When you feel that you have to keep secret the fact that you signed your coach to an extension, maybe that's a good indicator that you shouldn't have re-upped him.He signed that over the off season. It was only leaked/announced last week.
When you feel that you have to keep secret the fact that you signed your coach to an extension, maybe that's a good indicator that you shouldn't have re-upped him.He signed that over the off season. It was only leaked/announced last week.
Let's see... Jets, Bills, Jags, Browns, Bengals... plenty of dumb franchises to choose from.The official announcement was made via Twitter, apparently. And it's too bad they didn't give him the chance to beat Reeves's record for futility. Is the any chance he ever gets another head coaching job?
Not any time soon. Rex, for example, keeps losing, but has yet to be branded a "loser," like Fisher has. Its going to take a while, if ever, for that stink to wash off. I dont see Fisher going back to being a coordinator, either.The official announcement was made via Twitter, apparently. And it's too bad they didn't give him the chance to beat Reeves's record for futility. Is the any chance he ever gets another head coaching job?
There's plenty you can kill the Bengals for. You can't lump them in with those teams though.Let's see... Jets, Bills, Jags, Browns, Bengals... plenty of dumb franchises to choose from.
You want to have some toughness in your division to get you ready for the playoffs, don't you?NOOOOOOOOO! I want the Rams to suck! Take him back!
I don't want them to guess right on their next coach.
I don't necessarily agree with your 90% comment, but I do agree with your conclusion. If I was running a team I would draft a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round every 2-3 years.Honestly, it's not just Snead. It's incomprehensible to me that the league has allowed itself to get to a position where the fortune of a team is 90%+ dependent on having an elite quarterback. So as a result teams spend an incomprehensible amount of draft resources on QB who *could* be elite -- and for every Cam Newton who goes #1 overall, there are, like, 7 Alex Smiths, David Carrs and, uh, Sam Bradfords. At best these guys are game managers (Smith) or bright shining stars that flame out once the league catches on to them (RGIII). The majority of the rest go nowhere. Even Andrew Luck, who seemed like a sure thing coming out of college, has probably on balance been a disappointment.
Long story short: I just don't see Goff as being that much of a reach comparatively. There's probably a much better case to be made that you should never waste a top 5 pick on a QB.
The Rams just didn't spend a top 5 pick on a QB. They gave up 2 1sts, 2 2nds, and 2 3rds to move up 14 spots and got a 4th and a 6th also. If they had just been in the top 5 and busted on Goff it's one thing but they gave up so much just to get the opportunity to take a gamble on Goff.Honestly, it's not just Snead. It's incomprehensible to me that the league has allowed itself to get to a position where the fortune of a team is 90%+ dependent on having an elite quarterback. So as a result teams spend an incomprehensible amount of draft resources on QB who *could* be elite -- and for every Cam Newton who goes #1 overall, there are, like, 7 Alex Smiths, David Carrs and, uh, Sam Bradfords. At best these guys are game managers (Smith) or bright shining stars that flame out once the league catches on to them (RGIII). The majority of the rest go nowhere. Even Andrew Luck, who seemed like a sure thing coming out of college, has probably on balance been a disappointment.
Long story short: I just don't see Goff as being that much of a reach comparatively. There's probably a much better case to be made that you should never waste a top 5 pick on a QB.
The challenge being that if you didn't start with a franchise QB in year 1 of this plan, you likely never get to draft a QB. Otherwise, you're doing exactly what Belichick has done.I don't necessarily agree with your 90% comment, but I do agree with your conclusion. If I was running a team I would draft a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round every 2-3 years.
Jesus.The Rams just didn't spend a top 5 pick on a QB. They gave up 2 1sts, 2 2nds, and 2 3rds to move up 14 spots and got a 4th and a 6th also. If they had just been in the top 5 and busted on Goff it's one thing but they gave up so much just to get the opportunity to take a gamble on Goff.
They were 15th to draft because Jeff Fisher left them in the worst position to be in, mediocrity, and then they took a bad situation and made it worse.The Rams just didn't spend a top 5 pick on a QB. They gave up 2 1sts, 2 2nds, and 2 3rds to move up 14 spots and got a 4th and a 6th also. If they had just been in the top 5 and busted on Goff it's one thing but they gave up so much just to get the opportunity to take a gamble on Goff.
This gets worse. Even before the 1st and 3rd the Titans get from LA in the 2017 draft, here's the exactness of the picks traded thus far: 1/113/177 for 15/43/45/76. Using the NFL draft pick calculator alone, not even considering just Gofful Jared has looked: The Rams get a net value of 2180, whereas the Titans get 3089.6. In terms of gain (loss) percentage, Los Angeles loses at a rate of -29.44%, Tennessee gains at a rate of +41.72%.The Rams just didn't spend a top 5 pick on a QB. They gave up 2 1sts, 2 2nds, and 2 3rds to move up 14 spots and got a 4th and a 6th also. If they had just been in the top 5 and busted on Goff it's one thing but they gave up so much just to get the opportunity to take a gamble on Goff.
You can't convince me that the Rams didn't do this because they were in the NFL's pocket due to the move to LA. The NFL said fine, we will move you, but you need to make this move.This gets worse. Even before the 1st and 3rd the Titans get from LA in the 2017 draft, here's the exactness of the picks traded thus far: 1/113/177 for 15/43/45/76. Using the NFL draft pick calculator alone, not even considering just Gofful Jared has looked: The Rams get a net value of 2180, whereas the Titans get 3089.6. In terms of gain (loss) percentage, Los Angeles loses -29.44%, Tennessee gained +41.72%.
That's just atrociously unforgivable on Snead's end, for a player considered anything but a slam dunk selection at the point of his drafting, in addition to the fact this was considered a fairly weak QB class, even at its top.
I think you're going to have to unpack that assessment more than a little.You can't convince me that the Rams didn't do this because they were in the NFL's pocket due to the move to LA. The NFL said fine, we will move you, but you need to make this move.
Quid pro quo is probably the only Latin phrase Roger and his buddies know since they know they get something out of it. Kidding aside, I could possibly see it, not a lock by any means, given how some of the trends in contractual law, and further, how some of the London games are determined.You can't convince me that the Rams didn't do this because they were in the NFL's pocket due to the move to LA. The NFL said fine, we will move you, but you need to make this move.
Ratings for the draft. An enticement to the Rams fans. Cuz Jeff Fisher is just a puppet for the league.I think you're going to have to unpack that assessment more than a little.
What is the motivation for the NFL to demand this?
Sounds pretty anti-Semitic to me.Wait, so the league, in an effort to boost ratings for the draft that they had already sold advertising rights for, forced a team moving to a market they had wanted to get back into for two decades to make a trade so lopsided and high risk that it has a good chance to set said team back a decade?
Yeah, sorry, not buying it.
And hope the NFL changes the rules back so that franchise QBs are not that important any more? Between restrictions on DB coverage and the legitimate concerns for defenseless receivers, it's a league that favors passing more than ever before. RBs aren't afforded the same protection. You need above average QB play or an otherwordly defense to compete for SBs.I don't necessarily agree with your 90% comment, but I do agree with your conclusion. If I was running a team I would draft a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round every 2-3 years.
Wilson was a 3rd round pick. Jimmy was a 2nd round pick. Talent can be had.And hope the NFL changes the rules back so that franchise QBs are not that important any more? Between restrictions on DB coverage and the legitimate concerns for defenseless receivers, it's a league that favors passing more than ever before. RBs aren't afforded the same protection. You need above average QB play or an otherwordly defense to compete for SBs.
Jon Robinson is laughing all the way to a possible AFC South title because the Titans traded #1 to LA.Yeah I had forgotten just how awful that comp package was. Good lord. Dan Snyder must be laughing at that package.
Well, the Eagles gave up a shit ton for the second pick which was equally a question mark, no? Two firsts, a second, a third, a fourth for Wentz and a fifth. I'd argue that's equally as bad when considering they had Bradford and Chase Daniel and they were essentially trading for the right to select whomever was left as opposed to their choice between two crapshoots at qb. At least the Rams got first refusal.So they just gave up a shit ton of draft capital to draft a question mark with the first pick? There are some dumb GMs but I don't think anyone is that dumb. But I guess we may have to agree to disagree
That is the dumbest conspiracy theory I've ever heard. I would like to have whatever you been smoking since it must be good. As Papplebon Pountine explains, it makes no sense for the League to deliberately sabotage it's newly moved LA franchise. If anything, I think they would try to ensure that the Rams were decent. Why can't it simply be a case where the Rams "braintrust" had a choice of the two quarterbacks and picked the wrong one? Geese everything in society today has to be the result of some sort of conspiracy...Shaking head..Ratings for the draft. An enticement to the Rams fans. Cuz Jeff Fisher is just a puppet for the league.
Edit: and what DLJ said - quid pro quo
I have always found you to be a very credible poster but I am so convinced this didn't happen, I am now going to have to look this up myself...I got sucked into a YouTube vortex and am watching the 2003 Pats-Titans playoff game. With 7 minutes left in the second quarter of a 14-7 Pats lead, Fisher takes an intentional delay of game on the Pats' 28 on 3rd and 10 and PUNTS from the 33. Kicker shanks it for a 14 yard punt. I mean, I know it was cold as eff, but lololollllz.
To this day, I still can't believe that Drew Bennett dropped the 4th and 12 pass. Hit him right in the hands.I got sucked into a YouTube vortex and am watching the 2003 Pats-Titans playoff game. With 7 minutes left in the second quarter of a 14-7 Pats lead, Fisher takes an intentional delay of game on the Pats' 28 on 3rd and 10 and PUNTS from the 33. Kicker shanks it for a 14 yard punt. I mean, I know it was cold as eff, but lololollllz.
Titans guard Zach Piller was not impressed, even after the Patriots had beaten the Titans for a second time this season. “Everyone was talking about their defense,” Piller said. “I thought it sucked. It’d be a shock to me if they were holding the trophy at the end of all of this. . . . I will not leave this stadium thinking we got beat by a better team. I think that that team is not a very good team and it sickens me that we lost to them. It just wasn’t our day.”
Also, the Titans had one of the greatest kickers in history (Gary Anderson), and Seymour blocked his 31-yard attempt at the end of the 1st half.Yes. By all rights the Titans should have scored on that drive if not beaten the Pats. Another one of those things that makes you realize how close we came to the dynasty not really happening.
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McNair and Peyton shared the MVP that year, and they knocked them out in consecutive weeks. If I recall correctly, that Colts team hadn't even punted in the first two rounds that playoffs.That playoff run was no joke. The coldest game in franchise history against a Titans team that went to the Super Bowl a few years before, the peak Manning Colts, then the Panthers in what Rodney Harrison and others described as the most physical game of their careers.
Correct. They routed Denver at home before winning a shootout on the road in KC. Neither game they punted.McNair and Peyton shared the MVP that year, and they knocked them out in consecutive weeks. If I recall correctly, that Colts team hadn't even punted in the first two rounds that playoffs.