Week 18 Pats/Bills Discussion

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Seeing the interviews and clips of BUF players on news and soc media today I'm on team Buzzsaw. They are going to be insanely fired up, not to mention very fresh after playing only a quarter last week. They may be down in the secondary but BUF is so zone heavy I'm not sure it matters when they are generating consistent pressure with the front 4 and dropping everyone else back in coverage.
This will definitely be a Mac game because the Bills will still need to respect the Pats run game. That being said, the confidence I have in Mac is limited recently so it could be a buzzsaw. He did have some success against the Dolphins depleted secondary so who knows, but it'll be tough to keep up with Josh Allen's ability to sustain drives and flip the field constantly.
 

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Yeah, like I said yesterday, I really wish we weren’t playing them this week. Our only shot was them not needing to win and resting their starters after a half. We can’t matchup with the Bills straight up.
 

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Yeah, like I said yesterday, I really wish we weren’t playing them this week. Our only shot was them not needing to win and resting their starters after a half. We can’t matchup with the Bills straight up.
I'm not trying to be a penis, but at this level? It's about execution, not motivation.
 

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Huh? That’s precisely what I’m saying.
Why would what happened last week have anything to do with execution this week?

I'm not calling you out specifically, but the "Bills will be so fired up" shit is the equivalent of the high school football player sitting in the corner, pumping himself up with his headphones on.

We all thought it mattered when we did it, but it really, really doesn't matter.
 

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Why would what happened last week have anything to do with execution this week?

I'm not calling you out specifically, but the "Bills will be so fired up" shit is the equivalent of the high school football player sitting in the corner, pumping himself up with his headphones on.

We all thought it mattered when we did it, but it really, really doesn't matter.
I didn't say that. I wish we weren't playing them this week because "Our only shot was them not needing to win and resting their starters after a half. We can’t matchup with the Bills straight up.". The Bills are a MUCH better team than us, recent events aside. We can't beat them, unless we're expecting another epic windstorm.
 

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If KC wins on Saturday, they will lock up the bye. I'm not sure if that will alter Buffalo's plans for the game. They would be locked in to playing WC weekend, so resting could be in play, but incentivized to win to keep the neutral field AFCCG possibility alive. Also locking up the 2 seed means the proverbial tomato can (Miami/Pittsburgh/New England/Jacksonville) WC weelemd as opposed to a visit from either a scary Chargers team or a Ravens team potentially with Lamar back.
 

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I'm not calling you out specifically, but the "Bills will be so fired up" shit is the equivalent of the high school football player sitting in the corner, pumping himself up with his headphones on.

We all thought it mattered when we did it, but it really, really doesn't matter.
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Why would what happened last week have anything to do with execution this week?

I'm not calling you out specifically, but the "Bills will be so fired up" shit is the equivalent of the high school football player sitting in the corner, pumping himself up with his headphones on.

We all thought it mattered when we did it, but it really, really doesn't matter.
Tell that to Rodney Harrison; tell that to Bill Belichick; tell that to Knute Rockne.

"Win one for the Gipper" will have nothing on "win this for Demar."

If I were Sean McDermott, my pre-game speech would simply be "after getting his heart shocked back to life, after spending 9 minutes undergoing CPR, after spending 2 days in a coma, what were Demar's first words? 'Did we win?' Go, answer his question."
 

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Why would what happened last week have anything to do with execution this week?

I'm not calling you out specifically, but the "Bills will be so fired up" shit is the equivalent of the high school football player sitting in the corner, pumping himself up with his headphones on.

We all thought it mattered when we did it, but it really, really doesn't matter.
I dunno. Week 18 betting lines move dramatically based on who has something to play for and who doesn’t. Motivation matters, more so in football than in other sports, and the impact extends beyond which players play and which don’t.

But I agree that trying to gauge whether a team is exceptionally fired up, distracted, or whatever is a fool’s errand. Any given week, some of the 46 players on a team’s active roster will be more or less focused, fired up, whatever. Maybe there’s some value in trying to figure out where Josh Allen’s head is at, because a star QB’s performance has an outsized impact on his team’s performance. Beyond that, however, I’d expect the Bills will show up as they usually do on Sunday — with some guys exceptionally fired up and focused, others distracted, and most of them playing as they normally would. (As a corollary of that, if the game is meaningless for the Bills, the team’s motivation will suffer as it normally would.)
 

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But a good opponent can use that stuff against them. Normally when a team is amped like that, they tend to play really aggressively. Which obviously can be very helpful. But you can also take advantage of that aggression and run a lot of misdirection and screen type stuff that gets them off balance. I don't know if the Patriots are good enough to take advantage of this, of course.
 

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I didn't say that. I wish we weren't playing them this week because "Our only shot was them not needing to win and resting their starters after a half. We can’t matchup with the Bills straight up.". The Bills are a MUCH better team than us, recent events aside. We can't beat them, unless we're expecting another epic windstorm.
This isn't a particularly good Pats team and it is a very good Bill team but anyone saying we can't beat them is nuts. Teams as good as the Pats beat teams as good as the Bills all the time; a particularly good game plan, or a couple of great plays by the Pats and/or bad plays by Buffalo is all you need.
 

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Tell that to Rodney Harrison; tell that to Bill Belichick; tell that to Knute Rockne.

"Win one for the Gipper" will have nothing on "win this for Demar."

If I were Sean McDermott, my pre-game speech would simply be "after getting his heart shocked back to life, after spending 9 minutes undergoing CPR, after spending 2 days in a coma, what were Demar's first words? 'Did we win?' Go, answer his question."
That's all great and it may well happen, but I'm sure there have been millions of pep talks, pre-game speeches, etc given when teams then went on to lose. We hear about them when teams win because it makes a story. Do we really think every team that lost a Super Bowl or some big game just didn't have enough motivation?

We simply have no idea how this will affect them---could it help? Yes. But we don't know that and implying we do, I think, does a disservice to treating each and every member of the Bills team as an individual. His defensive backfield mates could have gone three days with little sleep worrying about him. We just don't know.
 

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Many players have said that speeches, hype, etc wear off after a while and it just becomes a game. The question is how the Bills approach the game in terms of resting players or going all out to win on Sunday. They're going to crush whoever they play in the first round.
 

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Hamlin FaceTimed with the bills today. Pats will get steamrolled. It’s becoming harder to see a path to victory.
 

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Hamlin FaceTimed with the bills today. Pats will get steamrolled. It’s becoming harder to see a path to victory.
Especially when he puts a message on the stadium jumbrotron. That crowd will be insane Sunday.
 

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I don't know how much the emotions from Hamlin's injury and ongoing recovery will impact the players, but I do think it will amp up the fans.

Home crowd energy should be very high.
 

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That's all great and it may well happen, but I'm sure there have been millions of pep talks, pre-game speeches, etc given when teams then went on to lose. We hear about them when teams win because it makes a story. Do we really think every team that lost a Super Bowl or some big game just didn't have enough motivation?

We simply have no idea how this will affect them---could it help? Yes. But we don't know that and implying we do, I think, does a disservice to treating each and every member of the Bills team as an individual. His defensive backfield mates could have gone three days with little sleep worrying about him. We just don't know.
When I played in high school, one of our meathead seniors gave this cliche pregame pep talk, which included a line about "giving it your all for 60 minutes". Someone immediately interjected with a deadpan "48 minutes." We weren't very good.

Following the death of Sean Taylor, Washington turned in a really flat performance, losing to a mediocre Bills team at home. 2022 Buffalo is much better than 2007 Washington, but I'm entirely inclined to agree that motivation is overrated and a good week of practice is underrated.
 

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I don't think motivation is overrated, I just think internal motivation i.e., "we really want to win this game more than most games because it means more to our season" exists, while external, "win one for the Gipper", motivation doesn't mean much. I think you can actively see an enhanced level of intensity in the playoffs in pretty much every sport, that to me is a manifestation of increased motivation.
 

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I think “win it for” intensity/motivation is hard to sustain for an entire football game. And ultimately it settles down into execution and talent. But, I absolutely think a team can feed off it starting/early in game. And in some cases, that buzzsaw can put a game away early. Will be interesting to see if that’s how it plays out Sunday with Bills players, and the crowd.
 

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This isn't a particularly good Pats team and it is a very good Bill team but anyone saying we can't beat them is nuts. Teams as good as the Pats beat teams as good as the Bills all the time; a particularly good game plan, or a couple of great plays by the Pats and/or bad plays by Buffalo is all you need.
Sure, anything could happen. Just saying that the Bills seem to be the worst possible matchup for this Pats team and it’s hard to see them winning absent extenuating circumstances.
 

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This isn't a particularly good Pats team and it is a very good Bill team but anyone saying we can't beat them is nuts. Teams as good as the Pats beat teams as good as the Bills all the time; a particularly good game plan, or a couple of great plays by the Pats and/or bad plays by Buffalo is all you need.
Just ask the Jets
 

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I think “win it for” intensity/motivation is hard to sustain for an entire football game. And ultimately it settles down into execution and talent. But, I absolutely think a team can feed off it starting/early in game. And in some cases, that buzzsaw can put a game away early. Will be interesting to see if that’s how it plays out Sunday with Bills players, and the crowd.
You don't think that a video message from Demar up on the board during a key moment in the 4th quarter won't fire up the fans to 110db and then by extension the Bills D?
 

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You don't think that a video message from Demar up on the board during a key moment in the 4th quarter won't fire up the fans to 110db and then by extension the Bills D?
Crowd noise is a factor but the Bills fans are going to be loud if there are key defensive plays in the fourth quarter.

The Bills D will be fired for big moments in the fourth regardless of motivational moments.
 

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Many players have said that speeches, hype, etc wear off after a while and it just becomes a game. The question is how the Bills approach the game in terms of resting players or going all out to win on Sunday. They're going to crush whoever they play in the first round.
I think this is largely true. They’ll be energized to start and then level off because no one can maintain that level for three hours. However, they may also be able to dig a little deeper late in the game if they need to. I just hope it’s a clean, serious injury-free, competitive game and the Pats have a chance in the 4th.
 

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You don't think that a video message from Demar up on the board during a key moment in the 4th quarter won't fire up the fans to 110db and then by extension the Bills D?
Maybe. But they will have played a lot of football by then. I just think whatever limited value this kind of motivational fuel has, it’s generally at its highest at the start of/early in the game. When the energy level is already at its peak.
 

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a good week of practice is underrated.
That's the other part of the equation. How good of a week of practice did the Bills have? Safe to say, they weren't as focused as a normal week. Still enough talent discrepancy plus opponent familiarity that it may not matter in this game.
 

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You don't think that a video message from Demar up on the board during a key moment in the 4th quarter won't fire up the fans to 110db and then by extension the Bills D?
I think it might.

Some folks seem to think it 100% will and it will 100% make a DB jump higher and swat down a pass or something.
 

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I don't think motivation is overrated, I just think internal motivation i.e., "we really want to win this game more than most games because it means more to our season" exists, while external, "win one for the Gipper", motivation doesn't mean much. I think you can actively see an enhanced level of intensity in the playoffs in pretty much every sport, that to me is a manifestation of increased motivation.
That might be because the players have said "Thank God the unending regular season is over and now we can play for something". I would add that,after 40 years of coaching, intense motivation always seemed a bit over the top while a lack of motivation was a killer. Fine line there, as it mostly depends on one's level of concentration rather than motivation.