USMNT: To Rüssia With Love

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That's just a terrible, awful, no-good idea. 
 
I mean, it is great that some want to get themselves an education but college soccer should not be a pathway to professional soccer. That should be handled by academies. More NCAA involvement is such a bad idea.
 

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That's just a terrible, awful, no-good idea. 
 
I mean, it is great that some want to get themselves an education but college soccer should not be a pathway to professional soccer. That should be handled by academies. More NCAA involvement is such a bad idea.
 
I don't think it's a terrible idea because I don't think this will derail the progress we've made in providing a better pathway for top players.  Academies are setting deeper and deeper roots in their communities and starting to ramp up recruiting in farther-flung areas.  Real Salt Lake has players from all over the country in its residential academy in Arizona.  FC Dallas has affiliates all over Texas and elsewhere and quite a few of their academy prospects have come out of El Paso in particular.
 
Meanwhile, LA has built their own full-time reserve team in the USL Pro third division and I'd guess at least a third of the league will eventually follow suit.  Others will affiliate with existing independent USL Pro teams.
 
It all adds up to more players under the aegis of MLS academies and a clear-cut developmental path.  Elite players will go straight to MLS.  Non-elite but still good prospects will be able to cut their teeth in the entry-level USL Pro league and improve from there, rather than wasting away on the bench in MLS or wasting too much time in the NCAA.
 
 
I think that with or without this change, the NCAA's declining influence with the USMNT will continue on its present trajectory.  It's getting easier and easier to fish high-end talent out of the amateur pool without subjecting them to NCAA soccer.  So from a national team perspective, I don't think this would make a huge difference either way.
 
From an MLS perspective, I like this.  The reality is that the NCAA is always going to be there to catch late bloomers and players who don't have options abroad and who aren't part of an MLS academy system and eligible to be signed that way.  If we can improve the developmental experience that these players have, you can potentially improve upon the rank-and-file in MLS which is an unsexy but important goal.
 
One thing that I don't quite understand is how the MLS draft would work.  It's currently in January, so would college programs lose some seniors halfway through the year?  I would have no problem with that, but it seems like something that would rile up college coaches.  I certainly wouldn't want to move the draft up to the summer.
 

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There aren't enough academies, they aren't up to speed yet, and who knows when they will be. Five years from now? Longer?
 
This is a great idea. Anything that makes college soccer more like international soccer is good. Having weekly games, and hopefully a limit of 5 or less subs, will make the game easier to follow for fans and certainly make it easier to adapt for those few players who can make the jump to the pros, like a DeAndre Yedlin, 
 
edit- didn't think about the draft timing. If only MLS had a traditional schedule, or normal free agency
 

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soxfan121 said:
That's just a terrible, awful, no-good idea. 
 
I mean, it is great that some want to get themselves an education but college soccer should not be a pathway to professional soccer. That should be handled by academies. More NCAA involvement is such a bad idea.
 
Well, they see that college sports ARE the pathway to the pros in basketball and football and, to a lesser extent, in baseball and hockey. Why wouldn't they think this would be something to try?
 
I understand that soccer (on the level we're talking about) isn't football or basketball, but the NCAA is also trying to improve it's product.
 

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Reinventing the wheel is not the most efficient path to success. 
 
And the NCAA is such a loathsome organization that I can't abide their involvement.
 

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Reinventing the wheel is not the most efficient path to success. 
 
And the NCAA is such a loathsome organization that I can't abide their involvement.
 
If good players are encouraged to bypass pro opportunities to play the new NCAA season, I'll be pissed too.  I think this is just an attempt to make shitty NCAA soccer a little less shitty, though.
 

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soxfan121, can you point to us on the doll where MLS and US Soccer touched you?
 

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If good players are encouraged to bypass pro opportunities to play the new NCAA season, I'll be pissed too.  I think this is just an attempt to make shitty NCAA soccer a little less shitty, though.
 
What about this suggests they won't be? Instead of copying one of the MANY successful development programs from around the world, America continues to ignore them and intent on using/tweaking a model that makes zero sense if the goal is to eventually win a world cup. 
 
If good pro prospects continue to be fed into the NCAA system instead of professional academies (like the one in KC) it is a continuation of a system that Klinsmann (who, for the uneducated, knows a bit about this) has criticized. 
 

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What about this suggests they won't be? Instead of copying one of the MANY successful development programs from around the world, America continues to ignore them and intent on using/tweaking a model that makes zero sense if the goal is to eventually win a world cup. 
 
If good pro prospects continue to be fed into the NCAA system instead of professional academies (like the one in KC) it is a continuation of a system that Klinsmann (who, for the uneducated, knows a bit about this) has criticized. 
 
This an effort by and for NCAA coaches trying not to lose relevance.  It's not a centrally-engineered USSF plan.  I'm sure the USSF looks at this and say, "fine, sure -- better college soccer isn't a bad thing".  That doesn't mean it's the emphasis or a shift in focus.
 
There's kind of a college soccer derangement syndrome among US soccer fans.  Yes, college soccer kind of sucks.  But you have to realize that the alternative to college soccer for many players is literally nothing.  As in, hang 'em up.  That's it.  No more competitive soccer for you.
 
College soccer is not a good solution and it will never be a good solution, but for the foreseeable future it's going to be part of the process for non-elite players.  Accept this.  Realize that it's okay if college soccer decides to improve itself on the margins.  Know that the really good players have more chances to bypass college soccer than ever before and their ability to find good pro situations bypassing college soccer is increasing every year.  Step away from the ledge!
 

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There's kind of a college soccer derangement syndrome among US soccer fans.  Yes, college soccer kind of sucks.  But you have to realize that the alternative to college soccer for many players is literally nothing.  As in, hang 'em up.  That's it.  No more competitive soccer for you.
 
College soccer is not a good solution and it will never be a good solution, but for the foreseeable future it's going to be part of the process for non-elite players.  Accept this.  Realize that it's okay if college soccer decides to improve itself on the margins.  Know that the really good players have more chances to bypass college soccer than ever before and their ability to find good pro situations bypassing college soccer is increasing every year.  Step away from the ledge!
 
This.
 
My kid *may* have a shot at playing beyond HS level, but he's not an elite player. Why shouldn't college soccer be made better for those kids?
*Academic balance. A looser schedule in the fall would alleviate work-load pressure and distribute academic demands equally over the entire school year.
 
*A proper culmination of the season. The College Cup — semifinals and final over three days in December — is barely noticed, even in the soccer community. It is often played in cold weather and in front of crowds smaller than some of the participating teams often enjoy during the regular season.
 
That part aside, I love soccer and I love my alma mater. I enjoy watching them play because it fuses two things I love. Making that better isn't a problem.
 

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Given the growth of "supporter culture" in the US for soccer recently - people starting to understand and get into the passionate, crazy part of being a soccer fan - colleges have a huge opportunity.  Decline of the NCAA or not, college athletics still
  - enjoy arguably the most passionate connection to the common American sports fan.
  - have boosters and alumni willing to spend money for success
  - have the attention of the perfect demographic - college-age students, those growing up with soccer fanship as the norm.
 
The first school to turn their D-1 program into a supporters-culture driven operation (games are cultural events on campus, traveling support, songs, drinking/tailgating, great uniforms that people want to buy and wear, etc.) will break some new and fertile ground. I know BYU spun off their soccer program into a PDL team with decent success; perhaps the way to get to a better college game is not by reforming the NCAA but by going around it. 
 

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I watched that game last night and was impressed with the quality of soccer, especially (and obviously) LA. Do we have an MLS game thread?
 
I started watching from the start of the 2nd half and enjoyed the soccer being played. I, too, longingly thought of a MLS GT.
 
What's up with the USMNT bros shoving each other?
 

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Ecuador's FA has announced a friendly against the US; no confirmation from the US yet.
 
Sep 3: @Czech Republic
Sep ~8: TBD
Oct ~8: TBD
Oct 14: vs. Ecuador
Nov ~12: TBD
Nov 18: @Ireland
 
 
Sep 3: @Czech Republic
Sep 9: vs. Colombia in San Antonio
Oct ~8: TBD
Oct 14: vs. Ecuador in TBA
Nov ~12: TBD
Nov 18: @Ireland
 
Not official, but this is being reported in local San Antonio media.  I wonder whether we'd see at least a partial split squad situation in September to cut down on player travel.
 
That's a good looking group of friendlies so far.
 

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The U-21 team has a brief camp and a friendly against Bahamas this week.  This is the age cohort that will attempt to qualify for the 2016 Olympics.
 
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Cody Cropper (Southampton)
Zack Steffen (University of Maryland)
 
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A.J. Cochran (Houston Dynamo)
Christian Dean (Vancouver Whitecaps)
Ramon Martin del Campo (UC Irvine)
Bryan Gallego (Arizona United, on loan from Portland Timbers)
Juan Pablo Ocegueda (Alebrijes de Oaxaca, on loan from Tigres UANL)
Will Packwood (Birmingham City)
Oscar Sorto (Los Angeles Galaxy)
 
MF
Dennis Flores (Club León)
Luis Gil (Real Salt Lake)
Marlon Hairston (Colorado Rapids)
Benji Joya (Chicago Fire)
 
FW
Danny Cuevas (Lobos BUAP)
Alonso Hernandez (C.F. Monterrey)
Alfred Koroma (Internacional)
Jordan Morris (Stanford University)
Victor Pineda (Indy Eleven, on loan from Chicago Fire)
Omar Salgado (Vancouver Whitecaps)
 
 
Looks like they scrounged up whoever was available.  This won't be close to the final qualifying roster.  I am glad they are holding camps this early, though -- there are a few new faces here and it's good to start building out the depth chart.
 
The coaching staff for this one is U20 coach Tab Ramos, U18 coach Javier Perez, and USMNT assistant Andi Herzog.  They haven't decided who will coach the Olympic team, but Herzog is currently the best guess.
 

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https://twitter.com/GrantWahl/statuses/499259532527542273
 
 
That's a shame.
 
 
In other news, the 2015 Gold Cup will officially be held in the US - no surprise.  They say that there will be games in at least 10 cities, although they won't be announced until later this year.  Maybe we'll get a US game in Gillette.  The FieldTurf has taken us out of the running for WCQs, but the USSF might throw Boston a bone with a less sexy Gold Cup game.
 

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Hartford with drunk Costa Rica fans is always a good time, so another there or in Foxborough would be great. Even if it is the Gold Cup.
 

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A Grantland piece on Yedlin's rise: http://grantland.com/features/deandre-yedlin-world-cup-2014-newfound-fame-transfer-to-european-club-mls-soccer/
It is crazy, for example, for him to think back to another afternoon in May, during the national team training camp in Palo Alto. After practice one day, Yedlin walked into the clubhouse and saw a player crying on one side of the room. On the other side, another player was telling teammates good-bye. Maybe they got in a fight, Yedlin thought. Maybe there had been a disciplinary issue, and now both players were going home. But minutes later, another player walked in, also fighting back tears. Now it was clear: Klinsmann was starting to make cuts. Then another walked in and announced he was heading home. After him, another. One by one, they went around the room, giving hugs and saying good-bye. Yedlin started counting. Six players had been cut. One more, and the roster would be whittled from 30 to the final 23.
 
In walked Landon Donovan. He told his teammates what the rest of the world would soon find out: For the first time in more than a decade, he wouldn’t be playing in the World Cup. Yedlin was stunned, but in his head, he’d done the math. Seven players gone. Twenty-three left.
 
He called Dylan, his uncle, the man who’d taught him how to play.
“Oh my god,” DeAndre said.
 
“Holy shit,” said Dylan.
 
“Ho-leeee shit.”
 
It dawned on Yedlin: His life would never be the same
 
 

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Sep 3: @Czech Republic
Sep 9: vs. Colombia in San Antonio
Oct ~8: TBD
Oct 14: vs. Ecuador in TBA
Nov ~12: TBD
Nov 18: @Ireland
 
Not official, but this is being reported in local San Antonio media.  I wonder whether we'd see at least a partial split squad situation in September to cut down on player travel.
 
That's a good looking group of friendlies so far.
 
 
Sep 3: @Czech Republic
Sep 9: vs. Colombia in San Antonio (probably nothing now)
Oct ~6: TBD
Oct 10: vs. Ecuador @ Rentschler Field, Hartford, CT
Nov ~12: TBD
Nov 18: @Ireland
 
I might have to make my way to this one.
 

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Well, that is interesting. 
 
Maybe Landycakes forgot to call JK last year before his sabbatical? Or JK just hates Landycakes face. Because Howard "taking a year off" is highly weird in consideration of the previous situation. 
 
That said, good for Guzan. I think he's the #1 in 2018 (on merit) and that Howard knows this and is taking the step back now to help the team AND guarantee himself the backup slot in 2018. 
 
Also good for Sean Johnson, Bill Hamid and maybe Cody Cropper. 
 

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There's a big difference between a year off from the USMNT and what LD did.
 
It's not like Howard's not going to be starting in the Premier League during this time off from the national team.
 

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There's a big difference between a year off from the USMNT and what LD did.
 
It's not like Howard's not going to be starting in the Premier League during this time off from the national team.
 
And the Europa League (whatever that thing is called). And you're right...there is a big difference. 
 

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I agree with everything that's been said.  It's also different because we're not in the middle of World Cup qualifiers.  We don't have a competitive game until the Gold Cup starts in about 11 months.
 

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That said, good for Guzan. I think he's the #1 in 2018 (on merit) and that Howard knows this and is taking the step back now to help the team AND guarantee himself the backup slot in 2018. 
 
Yeah, I'm betting Guzan locks up the starter spot if he has a strong Gold Cup. I love me some Timmy Howard, but he'll be 36 when he makes himself available for selection again next fall, whereas Guzan will be 30 and in his prime. It could be sort of like like the Cech/Courtois situation at Chelsea: the older keeper still great, but the younger keeper also great and the smarter long-term option.
 

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For club and country though? Traveling across the Atlantic both ways? Friedel retired from international duty at 33 in order to keep playing at club level as long as he has. Keller retired from the MNT at 37, Meola at 36, and neither were first choice at that point. I don't mean to anoint Guzan prematurely, just reading the writing on the wall.
 

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The thing is...you can be a first class goalkeeper at 40. We shouldn't proclaim Guzan as the 1 due to age.
 
We definitely shouldn't be in a rush to write Howard off, but I do like Guzan's chances better by 2018.  Howard's greatest strength is his athleticism and when his reflexes begin to slow, his performance level will drop off.  Some keepers with his skillset continue to improve in their positioning and command of the box.  Howard will have to do so to compensate for the ravages of age.
 

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The thing is...you can be a first class goalkeeper at 40. We shouldn't proclaim Guzan as the 1 due to age.
 
True, but Howard stated that he's retiring after this Everton contract runs out in two years. If he skips Copa America, and still plans to retire the following Spring, why doesn't he just retire from international soccer now?
 
EDIT: Scratch that, his contract runs until 2018.
 

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We definitely shouldn't be in a rush to write Howard off, but I do like Guzan's chances better by 2018.  Howard's greatest strength is his athleticism and when his reflexes begin to slow, his performance level will drop off.  Some keepers with his skillset continue to improve in their positioning and command of the box.  Howard will have to do so to compensate for the ravages of age.
 
This may have been true a few years ago, but I think he's already started adjusting for age.  His positioning during the World Cup was excellent.  Of the 15 saves he made against Belgium, very few were flying acrobatic ones, because he was so good at positioning and cutting down the angles.  
 
Michael Cox wrote something during the World Cup about how Howard has improved his all-around game: http://www.espnfc.com/blog/tactics-and-analysis/67/post/1896993/michael-cox-tim-howards-ready-for-portugal-challenge
 

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Roster for the Czech Republic:
 
GK
Cody Cropper (Southampton)
Brad Guzan (Aston Villa)
Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake)
 
DF
John Brooks (Hertha Berlin)
Geoff Cameron (Stoke City)
Tim Chandler (Eintracht Frankfurt)
Greg Garza (Tijuana)
Fabian Johnson (Borussia Mönchengladbach)
Michael Orozco (Puebla)
Tim Ream (Bolton Wanderers)
 
MF
Alejandro Bedoya (Nantes)
Joe Corona (Tijuana)
Mix Diskerud (Rosenborg)
Julian Green (Bayern Munich)
Emerson Hyndman (Fulham)
Alfredo Morales (Ingolstadt)
Brek Shea (Stoke City)
 
FW
Jozy Altidore (Sunderland)
Joseph Gyau (Borussia Dortmund)
Jordan Morris (Stanford)
Rubio Rubin (Utrecht)
Bobby Wood (1860 Munich)
 
(Injured: Aron Johannsson, Terrence Boyd, Danny Williams
 
 
Wow.  Jordan Morris is considered a good prospect, but he is the first college player to be called up to the USMNT in over two decades, I think.  Experimental, indeed.  He spent some time with Seattle's academy and is expected to sign with the Sounders after the college season concludes in the winter.
 
Some other newish names:
 
* Cropper has made his way through the YNTs and is well-liked by the USSF.  He is the front-runner to start for the Olympic team in qualifying.  We don't have many keepers abroad these days, especially with Howard on hiatus, so expect him to show up for these types of friendlies.  I don't think he's that close to the #3 on the depth chart, though.
 
* Greg Garza is a left back who has replaced Edgar Castillo at Tijuana.  Hard worker who has made it farther than I expected.  I don't think there's a tremendous amount of upside, but with our scarcity of options, I can't complain about giving him a look during an experimental period.
 
* Emerson Hyndman -- 18 year old central midfielder who spent years at FC Dallas's academy before moving to Fulham.  He's made his debut this year and looked good in a couple of starts.  He's shown very clean passing and a decent ability to hold the ball for his size (he's small).  Schellas Hyndman's grandson.  He'll be a big part of the U-20s.  I'd expect this to be a cup of coffee for now, but we may see more of him later in the cycle.
 
* Joseph Gyau -- a long-heralded winger prospect.  He's explosively fast, but was also pathetically one-footed.  He spent time with Hoffenheim but didn't get much traction.  Dortmund signed him for their reserve team and he's done well so far in third division in Germany.  Breaking into the first team, obviously, might be a bridge too far.  But as long as he winds up in a decent spot eventually, he could be a factor this cycle.  We really need to add some speed to the team.
 
* Rubio Rubin.  One of our top U-20 prospects who signed with Utrecht this spring.  I expect to see him emerge as a forward over the course of the cycle.
 
* Bobby Wood.  A promising prospect whose career was nearly ended by injuries.  He's been back for a while, but hasn't really made the leap yet.  He needs to score more goals for 1860.
 

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No mention of Landon's send off in the friendly vs. Ecuador in Hartford?  Pretty surprising, and awesome, move.
 
Surprising that JK allowed it, not at all surprising that LD wanted to do it or for Sunil Gulati/USSoccer to make JK do it. 
 

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That is going to be an amazing night in Hartford. I'll be in the supporter's section going absolutely mental.
 
LD has done so much for the popularity of soccer in the US and is far and away its most iconic player -- pretty stoked this is happening in New England. I might need to bring tissues.
 
Now if only we can work on subbing him out for Zelalem at the end of the game...
 

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Surprising that JK allowed it, not at all surprising that LD wanted to do it or for Sunil Gulati/USSoccer to make JK do it. 
 
Exactly.  I suspect JK will be holding his nose on the sideline all night long.
 
Whatever the case, it should be pretty cool.  Suspect LD won't play the full 90 but will rather get to sub-out at some point when victory is assured or out of reach so he can hear the love.
 

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The latest U-20 camp has been announced.  The team will be spending a week in Buenos Aires and will play Argentina U-20.
 
GK
Jeff Caldwell (Virginia)
Santiago Castano (New York Red Bulls)
Evan Louro (Michigan)
 
DF
Conor Donovan (NC State)
Chase Gasper (UCLA)
Matt Miazga (New York Red Bulls)
Shaquell Moore (unattached)
Erik Palmer-Brown (Sporting Kansas City)
John Requejo, Jr. (Club Tijuana)
Tyler Turner (Orlando City)
 
MF
Fernando Arce, Jr. (Club Tijuana)
Gboly Ariyibi (Chesterfield)
Russell Canouse (Hoffenheim)
Luis Felipe (Cruzeiro)
Joel Soñora (Boca Juniors)
 
FW
Paul Arriola (Club Tijuana)
Bradford Jamieson IV (Los Angeles Galaxy)
Zach Pfeffer (Philadelphia Union)
Tommy Thompson (San Jose Earthquakes)
 
 
 
Gasper, Turner, and Ariyibi are the first time U20s.  Turner has been starting at right back all season for Orlando City in the USL Pro league.
 
Guys like Emerson Hyndman and Rubio Rubin are with the full national team.  A variety of MLS and Euro-based players have also been left off the roster.  It's good to build depth considering that a number of key contributors will be unavailable for qualifying.
 

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Bradford Jameson IV. 
 
Really? 
 
He's real.  Get ready for BJ4.
 

 
 
He's pretty athletic, but raw.  Technical ability is only okay, which will probably hold him back from being a top player.  Playing a full USL schedule for LA Galaxy II this year has helped him.  It makes you wonder what will happen when young players all over the league get that opportunity.  He's done well in the USL and earned a few cups of coffee with the first team and he doesn't turn 18 until October.
 
Basically, a somewhat interesting but not elite prospect.  That's okay - we have more exciting attacking prospects in his cohort so we aren't depending on him.
 

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https://twitter.com/BrianSciaretta/status/506799851188015104
 
 
In U-20 news, Tommy Thompson and Tyler Turner have withdrawn from the Argentina camp.  Thompson is starting for San Jose, so flying to Buenos Aires and missing 2+ matches is really a waste of time, particularly when there are two camps over the winter for which he will be available.  Turner has a quad injury, which is too bad for him.  Maybe he'll get another chance this winter.
 
They've been replaced by Junior Flores, Romain Gall, and Luis Martir.  Flores and Gall have been regulars this cycle.  Martir is interesting because he plays for Chivas de Guadalajara.  He was named to an earlier U-20 squad, but withdrew under pressure from his club.  Now he's back, so I'd expect he'll be in the market for a new club in short order.
 

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Basically, a somewhat interesting but not elite prospect.  That's okay - we have more exciting attacking prospects in his cohort so we aren't depending on him.
 
TB - Who would you consider to be the elite U-20 prospects, whether attacking or otherwise?  Rubin?  Hyndman?  EPB?
 

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Quintanariffic said:
 
TB - Who would you consider to be the elite U-20 prospects, whether attacking or otherwise?  Rubin?  Hyndman?  EPB?
 
Pretty much.  EPB is a 97 who is actually playing up a cycle; he'll be eligible for the next U20 team as well.
 
 
I'd add a few:
 
Kellyn Acosta (FC Dallas) -- plays fullback or DM, I think he'll wind up as a DM, where I think he has a lot of potential.
 
Tommy Thompson (San Jose Earthquakes) -- extremely technical, he missed the first few months of the season, but finally debuted and has been very impressive.  Article about him with many GIFs.  Keep in mind that all GIFs were from his first two starts.  He only has five appearances for SJ so far.  Also, his leadership experience from his gubernatorial days could prove useful.
 
And of course, Julian Green who is in the same age cohort, but is ineligible for the U20s because he's cup-tied.
 
I'll also mention Zack Steffen, who is spoken about is glowing terms as the best GK prospect in a while.  However, I've never seen him play and I've seen way, way too many hyped U20 goalkeepers fail to pan out.  Since the epic 1999 tandem of Howard and Rimando, the track record of our U20 goalkeepers is terrible.  MLS backups, guys who never even went pro.  The best guys are Sean Johnson (who still has potential), Chris Seitz (who has finally become a solid MLS pro), and Quentin Westberg (a lifer in the lower leagues of France).  Given that we have a lot of quality adult keepers out there, it goes to show that projecting young GKs is tough.
 
 
 
If I have to pick one, I take Rubin.