Celtics trade rumors - Deadline 2/18, 3 PM
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Thought that last year too. Tobias Harris has been the biggest trade since the last deadline, that or Nic Batum. I'm sure Ainge has been trying, but the market has been really dry for a while now.
Disappointed a bit because of all of the assets we have and I really like this team and think they're not too far away, but am glad that Ainge didn't bite and overspend for marginal talent or short-term rentals. Still a lot of potential activity before the draft and certainly this summer.
Well regardless of how one views Boston as a destination for mid to high end Free Agents this summer the value of cap space drops considerably as most teams will now have plenty of it. You don't have the advantage of competing with 6-7 teams with max player space this summer......that number should be around 20 teams this year so it isn't any great shakes even if you thought cap space was an out for us (I don't). Last year it got us Amir, awesome.
Last year was a bit suppressed because everybody was waiting for this summer's FA frenzy. I'm expecting a decent amount of activity this year once teams start getting shut out of their FA targets.
Makes the presence of a good/respected coach and organization and team seemingly on the rise more valuable.
That would be good. Kevin McHale as a trading partner would also help.
Felger beating the dead horse has you thinking the Celtics have no assets, just liabilities.
Happy Celts didn't rent.
Three months until the next big step. Lottery is May 17. Conference Finals start somewhere between May 15-17. If the C's can scrap their way to the latter, the optics of also having a premium spot in the former would be phenomenal.
I was thinking more of attractiveness to FAs viz the impact of the higher salary cap. Since everyone has the cash, it might be about other things.
If they land a top 2 pick I think that can be flipped for an under contract star (Griffin/Cousins level) along with other assets and then maybe convince the third wheel to join via FA.
It's been this way for a while. When it's money alone that matters they don't leave the hometown team, which is why 'Melo is still a Knick and DeRozan looks likely to remain a Raptor. But the worm has clearly turned, and players no longer make their decisions on the quality of the nightlife or the name of the franchise. The Lakers seemingly haven't learned this lesson yet.
I think Boston's management structure probably gives them a leg up on the competition. If they make the second round this year I think a lot of stars going to think that they could make some real hay with Stevens coaching and Danny filling out the roster.
There's no way they trade a top 2 pick. Historically, how many times has that ever even happened?
It did just happen less than twelve months ago. Then you've got Webber and David Thompson. Beyond that a long time ago, a Celtic named Chuck Share. Two other #1s never played in the league but for different reasons.
Agree with your point, if they know they have a top two with this class of Simmons and Imgran, there's no way they trade it. Especially with the structures and year limits on NBA contracts -plus the impending spike in salary cap room - you don't trade rookies like those and their contracts/control for guys that are already making real money and close to FA.
There is a case to be made that if that deal was on the table yesterday, you have to consider it when you don't know if that pick will turn up outside of the sweetspot.
Ainge was on Toucher and Rich and said that a team backed out of a big trade with them at the last minute. He said that both sides were pondering the trade offer for 2 days but at the last minute the other side pulled the plug. He mentioned that the '16 Brooklyn pick was in play.
Wow. Couldn't have been for a rental like Horford or Howard. Will be interesting to see if it leaks.
He could also be talking out of the side of his mouth as he's been prone to in the past. There is another report that a GM tried contacting Ainge on Wednesday and that all those Boston deals involving the pick and big names had already been off the table.
It's already revisionist history. We're on to The Combine.
I wouldn't put it past Sacramento and Boogie being the piece really.
Blake, Love, Boogie... Anyone else Danny would consider worth the Brooklyn picks?
Hell, depending on what new GM Marks does we could be in this situation for two more trade deadlines.. Good problem to have.
Blake, Love, Boogie... Anyone else Danny would consider worth the Brooklyn picks?
Hell, depending on what new GM Marks does we could be in this situation for two more trade deadlines.. Good problem to have.
Adam Kaufman@AdamMKaufman
Mystery team! Any potential deals for a player with term can be revisited in the summer, or next deadline, or next summer, basically for as long as we have Brooklyn's picks (and the Memphis pick after that!).
The reason those trades are rare is because the team with the top 2 pick is usually terrible, so trading for an older, established star with a big contract doesn't make much sense. As you noted with Wiggins, when the team with the pick is trying to contend immediately, it can be a very different situation. The Celtics are potentially in that camp.
If they landed the #2 pick, I'd be pretty irate if they didn't trade it for Cousins if that was on the table. I know the rookie salary scale is a big help, but there's a clock on the existing contracts as well. There's value in moving now as well.
Possibly a player like Justise Winslow, Okafor, Noel...
When can teams begin making trades again?
After The Finals or after the signing moratorium, mid July? (besides draft nights wink and nod trades) The moratorium is like ten days this year, possibly 14, I can't remember exactly.
When can teams begin making trades again?
After The Finals or after the signing moratorium, mid July? (besides draft nights wink and nod trades) The moratorium is like ten days this year, possibly 14, I can't remember exactly.
You're off by a year, but that was a perfect storm case that may not repeated for a looooooooooong time (i.e. the team with the #1 pick had an all star and a top 5 player on the roster).
Harden is mine, given that Morey seemed inclined to hit re-set and we know that he and Ainge had been talking. So I could well see Ainge rebuffing Morey's pie in the sky ask for Howard and replying "Now if we're discussing Harden..." And the whole thing going from there.
My guess is Jimmy Butler. Chicago's clearly inclined to do something big, and there's a lot of smoke around their not liking Butler's attitude.
What about Jimmy Butler from Chicago? They might be looking to blow it up and he fits what the Celtics are lacking.
Is there any possible mega-package the Celtics could put together for Davis? Would they hang up the phone if we offered all three Brooklyn picks plus whatever current Celtics they wanted? Even with him on the roster they're buried in the West.
Good guesses, gentlemen. Take it FWIW, a friend of mine knows Kaufman pretty well so I asked him to see if he could find out who it was and I was told Hayward and Butler were the targets.
Mannix is on WEEI and he says that Boston will be on the list of teams in Kevin Durant's free agency.
As in we plan to make a pitch (aka water = wet) or he won't immediately hang up the phone when we call?
Simple answer, yes. But I'm not sure I would have been willing to give up on chance of getting Simmons/Ingram on rookie deals for him. I absolutely would have for Butler.
Dear god yes.
You're free to say you wouldn't want to trade the pick for Hayward (dunno - maybe you like this draft a lot), but Avery Bradley???
He said Durant's main goal is to win and the progress the Celtics have made plus the reputation Brad Stevens is gaining around the league would put them in play for Durant. He made it seem that Golden State would be the favorites.
One of the concerns I have about picking up a "star" is that they have to fit into the system of defense and hard work - not a lone wolf or prima donna. I think Butler is the perfect player for the Cs and their system so I would be very excited to trade the pick for him.
I believe that the Cs will be a very viable option for top stars - they are in a great position for long term success.
I believe that the Cs will be a very viable option for top stars - they are in a great position for long term success.
Hayward has better counting numbers, but I think that is in part because his usage rate (26 percent to Bradley's 20 percent) is higher than Bradley's. Bradley is a slightly better shooter than Hayward, granted Hayward probably takes more challenging shots. Bradley is a very good defender, albeit limited by his size, and Hayward is just an average defender with more versatility than Bradley. I think Hayward is a better player than Bradley, but I think if you put Hayward on the Celtics I don't think he would put up much better numbers than Bradley does now, thus not really warranting the Brooklyn pick.
The Golden State thing doesn't pass the smell test. It sounds awesome and all but the amount of players they'd have to let go or trade off of a team currently on pace to break the NBA record for wins in a season doesn't seem like something they are in a hurry to do.
God, I can't tell you how angry I was that draft night. I got into a virtual brawl with Jon Watters on another board, because my binky list for the 20-60 spots in 2011 was headed by Butler, Jackson, and Lil' Zeke, and I was apoplectic that Boston had passed on two of them. Watters called me a delusional Marquette fan for thinking that Butler would be better than JuJuan Johnson. Now I admit to being a delusional Marquette fan, but sometimes we're right. (As an admission I also thought that Vander Blue was going to have a nice career as guard scoring depth.) He also told me there was zero chance that Thomas would be a better pro than Moore. Many many curse words were exchanged that night. Then again I had consumed a lot of whiskey, which puts me into a foul mood.
I agree it likely wouldn't warrant the BKL pick, but I don't know if Hayward is getting enough credit. He's the Jazz primary scoring option whereas Avery is at best a secondary scoring option. Hayward can handle the ball, guard 2's and 3's, and create his own shot. His per 40 minute stats are better across the board. I'd much rather giving up the pick for Butler, but Hayward can play and Danny has always been interested in him, so I can see the interest. A 1-2-3 of IT/Hayward/Crowder with Smart off the bench? I could get behind that.
This is mine as well.
I've been driving the Hayward bus all season, and I think in terms of fit/situation it makes the most sense. I believe Boston will trade for him this summer. I think it will come down to Hayward letting Utah know he's not likely to re-sign there, and the Celtics not winning the draft lottery. As long as they don't get the #1 pick, I think they'll use it to trade for him.
In terms of fit, he's close to perfect. Played for Stevens, is a scorer, at least a decent defender, is in his early prime, paired with Crowder could make some pain in the ass lineups being able to go small with them playing the 3/4 or big with them at 2/3.
In terms of situation, this is his sixth season in Utah. Just one playoff appearance as an #8 seed and they were swept by the Spurs. I think best case scenario for this year is getting a bottom seed and getting swept(or a gentlemans 4-1 loss) by one of the top seeds. Then Utah will only control Hayward for one more season with Hayward having the opt-out after 2016-17. This summer would be the time to move him.
I suspect Utah was listening on him but figured the same deal Ainge was offering now would be available in June, and they'll know where the Brooklyn pick has landed then. Also, gives them a bit more time to evaluate whether they think their current core can compete going forward since they have yet to really have their best players healthy at the same time for any decent period of time all season until now.
I am pretty sure it's Butler. The supposed problems with Rose (who is virtually untradeable) and the documented problems with Hoiberg (who Gar Forman has basically staked his name on so he pretty much can't be fired) combined with the fact the Bulls are going nowhere fast and their best players are older and about to be free agents could lead to an attempted blow up. There were also a lot of rumors about Pau being traded for McLemore, Koufos and a #1 so McLemore could have replaced Butler and the Bulls would have had a lot of picks to sort of rebuild on the fly.
If this Brooklyn pick turns out to be top 3, I expect this trade to be revisited and completed this offseason
Allegedly it was Okafor:
I'm gonna hope that that's just bad reporting. If they'd traded the pick for Okafor, I would have been...irate.
I'm gonna hope that that's just bad reporting. If they'd traded the pick for Okafor, I would have been...irate.
Appears sox311 was right as now Steve Bulpett is reporting that the Ainge "mystery target" was Jahlil Okafor (link: http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2016/02/bulpett_celtics_made_the_smart_choice_at_trade_deadline)
Not sure exactly what to think about this but my initial reaction is I am happy that it didn't go through. If this pick lands in the top 2 then I think it's worth more than Okafor yet if it lands 3-5 and Embiid continues progressing then it could be revisited.
Not sure exactly what to think about this but my initial reaction is I am happy that it didn't go through. If this pick lands in the top 2 then I think it's worth more than Okafor yet if it lands 3-5 and Embiid continues progressing then it could be revisited.
That's the risk on both sides and likely why it wasn't consummated. If you know you can draft Ingram or Simmons with the pick you likely do the deal without needing much more. Right now the risk is too great that you're choosing between Dunn, Jaylen Brown, Bender, etc at which point you want much more than only the Brooklyn pick to do the deal......and Ainge isn't going to give up Smart and maybe even another player/pick in addition to the unkown Brooklyn pick.
Once there is certainly following the lottery I'd expect there is a chance this deal is done by draft night.