What is next for BB?
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Wouldn’t be shocking. Washington has some kind of Council of Elrond situation going on with their searches, and Harris - a PE maven who just bought the team - doesn’t strike me as the type to hand the reins to a guy like Bill for what is likely a 3-4 year run at best.
I wonder about the impact differing philosophies on analytics will have. Like, would Belichick be a fit for a team that’s heavy into analytics given how little the Patriots utilize them? I’m thinking specifically about Philadelphia but applies to other teams as well.
It’s recently been reported that the Patriots have one of the smallest analytic department’s in all of the NFL. I was referring to that.
I get it, but I think BB’s public remarks about analytics are not representative of his true feelings.
Bill not only said he wasn’t into all the new analytical approaches teams were trending towards, the team put the least amount of resources of any other team in the NFL towards that approach but you think he was just foolin.
I don’t think so Tim.
While that is possibly true, probably worth noting that the Patriots have one of the smallest everything departments, they have a small front office, a small coaching staff, small facilites, etc. So it's not 100% clear whether having one of the smallest analytic departments means they emphasize it the least, or just they tend to staff at much lower levels than most teams.
My guess is that they use some analytics, but also aren't pushing boundaries on it, and it's one of many inputs versus the key one.
It would be interested to know how different modern football analytics is from the Ernie Adams' "Football Research". It always seemed like Ernie's job was to chase down hunches that he and BB would develop from game tape and see if it could be useful for future scouting.
Wasn’t Bill an Econ guy at Wesleyan and one of the first to take David Romer’s work about 4th downs seriously. I wish I could remove the word analytics from people’s vocabulary.
All the talk here and in the Cowboys forum about McCarthy getting fired is crazy. Jerry doesn't fire coaches unless he's given no choice (like Wade Phillips) and say what you want about McCarthy but he's won the division twice and made the playoffs three straight years; the latter being something only Landry, Johnson and Switzer have done in Dallas.
It’s definitely a dumb term that has been intentionally saddled with rhetorical baggage (‘NERDS! GOTTA TAKE THE POINTS! GOTTA STAY WITHIN A SCORE!’). As if people NOT explicitly considering the numbers aren’t already weighing qualitative and, in a less precise way grounded in feel, quantitative factors in advocating a punt, FG, or GFI decision.
Maybe, but someone directly asked him this week if McCarthy's job was safe and he said something like "We'll see how each playoff game goes".
That’s interesting as Florio, who seems fairly knowledgeable about ownership things, was just saying today that Harris really, really wanted to make a play for Bill. Maybe not?
I think the modern approach tends to go too far. It’s trying to find meaning when you should take things at face value. Not everything needs to be broken down to microscopic levels. Almost blasphemous to say on this site, I know. Hunch is a good word. Above all BB trusted his gut. Right or wrong.
Yeah they reference Florio in that story, but then mischaracterize what he said a bit. He said he hears Harris really wanted Bill, but that it was unclear if it would happen because of so many voices in WAS, and also implied Bill might not have any interest given how Harris has made the power sharing and structure unclear already.
Didn't Jerry make a comment along the lines of "we'll see how the postseason goes"? If it's one and done, there will be chatter.
My first thought was Dallas if they disappoint again in the playoffs (WC or Div round loss). Would take jerrah checking his meddling instincts but I could see a 2-3 year window where he defers to BB.
I hadn't thought Philly...but that makes sense as well. I don't think (based on nothing) that BB will make a big deal out of needing complete control.
BUF is scary. Would not like to see that happen. Let's all agree to force him to go to the NFC, OK?
I hadn't thought Philly...but that makes sense as well. I don't think (based on nothing) that BB will make a big deal out of needing complete control.
BUF is scary. Would not like to see that happen. Let's all agree to force him to go to the NFC, OK?
My former boss went to college with Belichick and has kept in touch and known him for 50+ years at this point. They would go to dinner together. Years ago, I asked him if he ever thought Belichick would retire. His response was "maybe from football.....to coach lacrosse". He didn't believe Belichick would ever stop coaching. Obviously things may have changed, but coach is who the man is.
The odds are against it, in particular because of the record to be broken, but it would be an amazing ending if he wrapped things up at the Naval Academy.
David Tepper is going to give him all the money. Plutocrats don’t handle public embarrassment well.
Tepper is also a known meddler. Can’t see Bill wanting to work with Tepper with him constantly putting his finger in things.
I think a guy like Tepper is also a jock-sniffer of the highest order. I could see him emptying his wallet for BB and promising to stay out of his way, just so he can claim to his jock-sniffing, desk-testicle friends that he "got" the big prize. Like BB was some sort of rare trophy elephant.
And then within 6 months going back on his word.
Why do we think Bill would buy that? Tepper is self-evidently volatile and impatient.
Carolina right now is as unappealing a vacancy as I can ever remember there being in the NFL. The combo of horrible owner + the aftermath of the trade is a difficulty hurdle I can't imagine Bill would want to impose on himself at 72 years old. I'm not in love with Atlanta as a landing place, but I'm not sure I could put a multiplier on how exponentially better it would be than Carolina.
I think its incredibly unlikely. I suppose my post was more "if it happens, here's what will happen."
I'd wager a LOT of money that the Falcons' QB situation going into next season will be much more appealing than their QB situation this season. They'll either trade for Fields, or sign Cousins, or stay at #8 and draft someone like Penix, or trade halfway up and try to draft Daniels, or trade all the way up and draft Williams or Maye. Their worst-case scenario probably is signing Wilson or Mayfield. They will NOT have the Ridder/Heinecke platoon in place. And because any new coach would presumably have plenty of input into which of these scenarios works best for him, that cannot be the only reason Belichick would stay away from the ATL.
I'm personally torn on whether I want Belichick in Atlanta, for numerous reasons. (On the whole I'm in favor of it, assuming he's fully motivated to prove everyone wrong and show that he's still got it.) I also think he'd be silly not to wait to see what happens to Philadelphia and Dallas in the playoffs before signing on the dotted line; those are the prize jobs that are clearly better than Atlanta. I think I'd rather have Harbaugh than Belichick if Harbaugh is interested, as I think Harbaugh is more of a sure-fire bet to succeed *and* might also be around for more than 3-4 years. But really, hiring coaches is almost as much of a crapshoot as drafting quarterbacks, so who the heck knows?
I'm personally torn on whether I want Belichick in Atlanta, for numerous reasons. (On the whole I'm in favor of it, assuming he's fully motivated to prove everyone wrong and show that he's still got it.) I also think he'd be silly not to wait to see what happens to Philadelphia and Dallas in the playoffs before signing on the dotted line; those are the prize jobs that are clearly better than Atlanta. I think I'd rather have Harbaugh than Belichick if Harbaugh is interested, as I think Harbaugh is more of a sure-fire bet to succeed *and* might also be around for more than 3-4 years. But really, hiring coaches is almost as much of a crapshoot as drafting quarterbacks, so who the heck knows?
Bill will turn him down.
Johnson is the interesting one for them, he declined last year, Tepper will probably back up the truck this year, his personality being what it is I can see him saying "oh you said no.... how about $5M more than any other coach" because his entire self-worth is in being rich and the belief everyone will do what he wants because they want his money so bad,
There's a QB prospect called Penix? Did he decide to change his name to a gender neutral name?
If Belichick goes to Atlanta, my bet would be that he signs Baker Mayfield. BB and Josh are big Baker fans.
Atlanta, IMHO. Add Mayfield or Cousins, and draft some more talent. I could also see a complete fuck you mold-breaking of trying to trade up to 1 or 2 just to show what he could do with a new, more highly athletically rated QB.
Atlanta adding a Bowers or Nabers and a veteran QB would be very fun from a fantasy standpoint. Bill would then have to focus on the def.
Or Brady….
I suppose Atlanta makes some sense. I feel he’d prefer a more historic franchise if available - Dallas, Raiders, Bears.
Buffalo is the Krafts worst nightmare and it makes some sense. Their window is closing and so is Bill’s. But there is still talent there and McDermott has not been able to squeeze it all out. A SB win in Buffalo and a final mic drop at the HOF ceremony and Bill could walk away become his daughter’s assistant in the sport he was best at
Atlanta doesn't need any more TEs, tho. I'd be very surprised if they went for Brock.
Only half kidding.
He breaks Shula's record, retires from the NFL, and then walks into the Nantucket Public Schools Superintendent's office and tells him/her that he wants to coach the football team.
He breaks Shula's record, retires from the NFL, and then walks into the Nantucket Public Schools Superintendent's office and tells him/her that he wants to coach the football team.
Is the Vegas line accounting for which teams don't have to be on Hard Knocks for the next 3 or 4 years?
No, he decided the Pen 15 joke was getting old, so he discounted it to Pen 9.There's a QB prospect called Penix? Did he decide to change his name to a gender neutral name?
I hope he goes to Atlanta, because it would guarantee him being "hoodie-less" for at least 9-10 games a year, and possibly more depending on the weather in Carolina and Tampa. Hoodie Bill was ours; he can be something else at his next stop.
Also, outside of one of the playoff teams' jobs coming open, it might represent the best chance for him to succeed next season, assuming he can land even a semi-competent QB.
Also, outside of one of the playoff teams' jobs coming open, it might represent the best chance for him to succeed next season, assuming he can land even a semi-competent QB.
I'm just not feeling it Buffalo making a change this year. The one playoff team I am wondering about is Philly... just because they've looked that bad down the stretch.
As for Bill, he really should retire.
Have you watched the last 20 years? He wore a hoodie indoors in basically all the Super Bowls.
I don't remember him wearing a hoodie in the first one.
But regardless, this would allow him to adopt a new look as "Polo Shirt Bill". (Honestly, if I were a head coach, I would do the suit and overcoat look with a hat like Lombardi and Landry. And if that was a problem with NFL Properties, I'd just get them to make an overcoat with a team logo on the lapel.)
Edit: um....
View: https://youtu.be/l4zskouKAEI?si=OfkZAESzK58h_qeJ
Including that hideous red one in Super Bowl 42 when he wore the gray one the entire season.