Week 1 vs. Eagles: A New Beginning
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Mac is in his third season and still doesnt have a win when the other team scores 25 or more points.
Sounds about right, going on year three of this. Just save this post for the next game. And the game after that. And after that. And so on.
The offense looked good at times but end of the day they only scored 20. They also started 5 drives at their own 40 or better and turned that favorable field position into 0 points.
Two draft keepers and the D looks it could be legit. It's an upside game even though bad result.
Man there are alot of good QBs in the AFC.
I don't love Mac but would take him over Tua and Jimmy G other than that yeah.
More or less, yeah. I don’t think that’s really that crazy.
I think people who are praising Mac are discounting how much the league is tilted towards QBs and how relatively high the level of QB talent is in the league at the moment. Mac being a “solid” QB with no mobility and bad arm strength puts him in the bottom tier of NFL QBs.
It’s like it would be hard to supplant the other guys. He’s shown speed and the ability to get open.
Can we also then talk of how lucky he was not to throw a pick 6 on a screen and an interception on a ball that hung in the air for two hours to a wide open Bourne? How about a terrible pass on 4th down to a wide open Henry that he saved with an amazing one handed snag? Or do those not count on the "results which didn't reflect his process" column? He had a horrific first quarter, an exceptional second quarter, a bad third and a good fourth. Overall: fine. You'd think I was calling for him to be benched or something.
This. Only teams with unproven rookies or washed up vets have worse situations.
As has been the case since Brady left, the O just isn’t quite good enough. It’s not solely on the QB. There’s constant mistakes by every unit.
We’re a .500 team and that’s because we play like one. Particularly offensively. Some good, some bad, and the only consistent thing is that we’re inconsistent.
We’re a .500 team and that’s because we play like one. Particularly offensively. Some good, some bad, and the only consistent thing is that we’re inconsistent.
the early round drafting of receivers has been woeful. Without that, they wouldn’t be taking fliers on boutte
I don't disagree. I'm happy to give him a few more games this season to see if he can get to the next level when he's not playing against a top defense and some of his new receivers have a chance to adjust to life in the NFL/Pats huddle. But I'm ready to cut bait on him later this season if he's not the guy.
Either way, I thought he played fine today and they could have beaten the Eagles with how he played. He wasn't the problem.
So he didn't throw a pick 6, and the ball to Bourne was undethrown?
Do you remember what happened on those drives?
It was an overall positive day. The were in it, after blowing up early on and getting down big. The offense flowed much better than last year overall, barring the mistakes.
I said it when it happened, and will stick by it now — Belichick not kicking the FG with 5 or 6 min left at like the 28 was really uncharacteristic and I thought a huge mistake. Turned out to cost them the game likely.
Defense was great. Offense was above average. I’ll give Mac a pass for having to throw to Boutte and Douglas too much and the rain — but his noodle arm hurt them on a few plays. They were expected to lose this game and they did. I’m okay with it and feel positive overall.
I said it when it happened, and will stick by it now — Belichick not kicking the FG with 5 or 6 min left at like the 28 was really uncharacteristic and I thought a huge mistake. Turned out to cost them the game likely.
Defense was great. Offense was above average. I’ll give Mac a pass for having to throw to Boutte and Douglas too much and the rain — but his noodle arm hurt them on a few plays. They were expected to lose this game and they did. I’m okay with it and feel positive overall.
It’s close
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3 in his division
3 in the North
1 in the South
2 in the west
Thats for sure
Then it’s depends how you rate
Russell Wilson
Jimmy G
Tanny
then younger guys
Pickett
Stroud
Richardson
I will say, the offense is already much better at getting guys open than last year and Mac found a couple of them today. The bar wasn't high, but it's something
Mac's weapons and line aren't great. They didn't elevate him today.
But what happened in the game tonight has been the same thing with different pieces around Mac since he got here. Medium performance, ups and downs, and unable to put together a drive when the game is on the line, ending in a loss. They just have no margin for error with what he gives the team.
Was this game explicitly Mac's fault? No. But they have very consistently lost games like this, which tells me a team built around Mac isn't the answer.
He didn't throw a pick 6 and he didn't throw an interception on the underthrow. Both results that had nothing to do with the quality of his throws. Just like on the drops you brought up. Can't take one without the other.
I thought overall it was encouraging. Down 16-0 immediately (thanks to the offense) they could have crumbled but hung in there and really, could/should have won that game.
Ludicrous. Those who continue to die on the hill that is Mac while not recognizing his utter lack of ability to execute in the clutch borders on the purposely obtuse.
He’s better than Wilson and Tanny at this point. Jimmy G. might be a little better on the Patriots but he’s not a better QB than Mac. The young guys are unproven but could have more potential. Pickett looked bad today.
I do think it was immediately evident that bill obrien is a massive upgrade. We had key o linemen out vs an elite d line and managed to cobble together some things on offense
romo is annoying but his commentary on that was great. Lot of quick throws, screens, etc
romo is annoying but his commentary on that was great. Lot of quick throws, screens, etc
Yeah this about sums it up. The problem is they have no one thing that they do consistently well on offense. Really good play calling might make up for a lack of talent. A great QB might make mediocre receivers looks better than they are, or vice versa. A good OL can cover up a lot of flaws.
But all of those groups are maddeningly inconsistent.
Kinda impressive. Mahomes throws imperfect pass - receiver fault. Forgot Mac put crisco all over the passes to JuJu and HH
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There’s no one dying on the hill that is Mac. The only thing ludicrous or obtuse is your post.
The HH throw was just a bad decision to be fair. It had like a 5% success rate to get a first. Better off throwing up a Flacco.
I think this was about as good of a game as we're gonna get from Mac, considering the quality of the opponent and the missing pieces on offense. That it still wasn't enough to win is kind of the point, sadly.
I chuckled.
Definitely more on me than on Mac.
Does anyone know if Keion White's snaps were way down in the second half? Overall, defense played great, but seemed like he was everywhere early.
This. Yes I was impressed that he didn’t turn into a complete puddle after the two turnovers, but he’s never going to be good enough to win at a high level in this league.
They’re probably going to draft his replacement next year anyway. I doubt they want to pick up that fifth year option, or pay him long term.
I saw him "jogging" on that 3rd & 11, but didn't see Hurts go any faster the rest of the day. And it's week 1, so don't think it was for reason of injury? Certainly a top half QB, but he didn't impress.
Yeah, and those two sacks came on the final two drives and resulted in 3rd and 12 and 3rd and 13.
I actually think Mac can win at a high level in the league, he's just likely never going to be the reason a team wins at a high level in the league. But I think he could be Garoppolo or prime Tannehill, and those players had a lot of success in this league. A QB like that still holds value, especially on a rookie deal.
Sure I can.
There were 5 drives that stalled that had absolutely nothing to do with Mac Jones. Absolutely nothing.
Awesome, Hunter Henry made a great play. It's literally what he's fucking paid to do, glad he finally made a difficult catch after 2 years. Then he drops another that cost the team 15 yards in field position.
You people are expecting perfection. I know this will come as a surprise, it's not going to happen.
The offense scored 20 today, that number is 22 if Trent Brown doesn't tackle someone on the 2 point conversion, that number is 25 if BB kicks a field goal when he should have. If they don't call a phantom hold on Henry, it's at least 28, if Boutte gets his feet down the first time, it's at least 31. Then that last drive doesn't even matter, where Boutte can't get his feet down, if Bourne makes a catch on third down, again, that last drive likely doesn't matter.
Mac is not Tom Brady, he's not Mahomes, he never will be. But with the right team and players making plays that NFL players have to fucking make, he's consistently putting them in the right spots.
And to see him catch shit for the result today is myopic, it's stupid, it makes no sense. He put the team in a position to win, and it was his teammates and coaches that didn't get it done. Zeke Elliott fumbles, and 90% of the posts in here talked about how Mac made a bad throw. It's fucking insanity.
How did he not execute when Boutte couldn't get his feet down, twice? How did he not execute when Bourne dropped a massive third down pass in his hands, how did he not execute when the refs called holding on Henry, and then when Trent Brown tackled his man on a successful 2 point conversation? How did he not execute when he put them into field goal range, and instead, Bill decided to go for it?
Walk me through this.
I'm not expecting perfection at all, I just think today was a very uneven, rollercoaster day from him and in the end he absolutely wasn't the reason you lost, but he didn't play at a super high level either. I don't know what to say, honestly, like, if you're telling me right now tonight was a top tier Mac Jones game, I want to move on immediately. I don't think it was, I think he can play better than that. Maybe you guys should spend some more energy arguing with the people who are in fact blaming him for the result, instead of me and my lukewarm take.
Both of which, Mac made great throws on, and one receiver dropped the pass, and the other receiver forgot you need two feet down in the NFL.
But sure, those sacks were the difference.
i love you. Your last posts saved me an hour of yelling at the Internet.
Move on to what exactly? Im 50/50 on Mac and believe he’s not the answer and not the worst. What’s your plan for moving on? Tanking? Zappe?
If you tell me this game is as good a game as Mac Jones could possibly play, I'm drafting someone else in the first round next year. Luckily, I disagree with that notion.
I don't feel like arguing but the Pats D put the Pats in a position to win and overcame a few obstacles that the offense created.
IMO if the Pats D did not play as well as they did, Mac would never have sniffed a 3 score game after the 1st qtr. He played a decent game after a miserable start by the offense and they made it close against a very good team. So there is hope. But I still can't get away from the observation he seems to have a weak arm and lacks the ability to consistently throw a dart when a dart is required. Maybe one day he will.