Doesn't it depend on what the trash talking entails? He didn't do this, but if Harrell had used the same term that Thom Brenneman used, don't you think that would be quite different from Harrell saying to Luka something like, "You can't stop me, you punk."?
Do you honestly think that in the world of high testosterone professional sports, the word f*g isn't thrown around rather easily?
I have played sports all my life - obviously not at that level, but in college - and though I've heard tons of trash talk, I've *rarely* heard people use that specific term. I wouldn't understand why it would be acceptable for that term to be used because it's "trash talk".
KG picked a mentally weak opponent in each series and Hanibal Lectered that guy until he was ready to swallow his own tongue. Zaza and Sasha come to mind, but there was a guy every series.
It's 2020 and the NBA has these dudes literally running around on a BLM-decorated court with a host of approved social justice phrases on the backs of their jerseys. Does anything need to be proposed? It should be obvious that - at a minimum - taunts involving elements of race or sexual orientation aren't cool.
Yes, it's not used on the golf course often.
So twice in five years?
When you say they should crack down, yes, I think a reasonable question is to ask for a proposal of what that means.
Rajon Rondo called a referee a f*g and received a one game suspension.
I don't know why you mentioned golf, but ok.
Times change. None of those things and many others from the past would, or should, fly in 2020 and I'd expect significantly increased penalties.
Of course times change. But calling somebody “white boy” is closer to calling them a moron than it is to calling them a slur
I was just drawing off seeing you comment in the golf forum; I don't really find men's leagues comparable to what we are talking about, no matter the sport. The article has quotes from player(s) saying it's part of the game, except when crossing lines. Beyond that, it seems like a puff piece, but I'm cynical on anything progressive with the NFL.
I won't disagree with you there, but even equating a homophobic slur to calling somebody "white boy" is a huge stretch. I only used those examples because that's what I can remember off of the top of my head, and they are both examples of players saying things far more vile than what Harrell said. Plus they directed their slurs at NBA refs, behavior that is typically punished far more harshly than player-to-player interactions.
No. I believe context matters the most, especially with language.
I didn't say he DID call him that, nor am I arguing for any sort of punishment in this particular case. I'm simply answering the question you asked about what the league should do about trash talking, and I said it should depend on what the content of the trash talking IS. Saying someone sucks at basketball is one form of trash talk. A white guy calling a black guy the N word is another thing altogether. You appear to me (correct me if I'm wrong) to be kind of lumping it all in together as "trash talk", and I think they are very different things and should be dealt with accordingly.
Yeah, the power imbalance would make it far more classless in the reverse than in what Harrell actually did.
Do you think Brenneman's comments were meant to be heard by the public either? Couldn't that be considered a "private conversation" that accidentally got heard by a lot of other people?
It’s just not a slur. There are centuries of oppression causing insults based on skin color to be far more offensive when directed at a POC. If he’d called luka some derogatory term for Eastern Europeans then that’d be more problematic. I highly doubt luka was even offended by it (of course he was heated but I’m assuming he would’ve been heated regardless of the specific insult considering it’s a playoff game)
Did you see this live or after it was highlighted on social media?
He was in the middle of the basketball court during a televised NBA playoff game. You don't get much more public than that.
This wasn't some hidden mic recording him privately grousing with his wife after a game. He was backing down the court yelling after hisdunkputback. But for a mic that happened to not be pointing in his direction (or that we haven't yet heard), this audio would be all over the internet.
No, I'm not lumping it all together to the point where I equate calling someone a N* and calling someone a bitch ass white boy are equivalent - again, there's nothing equivalent that you can call a white guy. That's kind of part of the problem we have.
No, it really wouldn't.
He was in the middle of the basketball court during a televised NBA playoff game. You don't get much more public than that.
This wasn't some hidden mic recording him privately grousing with his wife after a game. He was backing down the court yelling after hisdunkputback. But for a mic that happened to not be pointing in his direction (or that we haven't yet heard), this audio would be all over the internet.
Indiana had a monster 3rd quarter and is within 2 at the beginning of the 4th quarter.
That was brutal. I think they should be allowed to T guys up for egregious flops like that.
This is completely false. Pierce raised up the finger OK symbol. "Throwing up 3's" is a Boston thing. One of the theories is that all the NY kids were repping Nike and Boston kids wanted to be different. In the inner city, Adidas was the sneaker of choice, even though nationally, Nikes were more popular. This was not a gang thing, it was a city-wide thing. By the mid-90s, it was a Boston thing. Listen to any Boston rapper mid-80s-2000, and I bet almost all the records have at least one reference to Adidas or throwing up the 3.
To be expected, I suppose. When every game is at a neutral site, the better team is more likely to win. When the lower seeded team goes home they are more likely to win and make things interesting. Then again, it seems like the first round is pretty dull every year (last year 6/8 series were done in 5 games or less).
