What is next for BB?

HomeRunBaker

bet squelcher
SoSH Member
Jan 15, 2004
29,820
I am not going to dismiss the thought that others from outside the organization don’t want to come here right now. It could be anything,
The roster stinks
Krafts light on actual spending
Following Belichick
No QB
Too many from former regime still around
Don’t believe in Mayo…

Maybe none of these but I am looking at the fact that they offered the ST job to an Atl coach who just lost his head coach, and he still turned it down,
And we are looking like we are going to end up with a

HC, Mayo
DC, Covington, and
OC, Caley

who are all internal minus one year with Caley.
The problem Mayo is going to have in hiring assistants is that he’s only coached in New England so his connections with those he’s shared a room with are only those within the Patriots organization. He is at a distinct disadvantage without having been with multiple organizations where he’s worked with other coaches and other coaches being familiar with him.
 

sezwho

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 20, 2005
1,883
Isle of Plum
The problem Mayo is going to have in hiring assistants is that he’s only coached in New England so his connections with those he’s shared a room with are only those within the Patriots organization. He is at a distinct disadvantage without having been with multiple organizations where he’s worked with other coaches and other coaches being familiar with him.
On the other hand, he’s had years to prepare for this day and been in the game for a decade +. He also has an agent who is part of an enormous agency and could make introductions.

I’m pretty sure Jerod has a vision for this, but if he were truly just fumbling through the little black book right now for an OC that would be pretty rough.
 

HomeRunBaker

bet squelcher
SoSH Member
Jan 15, 2004
29,820
On the other hand, he’s had years to prepare for this day and been in the game for a decade +. He also has an agent who is part of an enormous agency and could make introductions.

I’m pretty sure Jerod has a vision for this, but if he were truly just fumbling through the little black book right now for an OC that would be pretty rough.
Where did I say he was fumbling through a little black book? I said he’s as a significant disadvantage in recruiting staff without those personal coaching relationships. I stand by that.
 

Justthetippett

New Member
Aug 9, 2015
2,173
The problem Mayo is going to have in hiring assistants is that he’s only coached in New England so his connections with those he’s shared a room with are only those within the Patriots organization. He is at a distinct disadvantage without having been with multiple organizations where he’s worked with other coaches and other coaches being familiar with him.
I think this is a bit overblown and likely comes from the largely insular experience of BB. Around the rest of the league there's actually quite a bit of staff movement across teams. It comes down to a choice. Does Mayo want to follow BBs example or create a more open operating environment? And of course there are degrees. On ST he's already gone outside. On D, why fix what isn't broken? The Covington hire makes sense. The real test is on offense.
 

lexrageorge

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 31, 2007
18,005
The problem Mayo is going to have in hiring assistants is that he’s only coached in New England so his connections with those he’s shared a room with are only those within the Patriots organization. He is at a distinct disadvantage without having been with multiple organizations where he’s worked with other coaches and other coaches being familiar with him.
On the other hand, he’s had years to prepare for this day and been in the game for a decade +. He also has an agent who is part of an enormous agency and could make introductions.

I’m pretty sure Jerod has a vision for this, but if he were truly just fumbling through the little black book right now for an OC that would be pretty rough.
One issue Mayo indeed has is that he's been limited in the number of people with whom he's developed deep professional relationships with. He obviously is personable enough to be able to play catch with Steve Belichick or play video games with Brian during some down time. And he's got a solid enough reputation around the league that he was widely expected to be hired as head coach elsewhere last offseason until the team jumped in and gave him the promotion. Still, a position coach that has worked in multiple roles in different teams will have more professional contacts than someone who has stayed in one team.

Is that a big issue? Not at all. Mediots on the radio are obviously making the ongoing OC search a big deal in order to fill airtime. Mayo certainly has enough contacts that he'll eventually be able to find the right person; after all, 4 others teams still have open OC positions, so it's not like the Patriots position has somehow become so unattractive that it's borderline toxic.
 

Jimbodandy

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 31, 2006
11,192
around the way
One issue Mayo indeed has is that he's been limited in the number of people with whom he's developed deep professional relationships with. He obviously is personable enough to be able to play catch with Steve Belichick or play video games with Brian during some down time. And he's got a solid enough reputation around the league that he was widely expected to be hired as head coach elsewhere last offseason until the team jumped in and gave him the promotion. Still, a position coach that has worked in multiple roles in different teams will have more professional contacts than someone who has stayed in one team.

Is that a big issue? Not at all. Mediots on the radio are obviously making the ongoing OC search a big deal in order to fill airtime. Mayo certainly has enough contacts that he'll eventually be able to find the right person; after all, 4 others teams still have open OC positions, so it's not like the Patriots position has somehow become so unattractive that it's borderline toxic.
If we were hiring the next 35yo hotshot quarterback whisperer/OC from another team, nobody would be talking about how he didn't have enough of a deep network to hire a quality DC. The bolded is doing a lot of work, accurately IMO.
 

sezwho

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 20, 2005
1,883
Isle of Plum
Where did I say he was fumbling through a little black book? I said he’s as a significant disadvantage in recruiting staff without those personal coaching relationships. I stand by that.
Just to be clear, I don’t mean to imply that’s your position.

I’m sure having worked directly with a potential hire would offer an advantage but I’m highly skeptical that’s a problem here. There was really only one real question to ask for Mayos staff, who is OC? I’d be very surprised if the succession plan there wasn’t rich and comprehensive, and address specifically his limited direct exposure.

Fake edit - also what @lexrageorge said.
 

HomeRunBaker

bet squelcher
SoSH Member
Jan 15, 2004
29,820
One issue Mayo indeed has is that he's been limited in the number of people with whom he's developed deep professional relationships with. He obviously is personable enough to be able to play catch with Steve Belichick or play video games with Brian during some down time. And he's got a solid enough reputation around the league that he was widely expected to be hired as head coach elsewhere last offseason until the team jumped in and gave him the promotion. Still, a position coach that has worked in multiple roles in different teams will have more professional contacts than someone who has stayed in one team.

Is that a big issue? Not at all. Mediots on the radio are obviously making the ongoing OC search a big deal in order to fill airtime. Mayo certainly has enough contacts that he'll eventually be able to find the right person; after all, 4 others teams still have open OC positions, so it's not like the Patriots position has somehow become so unattractive that it's borderline toxic.
I don’t listen to radio talking heads so no idea what they are saying but you go on about saying he has enough contacts…immediately after acknowledging that he doesn’t have as many as other new HC which is my only point. He’ll find a guy or guys obv….will he get THE guy he wants? It would be much easier to know who that guy is if you’ve actually had experiences coaching with him. I don’t even know how this is debatable.
 

Van Everyman

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 30, 2009
26,813
Newton
The Giardi report feels like the interpretation of one of the Fellowship of the Miserable. Which isn’t to say it’s fundamentally wrong – Giardi is a decent reporter and there may well be less “buzz” about this job compared to some of the other hires or potential hires. But that could also have as much to do with how the team and Mayo are going about it as it does with how “exciting” the opportunity to coach the Pats’ offense is.

I mean, this isn’t necessarily some 5 year rebuild. Yes, they were a dysfunctional mess last season. But things can turn around in a hurry. Did anyone see the Texans turning from the 31st ranked offense in terms of PPG into the 7th inside of a single year? Yes they had a new coach and top draft pick QB … but so will we.
 

joe dokes

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 18, 2005
29,820
The headline i see is "going to bat for" not "taking a bat to".
On my home planet, those are different and "going to bat for" is a good thing.

I don’t think it’s fair what I’ve seen everybody saying that it’s all Tom,” said Brady Sr. “Bill is the best coach in football, bar none. The last three or four years of his tenure in New England have been in the dumper. It’s too bad.”
 

Myt1

educated, civility-loving ass
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Mar 13, 2006
41,186
South Boston
The headline i see is "going to bat for" not "taking a bat to".
On my home planet, those are different and "going to bat for" is a good thing.
Yeah, I haven’t been this confused by a phrase mix up since thinking the ESPN crawl about Theo re-signing was missing a hyphen.
 

E5 Yaz

Transcends message boarding
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Apr 25, 2002
89,676
Oregon
The headline i see is "going to bat for" not "taking a bat to".
On my home planet, those are different and "going to bat for" is a good thing.
We live on the same planet.
The basic requirement for posting a link to a story should be quoting it (in this case, the headline) accurately
 

Van Everyman

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 30, 2009
26,813
Newton
I figured it was just replacement level trolling from one BB's special fans here.
You were mostly right.

For a headline that seemed to be saying TB Sr. was defending Bill, after the first line @joe dokes posted, I thought the majority of the piece seemed to be fairly critical. The headline felt click-bait-y. Hence, the link. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
 

lexrageorge

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 31, 2007
18,005
Jeff Howe weighs in on Belichick:

https://theathletic.com/5244873/2024/02/02/bill-belichick-nfl-coaching-falcons-patriots/?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=8877026

Sources close to Belichick also cited a frosty relationship with Falcons president Rich McKay as a primary reason the parties might have decided they could or should not work together.
...
Three primary reasons were echoed by numerous league sources: Belichick’s mishandling of the Patriots’ quarterback situation in recent years, his desire to maintain total control of football operations and a growing concern over the coach’s ability to relate to this generation of players.
...
Others, particularly on the draft side, heard stories from Patriots scouts who didn’t feel their opinions had carried any weight with Belichick.
 

Tony C

Moderator
Moderator
SoSH Member
Apr 13, 2000
13,676
How is McKay responsible for BB not getting much of a sniff elsewhere?
 

NickEsasky

Please Hammer, Don't Hurt 'Em
Silver Supporter
SoSH Member
Jul 24, 2001
9,124
Howe was always a reporter here who I feel played it straight with no personal animus or slant. Maybe that’s changed now that he’s national, but I haven’t seen it yet.
 

ifmanis5

Member
SoSH Member
Sep 29, 2007
63,521
Rotten Apple
Bill Belichick took out a page in today’s Boston Globe to thank Patriots fans everywhere for his 24 years with the team:

View: https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/1754131760936337623

View: https://twitter.com/PhilAPerry/status/1754127687608656334

Bill Belichick’s full-page thank you to Patriots fans in today’s Boston Globe. “Six times, you packed Boston by the millions for parades that were truly a two-way expression of gratitude and love. The images from those days are burned in my memory.”
 

Ed Hillel

Wants to be startin somethin
SoSH Member
Dec 12, 2007
43,267
Here
I’m sorry, but the comma usage/non-usage is too distracting. How does one NOT use an Oxford comma, and then proceed to USE an Oxford comma…IN THE SAME DAMNED SENTENCE!?
 

jcd0805

Member
SoSH Member
Nov 3, 2007
3,909
Florida
You know, we talked about collusion being the reason Kaepernick never got another job. Could the other owners have decided BB didn’t get another shot because of past grievances with him/his perceived arrogance when beating the pants off all 31 teams at some point in last 25 years? I know age plays a role but damn it’s crazy not one team wanted him.
 

johnmd20

mad dog
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 30, 2003
61,913
New York City
You know, we talked about collusion being the reason Kaepernick never got another job. Could the other owners have decided BB didn’t get another shot because of past grievances with him/his perceived arrogance when beating the pants off all 31 teams at some point in last 25 years? I know age plays a role but damn it’s crazy not one team wanted him.
Occam's Razor. I think the more likely reason is that teams looked at the Patriots performance over the last two years and decided it wasn't worth it.
 

BigSoxFan

Member
SoSH Member
May 31, 2007
46,914
Getting awfully dusty in here. What a time it was. And it boggles my mind that NFL owners would rather have fucking Dan Quinn and Raheem Morris coach their team, than that man.
Some of these hires are going to look really bad in retrospect, IMO.
 

BigSoxFan

Member
SoSH Member
May 31, 2007
46,914
It's a numbers game, and winning in the NFL is difficult, so that much is a certainty. Not everyone is going to work out.
Clearly, but that’s not the point. He’s clearly a much better coach than these hires.
 

luckiestman

Son of the Harpy
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2005
32,518
Clearly, but that’s not the point. He’s clearly a much better coach than these hires.
Sure, he’s also old. Most coaching tenures are short but these owners want to dream.

I’m still holding out hope Woody shitcans Bobby Saleh and brings in the old man for laughs. My team will never win so at least give me that summer of WEEI.
 

Jimbodandy

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 31, 2006
11,192
around the way
How is McKay responsible for BB not getting much of a sniff elsewhere?
What does Bill settling somewhere else have to do with the Atlanta job?

Yeah, McKay had little to do with that article.
McKay is the reason that Bill isn't in Atlanta. That's fine by me because I'm not a fan of Blank and hope that he continues to run a shitshow there. But there's a lot of "of course Bill didn't get the Atlanta job, because he sucks" in that piece. Which is fine if you're bought into that, but choosing McKay over Belichick is stupid. And someone wanted all of the reasons out there on why that happened. Was it Blank?
 

Tony C

Moderator
Moderator
SoSH Member
Apr 13, 2000
13,676
What does Bill settling somewhere else have to do with the Atlanta job?

...
Not sure I follow your point. The Athletic article was about why BB, to quote, "didn't land a job" -- not just in Atlanta. My response was to someone commenting that Howe was just taking transcription from McKay. First, I doubt that it's single-sourced. Second, given that the article covers Atlanta but also a number of potential jobs, seems weird to ascribe to McKay that BB wasn't able to sell his services elsewhere.

Here's a quote from the piece:
At quarterback, people around the league still don’t understand how Belichick could let Tom Brady leave in free agency, but the lack of a succession plan was nearly as perplexing. Belichick went the budget route with Cam Newton in 2020 and drafted Mac Jones in the first round in 2021 but failed to develop him by virtually every measurable degree.

Jones had three offensive coordinators in three seasons, including Belichick’s decision in 2022 to employ longtime defensive coach Matt Patricia, which was almost universally criticized in league circles. The offense was poorly constructed with a patchwork line and mostly substandard skill players. Executives from opposing teams were also turned off by Belichick’s public alienation of Jones.

These issues led decision-makers to wonder whether Belichick could build an offense without Brady or have enough patience to develop a young quarterback.

The power structure was another red flag. Belichick has been fiercely loyal to his coaching confidants and like-minded personnel executives throughout his career, and those ties could be traced to the Patriots’ deteriorating records in recent seasons — again, notably with moving Patricia to offense.
It explicitly refers to sources "around the league". I don't disagree that McKay was likely worried about his own power base -- sort of common sense he would be -- but also clear that there are multiple reasons why BB wasn't deemed offer-worthy around the league. Atlanta was only an outlier in going further toward courting BB than other teams.

Agree or disagree, like it or not, multiple organizations either didn't want to consider BB or once they considered didn't want to close the deal, at least not on BB's terms. Not quite sure what the basis for factual disagreement is.
 

Jimbodandy

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 31, 2006
11,192
around the way
Not sure I follow your point. The Athletic article was about why BB, to quote, "didn't land a job" -- not just in Atlanta. My response was to someone commenting that Howe was just taking transcription from McKay. First, I doubt that it's single-sourced. Second, given that the article covers Atlanta but also a number of potential jobs, seems weird to ascribe to McKay that BB wasn't able to sell his services elsewhere.

Here's a quote from the piece:

It explicitly refers to sources "around the league". I don't disagree that McKay was likely worried about his own power base -- sort of common sense he would be -- but also clear that there are multiple reasons why BB wasn't deemed offer-worthy around the league. Atlanta was only an outlier in going further toward courting BB than other teams.

Agree or disagree, like it or not, multiple organizations either didn't want to consider BB or once they considered didn't want to close the deal, at least not on BB's terms. Not quite sure what the basis for factual disagreement is.
Well to start, you're assuming that Bill put in a formal application to all of the teams with open or possible open HC positions but that they weren't interested. These cats at this level don't operate that way. It's conversations between him and ownership. Some of those open jobs weren't likely of any interest to Bill, for that matter.

Please forgive me for immediately wondering who has to gain from reports like this. Pretty much everything these days is someone spoon-feeding reporters what information that person wants out there. McKay in particular has been fighting marginalization in Atlanta for years now and keeps getting bumped upstairs and further away from hands-on football operations. It's the least surprising thing in the world to me that a hit piece on Bill came out after high-profile negotiations about hiring him into Atlanta failed.
 

Cellar-Door

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 1, 2006
33,924
Not sure I follow your point. The Athletic article was about why BB, to quote, "didn't land a job" -- not just in Atlanta. My response was to someone commenting that Howe was just taking transcription from McKay. First, I doubt that it's single-sourced. Second, given that the article covers Atlanta but also a number of potential jobs, seems weird to ascribe to McKay that BB wasn't able to sell his services elsewhere.

Here's a quote from the piece:

It explicitly refers to sources "around the league".
I don't disagree that McKay was likely worried about his own power base -- sort of common sense he would be -- but also clear that there are multiple reasons why BB wasn't deemed offer-worthy around the league. Atlanta was only an outlier in going further toward courting BB than other teams.
So while I generally agree, I would note that "sources around the league" is one of the vaguest of the phrases people use, it can mean literally anything from executives at 12 teams to... one guy at one team and his agent. If you have good high level executive sources at the teams with openings you would say "decisionmakers at teams with openings" or something similar. The vaguer the decription of the sources the worse they usually are.
 

NortheasternPJ

Member
SoSH Member
Nov 16, 2004
19,118
I do wonder if BB thinks differently of his time now the last couple years, especially this most recent season and would have changed what he did. Since it's BB, I'm guessing not, but I'd be hard pressed he would have thought anytime in the last 2 years if he was let go he'd be unemployed and guys who he's coached circles around at times have jobs he wanted.
 

NickEsasky

Please Hammer, Don't Hurt 'Em
Silver Supporter
SoSH Member
Jul 24, 2001
9,124
So while I generally agree, I would note that "sources around the league" is one of the vaguest of the phrases people use, it can mean literally anything from executives at 12 teams to... one guy at one team and his agent. If you have good high level executive sources at the teams with openings you would say "decisionmakers at teams with openings" or something similar. The vaguer the decription of the sources the worse they usually are.
He could also be vague to protect his sources.
 

Cellar-Door

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 1, 2006
33,924
He could also be vague to protect his sources.
meh, these guys have phrases they use all the time to protect their sources while also making it clear they are good. "sources around the league" is the one you use for garbage or when you have it mostly from one guy but he's asked you to muddy it up. Even "sources within league front offices" would work if that's what it was. Around the league is intentional to encompass people who don't work for teams like agents, or super low level nobodies, etc.
 

HomeRunBaker

bet squelcher
SoSH Member
Jan 15, 2004
29,820
Being leaked that Steve Belichick is about to be named DC at University of Washington possibly as early as tomorrow.