-style offenses and since they don't the evaluation of a QB is so hard. Scouts and executives almost have to guess on how a QB is going to transition into a pro-style offense these days rather than evaluate apples to apples on game film. How Goff got to be the #1 pick is beyond me. It shows how stupid an executive Les Snead is to gamble a lot of future capital on what appears to be a project. The numbers that QBs put up in the spread don't mean much because they aren't going to run that particular system in the NFL.
Honestly, it's not just Snead. It's incomprehensible to me that the league has allowed itself to get to a position where the fortune of a team is 90%+ dependent on having an elite quarterback. So as a result teams spend an incomprehensible amount of draft resources on QB who *could* be elite -- and for every Cam Newton who goes #1 overall, there are, like, 7 Alex Smiths, David Carrs and, uh, Sam Bradfords. At best these guys are game managers (Smith) or bright shining stars that flame out once the league catches on to them (RGIII). The majority of the rest go nowhere. Even Andrew Luck, who seemed like a sure thing coming out of college, has probably on balance been a disappointment.
Long story short: I just don't see Goff as being that much of a reach comparatively. There's probably a much better case to be made that you should never waste a top 5 pick on a QB.
Long story short: I just don't see Goff as being that much of a reach comparatively. There's probably a much better case to be made that you should never waste a top 5 pick on a QB.
I don't necessarily agree with your 90% comment, but I do agree with your conclusion. If I was running a team I would draft a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round every 2-3 years.
The Rams just didn't spend a top 5 pick on a QB. They gave up 2 1sts, 2 2nds, and 2 3rds to move up 14 spots and got a 4th and a 6th also. If they had just been in the top 5 and busted on Goff it's one thing but they gave up so much just to get the opportunity to take a gamble on Goff.
The challenge being that if you didn't start with a franchise QB in year 1 of this plan, you likely never get to draft a QB. Otherwise, you're doing exactly what Belichick has done.
Jesus.
They were 15th to draft because Jeff Fisher left them in the worst position to be in, mediocrity, and then they took a bad situation and made it worse.
Yeah I had forgotten just how awful that comp package was. Good lord. Dan Snyder must be laughing at that package.
This gets worse. Even before the 1st and 3rd the Titans get from LA in the 2017 draft, here's the exactness of the picks traded thus far: 1/113/177 for 15/43/45/76. Using the NFL draft pick calculator alone, not even considering just Gofful Jared has looked: The Rams get a net value of 2180, whereas the Titans get 3089.6. In terms of gain (loss) percentage, Los Angeles loses at a rate of -29.44%, Tennessee gains at a rate of +41.72%.
However, if we do include that future 1st/3rd, here goes: Given Los Angeles' position of currently 5th worst in the NFL, that would give the Titans #5 and #69, which would be 2052 alone. Taking aside the depreciated value of delayed picks, that puts the adjusted values of this deal at 5141.6 for the Titans, and of course still 2180 for LA. This adjusts the (total) DPC percentage change of +235.85% for the Titans, -57.60% for the Rams. Holy shit.
That's just atrociously unforgivable on Snead's end, for a player considered anything but a slam dunk selection at the point of his drafting, in addition to the fact this was considered a fairly weak QB class, even at its top.
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You can't convince me that the Rams didn't do this because they were in the NFL's pocket due to the move to LA. The NFL said fine, we will move you, but you need to make this move.
I think you're going to have to unpack that assessment more than a little.
What is the motivation for the NFL to demand this?
Quid pro quo is probably the only Latin phrase Roger and his buddies know since they know they get something out of it. Kidding aside, I could possibly see it, not a lock by any means, given how some of the trends in contractual law, and further, how some of the London games are determined.
To provide an external example, stuff like this has happened before with the Astros, when Jim Crane bought them in November 2011. He got $35M from the previous owner Drayton McLane and then an additional $35M from MLB for agreeing to move them to the AL. Not to say it's equivalent, but there's precedent for similar actions.
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Ratings for the draft. An enticement to the Rams fans. Cuz Jeff Fisher is just a puppet for the league.
Edit: and what DLJ said - quid pro quo
Wait, so the league, in an effort to boost ratings for the draft that they had already sold advertising rights for, forced a team moving to a market they had wanted to get back into for two decades to make a trade so lopsided and high risk that it has a good chance to set said team back a decade?
Yeah, sorry, not buying it.
Yeah, sorry, not buying it.
So they just gave up a shit ton of draft capital to draft a question mark with the first pick? There are some dumb GMs but I don't think anyone is that dumb. But I guess we may have to agree to disagree
And hope the NFL changes the rules back so that franchise QBs are not that important any more? Between restrictions on DB coverage and the legitimate concerns for defenseless receivers, it's a league that favors passing more than ever before. RBs aren't afforded the same protection. You need above average QB play or an otherwordly defense to compete for SBs.
Jon Robinson is laughing all the way to a possible AFC South title because the Titans traded #1 to LA.
Seems more likely that Jeff Fisher, in order to draw more attention to the move, decided to make a splash and trade up for a #1 than that the NFL would ask them to do that.
It smacks of his type of PR.
Also:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/12/16/jeff-fisher-i-want-a-chance-to-play-the-rams/
It smacks of his type of PR.
Also:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/12/16/jeff-fisher-i-want-a-chance-to-play-the-rams/
Well, the Eagles gave up a shit ton for the second pick which was equally a question mark, no? Two firsts, a second, a third, a fourth for Wentz and a fifth. I'd argue that's equally as bad when considering they had Bradford and Chase Daniel and they were essentially trading for the right to select whomever was left as opposed to their choice between two crapshoots at qb. At least the Rams got first refusal.
If you need proof of incompetence to remove your tinfoil hat, I can provide a list of dumb trades for draft picks but that's probably not necessary. Les Snead gets high remarks for being an idiot as does Stan Kroenke. I'm not sure why it would be so hard to convince you they liked the kid, thought they were a QB away from being in the playoffs and wanted to make a splash after the move.
I mean, the two of them gave Fisher an extension and fired him months later. Do we really need to resort to conspiracy theories (that make no sense, btw) to figure out why they made a seemingly bonehead decision? And the jury is still out on what the kid can do with a competent coaching staff. So yeah, I guess we will just disagree on this.
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This conspiracy talk is crazy. No one twisted the Rams' arm to make that trade.
Now, if you want to say that a majority of scouts preferred Wentz, but the Rams took Goff to make a bigger splash in LA, then I might believe that.
Now, if you want to say that a majority of scouts preferred Wentz, but the Rams took Goff to make a bigger splash in LA, then I might believe that.
That's not true, though, right -- I know there was some split, but my recollection is that plenty of teams/scouts had Goff #1 overall.
(And, btw, I don't buy that he's a bust already, either -- that the price was outrageous, yes, that's true. But a rookie QB struggling is a "is the pope catholic" sort of story.
(And, btw, I don't buy that he's a bust already, either -- that the price was outrageous, yes, that's true. But a rookie QB struggling is a "is the pope catholic" sort of story.
I'd agree with that. Heck, look at Wentz and what he has done the last 9 games. He is really struggling too and the Eagles are suffering because of it. Rookies make tons of mistakes, that will always be a given, but there was clearly plenty who felt Goff would be better than Wentz. I don't feel there was any shenanigans with that trade.
That is the dumbest conspiracy theory I've ever heard. I would like to have whatever you been smoking since it must be good. As Papplebon Pountine explains, it makes no sense for the League to deliberately sabotage it's newly moved LA franchise. If anything, I think they would try to ensure that the Rams were decent. Why can't it simply be a case where the Rams "braintrust" had a choice of the two quarterbacks and picked the wrong one? Geese everything in society today has to be the result of some sort of conspiracy...Shaking head..
As you can see a lot of posters disagree with your conspiracy theory.
I got sucked into a YouTube vortex and am watching the 2003 Pats-Titans playoff game. With 7 minutes left in the second quarter of a 14-7 Pats lead, Fisher takes an intentional delay of game on the Pats' 28 on 3rd and 10 and PUNTS from the 33. Kicker shanks it for a 14 yard punt. I mean, I know it was cold as eff, but lololollllz.
I have always found you to be a very credible poster but I am so convinced this didn't happen, I am now going to have to look this up myself...
Wow! And now I remember blurting out in disbelief at the time to my then-girlfriend, this is what separates the Patriots from everyone else.
Despite the Philbin era, I'm grateful Fisher spurned Miami for the Rams.
How long before another sucker owner gives him a shot?
How long before another sucker owner gives him a shot?
To this day, I still can't believe that Drew Bennett dropped the 4th and 12 pass. Hit him right in the hands.
Yes. By all rights the Titans should have scored on that drive if not beaten the Pats. Another one of those things that makes you realize how close we came to the dynasty not really happening.
Some interesting nuggets about that game:
It was the coldest game in franchise history.
Vinatieri actually missed a field goal from 44 yards out in the first quarter.
McNair actually drove them to the Pats' 40 before they had an intentional grounding penalty and a holding penalty before the Bennett drop (he had a good game other than that drop IIRC).
Also, the Globe recap makes it sound like this Titans squad was a very Jeff Fisher-coached team:
Some interesting nuggets about that game:
It was the coldest game in franchise history.
Vinatieri actually missed a field goal from 44 yards out in the first quarter.
McNair actually drove them to the Pats' 40 before they had an intentional grounding penalty and a holding penalty before the Bennett drop (he had a good game other than that drop IIRC).
Also, the Globe recap makes it sound like this Titans squad was a very Jeff Fisher-coached team:
Also, the Titans had one of the greatest kickers in history (Gary Anderson), and Seymour blocked his 31-yard attempt at the end of the 1st half.
That playoff run was no joke. The coldest game in franchise history against a Titans team that went to the Super Bowl a few years before, the peak Manning Colts, then the Panthers in what Rodney Harrison and others described as the most physical game of their careers.
McNair and Peyton shared the MVP that year, and they knocked them out in consecutive weeks. If I recall correctly, that Colts team hadn't even punted in the first two rounds that playoffs.
Correct. They routed Denver at home before winning a shootout on the road in KC. Neither game they punted.