What is next for BB?
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The problem Mayo is going to have in hiring assistants is that he’s only coached in New England so his connections with those he’s shared a room with are only those within the Patriots organization. He is at a distinct disadvantage without having been with multiple organizations where he’s worked with other coaches and other coaches being familiar with him.
On the other hand, he’s had years to prepare for this day and been in the game for a decade +. He also has an agent who is part of an enormous agency and could make introductions.
I’m pretty sure Jerod has a vision for this, but if he were truly just fumbling through the little black book right now for an OC that would be pretty rough.
Where did I say he was fumbling through a little black book? I said he’s as a significant disadvantage in recruiting staff without those personal coaching relationships. I stand by that.
I think this is a bit overblown and likely comes from the largely insular experience of BB. Around the rest of the league there's actually quite a bit of staff movement across teams. It comes down to a choice. Does Mayo want to follow BBs example or create a more open operating environment? And of course there are degrees. On ST he's already gone outside. On D, why fix what isn't broken? The Covington hire makes sense. The real test is on offense.
One issue Mayo indeed has is that he's been limited in the number of people with whom he's developed deep professional relationships with. He obviously is personable enough to be able to play catch with Steve Belichick or play video games with Brian during some down time. And he's got a solid enough reputation around the league that he was widely expected to be hired as head coach elsewhere last offseason until the team jumped in and gave him the promotion. Still, a position coach that has worked in multiple roles in different teams will have more professional contacts than someone who has stayed in one team.
Is that a big issue? Not at all. Mediots on the radio are obviously making the ongoing OC search a big deal in order to fill airtime. Mayo certainly has enough contacts that he'll eventually be able to find the right person; after all, 4 others teams still have open OC positions, so it's not like the Patriots position has somehow become so unattractive that it's borderline toxic.
If we were hiring the next 35yo hotshot quarterback whisperer/OC from another team, nobody would be talking about how he didn't have enough of a deep network to hire a quality DC. The bolded is doing a lot of work, accurately IMO.
Just to be clear, I don’t mean to imply that’s your position.
I’m sure having worked directly with a potential hire would offer an advantage but I’m highly skeptical that’s a problem here. There was really only one real question to ask for Mayos staff, who is OC? I’d be very surprised if the succession plan there wasn’t rich and comprehensive, and address specifically his limited direct exposure.
Fake edit - also what @lexrageorge said.
I don’t listen to radio talking heads so no idea what they are saying but you go on about saying he has enough contacts…immediately after acknowledging that he doesn’t have as many as other new HC which is my only point. He’ll find a guy or guys obv….will he get THE guy he wants? It would be much easier to know who that guy is if you’ve actually had experiences coaching with him. I don’t even know how this is debatable.
The Giardi report feels like the interpretation of one of the Fellowship of the Miserable. Which isn’t to say it’s fundamentally wrong – Giardi is a decent reporter and there may well be less “buzz” about this job compared to some of the other hires or potential hires. But that could also have as much to do with how the team and Mayo are going about it as it does with how “exciting” the opportunity to coach the Pats’ offense is.
I mean, this isn’t necessarily some 5 year rebuild. Yes, they were a dysfunctional mess last season. But things can turn around in a hurry. Did anyone see the Texans turning from the 31st ranked offense in terms of PPG into the 7th inside of a single year? Yes they had a new coach and top draft pick QB … but so will we.
I mean, this isn’t necessarily some 5 year rebuild. Yes, they were a dysfunctional mess last season. But things can turn around in a hurry. Did anyone see the Texans turning from the 31st ranked offense in terms of PPG into the 7th inside of a single year? Yes they had a new coach and top draft pick QB … but so will we.
One more on the Washington team name, maybe they can buy the rights from these guys ownership. After all, Washington, Grant, Eisenhower...
The headline i see is "going to bat for" not "taking a bat to".
On my home planet, those are different and "going to bat for" is a good thing.
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Yeah, I haven’t been this confused by a phrase mix up since thinking the ESPN crawl about Theo re-signing was missing a hyphen.
We live on the same planet.
The basic requirement for posting a link to a story should be quoting it (in this case, the headline) accurately
You were mostly right.
For a headline that seemed to be saying TB Sr. was defending Bill, after the first line @joe dokes posted, I thought the majority of the piece seemed to be fairly critical. The headline felt click-bait-y. Hence, the link. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
Jeff Howe weighs in on Belichick:
https://theathletic.com/5244873/2024/02/02/bill-belichick-nfl-coaching-falcons-patriots/?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=8877026
https://theathletic.com/5244873/2024/02/02/bill-belichick-nfl-coaching-falcons-patriots/?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=8877026
Howe was always a reporter here who I feel played it straight with no personal animus or slant. Maybe that’s changed now that he’s national, but I haven’t seen it yet.
Bill Belichick took out a page in today’s Boston Globe to thank Patriots fans everywhere for his 24 years with the team:
View: https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/1754131760936337623
View: https://twitter.com/PhilAPerry/status/1754127687608656334
Bill Belichick’s full-page thank you to Patriots fans in today’s Boston Globe. “Six times, you packed Boston by the millions for parades that were truly a two-way expression of gratitude and love. The images from those days are burned in my memory.”
View: https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/1754131760936337623
View: https://twitter.com/PhilAPerry/status/1754127687608656334
Bill Belichick’s full-page thank you to Patriots fans in today’s Boston Globe. “Six times, you packed Boston by the millions for parades that were truly a two-way expression of gratitude and love. The images from those days are burned in my memory.”
Damn. Bill may not have gotten a sniff elsewhere but that caused a few sniffles in the Van Everyman house.
Getting awfully dusty in here. What a time it was. And it boggles my mind that NFL owners would rather have fucking Dan Quinn and Raheem Morris coach their team, than that man.
You know, we talked about collusion being the reason Kaepernick never got another job. Could the other owners have decided BB didn’t get another shot because of past grievances with him/his perceived arrogance when beating the pants off all 31 teams at some point in last 25 years? I know age plays a role but damn it’s crazy not one team wanted him.
Occam's Razor. I think the more likely reason is that teams looked at the Patriots performance over the last two years and decided it wasn't worth it.
It's a numbers game, and winning in the NFL is difficult, so that much is a certainty. Not everyone is going to work out.
Clearly, but that’s not the point. He’s clearly a much better coach than these hires.
Sure, he’s also old. Most coaching tenures are short but these owners want to dream.
I’m still holding out hope Woody shitcans Bobby Saleh and brings in the old man for laughs. My team will never win so at least give me that summer of WEEI.
What does Bill settling somewhere else have to do with the Atlanta job?
McKay is the reason that Bill isn't in Atlanta. That's fine by me because I'm not a fan of Blank and hope that he continues to run a shitshow there. But there's a lot of "of course Bill didn't get the Atlanta job, because he sucks" in that piece. Which is fine if you're bought into that, but choosing McKay over Belichick is stupid. And someone wanted all of the reasons out there on why that happened. Was it Blank?
Not sure I follow your point. The Athletic article was about why BB, to quote, "didn't land a job" -- not just in Atlanta. My response was to someone commenting that Howe was just taking transcription from McKay. First, I doubt that it's single-sourced. Second, given that the article covers Atlanta but also a number of potential jobs, seems weird to ascribe to McKay that BB wasn't able to sell his services elsewhere.
Here's a quote from the piece:
It explicitly refers to sources "around the league". I don't disagree that McKay was likely worried about his own power base -- sort of common sense he would be -- but also clear that there are multiple reasons why BB wasn't deemed offer-worthy around the league. Atlanta was only an outlier in going further toward courting BB than other teams.
Agree or disagree, like it or not, multiple organizations either didn't want to consider BB or once they considered didn't want to close the deal, at least not on BB's terms. Not quite sure what the basis for factual disagreement is.
Well to start, you're assuming that Bill put in a formal application to all of the teams with open or possible open HC positions but that they weren't interested. These cats at this level don't operate that way. It's conversations between him and ownership. Some of those open jobs weren't likely of any interest to Bill, for that matter.
Please forgive me for immediately wondering who has to gain from reports like this. Pretty much everything these days is someone spoon-feeding reporters what information that person wants out there. McKay in particular has been fighting marginalization in Atlanta for years now and keeps getting bumped upstairs and further away from hands-on football operations. It's the least surprising thing in the world to me that a hit piece on Bill came out after high-profile negotiations about hiring him into Atlanta failed.
So while I generally agree, I would note that "sources around the league" is one of the vaguest of the phrases people use, it can mean literally anything from executives at 12 teams to... one guy at one team and his agent. If you have good high level executive sources at the teams with openings you would say "decisionmakers at teams with openings" or something similar. The vaguer the decription of the sources the worse they usually are.
I do wonder if BB thinks differently of his time now the last couple years, especially this most recent season and would have changed what he did. Since it's BB, I'm guessing not, but I'd be hard pressed he would have thought anytime in the last 2 years if he was let go he'd be unemployed and guys who he's coached circles around at times have jobs he wanted.
meh, these guys have phrases they use all the time to protect their sources while also making it clear they are good. "sources around the league" is the one you use for garbage or when you have it mostly from one guy but he's asked you to muddy it up. Even "sources within league front offices" would work if that's what it was. Around the league is intentional to encompass people who don't work for teams like agents, or super low level nobodies, etc.
Being leaked that Steve Belichick is about to be named DC at University of Washington possibly as early as tomorrow.