Because you're talking as if potential is the same as future reality. Fultz may or may not be a top 10 player. Guys like Butler and George are at least near that level. If you can get one of them for the pick and not much else, I seriously consider it.
People really still think there are positions on the NBA court? How quaint. In the year 2017 the positions on a basketball court are Point Guard - 3 other guys - 1 big. And the big isn't even a big - its someone capable of defending the other team's big.
I was referring more to the trade down proposals.
This may be the right answer, but Ainge has five weeks to use the #1 pick as an opening to explore discussions with the rest of the Association about the entirety of the roster. Who likes Bradley? Smart? IT? Rozier? Fultz? Ball? Is there a sign-and-trade available? This is Trader Danny heaven.
If this were to happen, Danny would have assurances that LAL was in fact taking Ball. Can't imagine a GM going back on is word at that point.
I think this is right. If Fultz is the guy you want, you don't get cute, because you could lose out on him. If, however, Ainge is like 60/40 on Fultz/Ball, but what he can get from the Lakers is more than enough to make up that difference, then it's a risk he would be willing to live with. Plus, there's the added benefit of the Lakers actually taking Ball, thus allowing you to get Fultz PLUS whatever the Lakers gave you to move up. It would be a game of poker, really. Maybe the Lakers would be playing the Celtics, getting them to think that the Celtics are playing THEM. Who knows.
Except then the only reason the Lakers have to make the trade is to take Danny at face value that he will take Ball with the #1. If in fact the Celtics prefer Fultz, the Lakers prefer Ball, and a deal is made, then there was deception somewhere.
You would not get such assurances -- especially if you started the trade talks by pretend-threatening to take the guy you think the Lakers want.
So it would be OK for Danny to lie to Magic about wanting Ball but it wouldn't be OK for Magic to lie to Danny about the same thing?
Knicks would want a lot more than Fultz. The Porzingis stuff is going to be a distant memory come October but I would absolutely investigate if Phil is willing to talk.
I don't think it is the same thing. Danny is in the drivers seat with the # 1 pick. He can tell Magic that there are other 10 teams insterested in it, or 2) he is somewhat agnostic about Fultz or Ball, and if you 100% want Ball, OK, give me a little something and I will let you for sure have him.
Another future draft choice.
I don't understand why people think Davis is on the table. New Orleans can pay him far more than anybody else, and there's no way they give up on the Cousins/Davis experiment after like 30 games.
Fairly certain we cannot afford Hayward without renouncing Olynyk, and if thats the only way to get an elite player (if he wants to come) I say do it
$4.2 million is the qualifying offer, with a 7.8 million cap hold. He'll get more than that and KO will be a luxury the Celts can't afford if they want to keep max space.
At least be realistic about what you are proposing. Cousins was perceived as damaged goods/serious baggage around the league which devalued him enormously on the trade market. Additionally, the GM said that once he got ownership approval to trade him he jumped at the best deal that materialized before his owner could change his mind on approving the trade. Given either of those two factors there is no scenario where Pelicans would be under such duress to move Davis - it would cost a lot more. Not to mention, if they gambled on creating a new twin towers, they need to give it more than 1/3 of a season to reach fruition - buying that potential from them would also up the price.
Have you folks never seen draft picks on TV where the players and announcers already know they are being traded?
Agreed, which makes me ask the question: given how wrong that looks at the moment... and Ainge seemed mile high on the Winslow evaluation, does this add credence to the Cs trading the unknown (#1) for the known (existing NBA star)? I say no based on smarter people than I liking Fulz... but it does give pause. Is Fulz more of a sure thing than Winslow was?
I still don't believe the offer was as stated, with no protections. I don't know what makes less sense, the Celtics offering it or the Hornets rejecting it to pick Frank Kaminsky .
The better question is why would LA give up anything just to pay Ball more money when he probably isn't even going to work out for the Celtics.
That's definitely a valid question. I'm just talking about the posters that think we'd make this deal and the Lakers would suddenly go "HAHAHAHA, WE WANTED FULTZ ALL ALONG!!!"
Massive salary commitments come with all kinds of crippling inflexibility under the CBA, especially when most of the money is going to good but flawed players like IT. Also no owner is paying $75M for their 2nd and 3rd guard. It seems very likely 1 or 2 of IT/Smart/Bradley is going to be gone after next season at the latest. Smart seems like an easier keep because he's the youngest, he plays a lot of different roles and he's likely to cost the least. Bradley and IT (particularly IT) are less flexible, will cost more, and have the same issue with size. Personally I think IT should be the odd man out, but for those who don't, AB has good trade value as well if he's the choice to move on from.
I'm trying to think of what a realistic return would be for Davis. My first thought was that IT would have to go to New Orleans, but then I remembered (I think!) that IT and Cousins have some issues, so maybe that wouldn't be what NO wants.
This is all that really matters. Keep the picks, stay competitive, and build a Spurs-like culture. This team has a chance to be frighteningly good in 5 or 6 years (and for long after that) and you don't blow that up so you can watch Jimmy Butler get steamrolled by Lebron or Kevin Durant.
Yes he is. I can only go by what a majority of the draft people are saying, but as far as anything can really be certain, Fultz is on a whole other level compared to Winslow.
I know it would never happen, but in order to improve a rival like that (giving Philly Fultz) they better be bringing a lot more than Saric + #3.
