The TrevorEnding Story: needs shoulder surgery, out for the year (4/9 update)

moondog80

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So maybe a quick rehab in Florida in October and back for the World Series?
 

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His games played per season in Boston looks like one of those SAT questions where you have to find the next logical number in the sequence:

94, 43, 8. Next number is (scratches figures on the back of a napkin)...-16.

The Sox have plenty of experience in playing without his services in the last 3 years so I certainly expect they have a backup plan in place.
 

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I have updated the thread title with the latest development.
Damn, and I was really thinking of everything his D could mean for the rest of the infield, not to mention needing the RH bat.

We just cut the cable cord and I’ve been mulling the Nesn 360 app…this MASH unit stuff isn’t making it easier to ante up.
 

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Beyond the fact that this absolutely sucks for the 2024 season, that type of injury is harsh enough where there is definitely a possibility you are looking at 3 years of a complete sunk cost in 2025, 2026, 2027.

Let us pray for Marcello Mayer.
 

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3/$72.5 left on his contract after this year assuming he doesn't opt out after next season.
 

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"Concern about bone structure" is not what you want to hear after a shoulder subluxation/dislocation. If its too much bone and too displaced it's not going to heal correctly so a typical fracture healing timeline doesn't apply.

These people often get fractures of their anterior glenoid rim (the tee portion of the "golf ball on a tee" analogy). Labral tears are not good, but when there is also a fracture of the underlying bone, things are even less stable. Some people use 20% as a gauge for how much bone loss requires surgery, though in elite athletes they will probably do surgery for less bone loss than that since they require extreme motion.

El Attrache is the surgeon for a ton of athletes in LA but also from all over the country. DeShaun Watson had a similar injury requiring surgery from him recently.

If people like pictures, can look up "Bony Bankart" "Osseous Bankart" or "Bankart fracture" to see what I mean. I presume that's what theyre getting at in the recent tweet. They also get "Hill-Sachs" fractures of the humeral head but these tend to be less important.

This website also has some stuff.

https://radiologyassistant.nl/musculoskeletal/shoulder/instability#bankart-and-variants
Is it possible its an interior fracture, not to the rim? If so, is this a better form of fracture? Also, it reads as if this means there may not have been a dislocation, but rather the bone being jamned into the socket.

Glenoid Fossa Fractures
The glenoid fossa is the center portion of the socket. Glenoid fossa fractures are much less common and associated with blunt force applied directly to the shoulder joint, such as:
  • Being struck on the shoulder at high velocity
  • Ramming your shoulder against a wall or door
  • Falling directly on the outside of your shoulder during a tackle
There is little data on the ideal treatment of glenoid fossa fractures because they are so rare. Some studies suggest that less than 0.1% of shoulder fractures involve the glenoid fossa.1

With that said, athletes and other physically active people will likely benefit from surgery to avoid any restrictions in the range of motion of their affected shoulder.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/glenoid-fractures-2549790
 

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Welp, it is what is. Speedy recovery to Trevor, definitely not the news I wanted to read today.
 

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I would love to dump his contract and trade him to a contender. This injury goes a long way towards a large sunk cost.
Not now. I'd guess his value is close to zero. Chris Sale proved that if a guy is healthy at the moment, there will be a market for his services. Suck it up, let him rehab, and see where he (and Mayer) stand next April.
 

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Beyond the fact that this absolutely sucks for the 2024 season, that type of injury is harsh enough where there is definitely a possibility you are looking at 3 years of a complete sunk cost in 2025, 2026, 2027.

Let us pray for Marcello Mayer.
I think it's prudent to simply assume he'll not be suiting up in a Boston uniform again. 3 years is an eternity in baseball but frankly given the level of depth and planning the Sox have needed to cover for his injuries over the past 3 years, it might be best to assume the sunk cost.
 

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I think it's prudent to simply assume he'll not be suiting up in a Boston uniform again. 3 years is an eternity in baseball but frankly given the level of depth and planning the Sox have needed to cover for his injuries over the past 3 years, it might be best to assume the sunk cost.
They aren’t going to do that, nor should they. That doesn’t mean the are going to pencil him in for 162 games either.

As I referred to earlier, people here would have been fine if they DFA’d Chris Sale. It turned out to be good that they didn’t.
 

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Defense will be missed. His 86 OPS+ may not be. We’re now officially into sunk cost territory. Oy.
 

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Just an unbelievably poor signing. On par with the Chris Sale extension.

Not anyone's fault, but it just went horribly awry.
 

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Anyone know if the Sox insured the contract? Doesn’t help this year’s team either way, but perhaps an insurance check would increase whatever ownership intends to spend on salaries in 2025.

Looking desperately for a silver lining here, because this is terrible news.
 

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It looks like his deal is through 2027, and we have a $25 mil option for 2028 with a $5 mil buyout.
 

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Is it possible its an interior fracture, not to the rim? If so, is this a better form of fracture? Also, it reads as if this means there may not have been a dislocation, but rather the bone being jamned into the socket.


https://www.verywellhealth.com/glenoid-fractures-2549790
Usually a subluxation/dislocation will fracture the anteroinferior rim, sometimes it's more anterior, sometimes more inferior. It all counts as the rim.

Sounds like they already confirmed the "subluxation" on twitter right? That would be the most common cause of a glenoid fracture. Occasionally you can just fracture more centrally from the humeral head being jammed into the socked.

Regardless, if it needs surgery he's out for the year.
 

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Usually a subluxation/dislocation will fracture the anteroinferior rim, sometimes it's more anterior, sometimes more inferior. It all counts as the rim.

Sounds like they already confirmed the "subluxation" on twitter right? That would be the most common cause of a glenoid fracture. Occasionally you can just fracture more centrally from the humeral head being jammed into the socked.

Regardless, if it needs surgery he's out for the year.

From the official team press release on April 6th:

The Boston Red Sox today placed shortstop Trevor Story on the 10-Day Injured List with a left shoulder dislocation. To fill Story’s spot on the active roster, the club recalled infielder David Hamilton from Triple-A Worcester.
Breslow subsequently met with the press and uttered "subluxation" about a dozen times.
 

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Just an unbelievably poor signing. On par with the Chris Sale extension.

Not anyone's fault, but it just went horribly awry.
Well he had bad inflammation going in, a big reason why there was talk about moving him to second. He was a risky signing to begin with, in a deep SS class. They however waited till the last second when he was the only one left.
 

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Well he had bad inflammation going in, a big reason why there was talk about moving him to second. He was a risky signing to begin with, in a deep SS class. They however waited till the last second when he was the only one left.
Feels like we could have just extended Xander. I know he's at 2B now, but only because Kim is much better at SS.
 

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Story looking to be one of the worst free agent signings ever in Red Sox history. Imo i think Sandoval even produced more for this team during his time here then Story has, i'm not saying it is all Story's fault but it is what it is at this point, he has been absolutely terrible here. The worst part of it all is it felt like his signing was just almost forced after the disaster in losing Xander.
 

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Story looking to be one of the worst free agent signings ever in Red Sox history. Imo i think Sandoval even produced more for this team during his time here then Story has, i'm not saying it is all Story's fault but it is what it is at this point, he has been absolutely terrible here. The worst part of it all is it felt like his signing was just almost forced after the disaster in losing Xander.
Story was signed before X left, they played together in 2022 with X at shortstop and Story at 2B. I do agree with you in that Story was signed with an eye to letting X walk after 2022 and moving Story over to SS. Obviously that turned out to be a catastrophic miscalculation if only on-field results are examined.

We do not know if ownership thinks it's a victory anyway given that Story got far less in FA than X did.
 

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Sandoval: -2.0 fWAR
Story: 2.9 fWAR
Story: signed March 2022
Bogaerts: signed with Padres December 2022

But don't let reality get in the way of your feelings I guess.
 

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Just an unbelievably poor signing. On par with the Chris Sale extension.

Not anyone's fault, but it just went horribly awry.
Well. There were already red flags at the time of the signing. Or yellow ones at least. There was some evidence of injured throwing arm issues, and his offense dropped off significantly in the season before they signed him. There was a reason he was the last standing of that strong FA shortstop class. And Sale was injured when the Sox extended him. Both could be considered bad signings at the time they were made.
THAT SAID - Story's D was truly stunning - like Alex Gonzalez level stunning - and man that made a massive difference. Just gargantuan impact on the whole infield and run prevention. It's a big loss.
 

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What practical value is there in trying to peg how bad of a deal Story's contract is for the Sox? I am genuinely interested in what we can learn from it.

From where I sit, they signed a player and it didn't work out. It happens but if they have a need and a similar player is available at the same relative cost, I would guess they would sign them.

Or are we just going full SoSH and assuming everything that doesn't work is a moral failure on the part of someone instead of a common outcome?