The Nation's Tears: Pink Stripes
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Has anyone noticed that the DraftKings ad had the guy in throwback Brady jersey and now.... it's just red?
I wrote a piece on some of the inside from the Do Your Job doc and how much teams have to prepare for a tiny number of goal line scenarios:
http://insidethepylon.com/film-study/film-study-nfl/defense-film-study-nfl/2015/09/10/do-your-job-the-goal-line/
http://insidethepylon.com/film-study/film-study-nfl/defense-film-study-nfl/2015/09/10/do-your-job-the-goal-line/
edmunddantes said:
This especially is delicious in the wake of all the pathetic accusations that the Patriots must have stolen playcalls because the other team's plays didn't work. God forbid that players have to use their brains to make adjustments on the field!
This is an awesome piece. Was particularly impressed by the way it built off what we saw in the doc with some real insights into the other games by SEA and NE.Super Nomario said:
I know that I'm biased -- very biased -- but is it possible to watch Do Your Job and not view as comical the notion that the Pats' success is rooted in cheating? I mean, I guess it's you can be incredibly hard working, incredibly innovative and a chronic cheater, all at the same time. But the two former attributes scream out from that look behind the scenes, no?
A smaller point: I don't recall Bill ever being so candid/negative about a player as he was about Kyle Arrington. True, he praised Arrington's play in the first two playoff games but he essentially called Kyle mentally weak in that he's prone to losing his concentration and technique when things go south. After 25 did not see the field in the second half of the SB, I thought it would be tough to bring him back this season. Bill's comments seem consistent with that.
What a great look behind the curtain that was. As much as America's Game was really very little new, that was totally fresh. I'm just sorry that the clip with Stephen Belichick talking about how much it meant to him didn't make the cut.
A smaller point: I don't recall Bill ever being so candid/negative about a player as he was about Kyle Arrington. True, he praised Arrington's play in the first two playoff games but he essentially called Kyle mentally weak in that he's prone to losing his concentration and technique when things go south. After 25 did not see the field in the second half of the SB, I thought it would be tough to bring him back this season. Bill's comments seem consistent with that.
What a great look behind the curtain that was. As much as America's Game was really very little new, that was totally fresh. I'm just sorry that the clip with Stephen Belichick talking about how much it meant to him didn't make the cut.
TheoShmeo said:
Am I the only one who thought the Stephen clip sounded like Bill was doing a dub voiceover? Creepy.
And that's one big way in which "do your job" can be misleading without seeing the documentary. When I first heard the phrase, I assumed it meant "put your head down, stick to the plan, execute it well". But the documentary shows that the job Belichick expects of players is far more than what most coaches do.speedracer said:
That was fucking awesome. Bill Belichick really is so completely misunderstood by people outside of New England. Where is the arrogance that everyone always mentions? Here's what I saw:
1. Preparation, knowledge of the game, and creativity that is unmatched.
2. A guy who surrounds himself with great assistants and then encourages them to come up with their own ideas or challenge his. "I make mistakes, and it is easier for others to recognize them than it is for me to recognize them" or something like that. Consider the fact that he's been in the league forever, accomplished everything, and has seen it all, his willingness to be open to new ideas from his assistants is amazing.
3. He never, ever badmouths the opponents players or coaches. During the segment on the formations used during the Ravens game he's clear to note that everything they did was within the rules, but passes on the opportunity to blast Harbaugh for being a whiner.
4. Conversely, he never, ever makes excuses for his own team's failures, and owns those as his own failures. There is a zero percent chance he would ever whine about something like that happening to them.
5. In the end, gives all of the credit to the players.
He's not perfect but he's as close as we'll ever see. It is a damn shame that the fact that he doesn't suffer fools in the media, and plain old fashion jealousy, keeps him from getting the credit he deserves, and allows for the shitty "cheatriots" narrative to somehow get more play in the media than the real reasons why he's maybe the best coach ever.
1. Preparation, knowledge of the game, and creativity that is unmatched.
2. A guy who surrounds himself with great assistants and then encourages them to come up with their own ideas or challenge his. "I make mistakes, and it is easier for others to recognize them than it is for me to recognize them" or something like that. Consider the fact that he's been in the league forever, accomplished everything, and has seen it all, his willingness to be open to new ideas from his assistants is amazing.
3. He never, ever badmouths the opponents players or coaches. During the segment on the formations used during the Ravens game he's clear to note that everything they did was within the rules, but passes on the opportunity to blast Harbaugh for being a whiner.
4. Conversely, he never, ever makes excuses for his own team's failures, and owns those as his own failures. There is a zero percent chance he would ever whine about something like that happening to them.
5. In the end, gives all of the credit to the players.
He's not perfect but he's as close as we'll ever see. It is a damn shame that the fact that he doesn't suffer fools in the media, and plain old fashion jealousy, keeps him from getting the credit he deserves, and allows for the shitty "cheatriots" narrative to somehow get more play in the media than the real reasons why he's maybe the best coach ever.
Ralphwiggum said:
I don't think this is correct. It creates cognitive dissonance for people, but I think he is both recognized as one of the greatest coaches of all time (if not the ultimate), while permitting the cheating narrative to fester. It's one of the things that drives people bananas.
Yeah, I agree, that wasn't phrased exactly the way I wanted it to be. He definitely gets credit for being the best (or one of the best), it is just too bad people don't put too much effort into figuring out what exactly makes him the best, rather than latching onto the lazy cheating narrative. I thought last night was even more in depth on what makes him great than the 2009 NFL Films piece.
I hope this puts to bed the talk radio mantra that Bill doesn't have or want assistant coaches that challenge him.
It does make me a little sad that the arrogance moniker is applied solely because he refuses to make lazy reporter's lives easy by feeding the hot takz machine. He deserves better then that.
It does make me a little sad that the arrogance moniker is applied solely because he refuses to make lazy reporter's lives easy by feeding the hot takz machine. He deserves better then that.
Boy, was that a great show. I really liked the sequence about the no time out. Good for NFLN for recognizing the better story. Football fans say they are football fans but really they act like TMZ fans. Good for NFLN for at least one evening leaving the TMZ to ESPN etc.
I thought BB's discussion of Arrington was fascinating. I've never really heard him talk about a particular player's psychological make up quite in the way that he did there.
I thought BB's discussion of Arrington was fascinating. I've never really heard him talk about a particular player's psychological make up quite in the way that he did there.
I believe he lit into Welker pretty well for his pick that injured Talib during the 2013 AFCCG. This, however, seemed to be a rare occurrence. Otherwise, I agree with everything you said.Ralphwiggum said:
Freddie "he's terrible and you can print that" Mitchell is another example.Dropkick Izzy said:
I'll upload the video to my Vimeo account where everything else is.
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Holy shit it's downloading slow :/
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Holy shit it's downloading slow :/
You're right that Edelman make a similar play in practice but that was a clip from him at training camp during his rookie year. That said, I don't think putting in that play was super dramatic as that slant/out cut is a fairly common route, especially for something like Edelman. It's not like they were installing the double pass the night before. That said, they deserve a ton a credit for running it again for the clinching TD.Bongorific said:
Also, if BB is going talk shit about a player it's usually a WR. Add Derek Mason to that list, although that was in game.
Beyond that, I really think the bitterness about BB will fade over time, especially as more of these kinds of inside looks are made.
Re-watching and I am still amazed at the touch Brady put on the ball for the Amendola TD catch. Three tall players jump and miss just under the ball but the ball comes down perfectly to hit Amendola at the top of his jump.
I perhaps assign more significance to this than warranted, but I appreciated that the game plan binder for the superbowl simply said Seattle 2/1/2015, just like every other game pan binder. Like BB and his players tend to say to the media, they prepare the same way for that game as any other.
Cabin Mirror said:
I got the sense that maybe that wasn't really the actual binder, but instead those were sort of props set up by NFL films to separate out the segments of the film. The Seattle one actually had the XLIX logo on it. Did someone in the Patriots organization really create a binder with a loosely affixed label, but go to the trouble of getting special logo'd blank labels to feed through a printer?
Thank you I thought I was the only one who picked up on that. Both of them had Brady jerseys in the original ad. You can actually still see the shadow of the photoshop if you pause it.CaptainLaddie said:
Papelbon's Poutine said:
Do any other NFL trademarks appear in the ad? Probably the NFL was not happy about its marks being used in advertisements for gambling, or at least for using them for products or services for which they do not get any money.
DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
The following was in an article I found regarding FanDuel specifically, but I don't see why it wouldn't apply to DraftKings as well:
http://www.igamingbusiness.com/news/fanduel-secures-major-nfl-presence-new-partnerships
rodderick, on 09 Sept 2015 - 8:18 PM, said:
To me, that one piece of information is enough to stop dumping on Amendola's meager production vs. his cost. Put another way, it's also one answer to the question, "why is he still here." He wasn't targeted on the play ("Brady HATES HIM!!!!!!) yet it may have turned out to be one of the 10 biggest plays of the year. And but for this documentary NO ONE outside the team would ever know about it. And its not just the preparation aspect, but the empowerment; of the coaches in dealing with Belichick, and here's a struggling receiver overruling the OC and Tom Brady. That Amendola remained that invested after becoming an afterthought is a tribute to him and the coaches.
People are ragging on Billick's "that's all he's ever done" comment. I think that's too harsh. It was ham-handed, but it comes close to the truth about continuity. "institutional knowledge" about football is a pretty big thing. And I thought that for two guys who are normally incoherent and who Bill Belichick helped drive into coaching irrelevancy ("why can't we be like the Patriots?"), I thought Billick and Mariucci were OK. Mariucci clearly has a fondness for Walsh, but I don't think either quibbled with the idea of Belichick as GOAT.
EDIT: Or maybe my expectations were so low, this was Ken Burns's Civil War by comparison.
rodderick said:
To me, that one piece of information is enough to stop dumping on Amendola's meager production vs. his cost. Put another way, it's also one answer to the question, "why is he still here." He wasn't targeted on the play ("Brady HATES HIM!!!!!!) yet it may have turned out to be one of the 10 biggest plays of the year. And but for this documentary NO ONE outside the team would ever know about it. And its not just the preparation aspect, but the empowerment; of the coaches in dealing with Belichick, and here's a struggling receiver overruling the OC and Tom Brady. That Amendola remained that invested after becoming an afterthought is a tribute to him and the coaches.
People are ragging on Billick's "that's all he's ever done" comment. I think that's too harsh. It was ham-handed, but it comes close to the truth about continuity. "institutional knowledge" about football is a pretty big thing. And I thought that for two guys who are normally incoherent and who Bill Belichick helped drive into coaching irrelevancy ("why can't we be like the Patriots?"), I thought Billick and Mariucci were OK. Mariucci clearly has a fondness for Walsh, but I don't think either quibbled with the idea of Belichick as GOAT.
EDIT: Or maybe my expectations were so low, this was Ken Burns's Civil War by comparison.
singaporesoxfan said:
I don't think that's right either. Bellichick is heard saying that in the second half of the most important game of the year with his team down and needing to execute. The mantra of doing your job is meant to focus the players on the process and not get carried away by the emotions fueled by the high stakes. And I guess that's a nice juxtaposition with the climactic, emotional speeches we ve grown accustomed to through movies. Those may look nice, but in reality when people get carried away by emotion, they are prone to make mistakes by deviating by what they know and what their role is. That's why Do your Job is useful. It focuses the players on what they know and what they ve trained for and not trying to be heroes.
As far as Arrington is concerned, I am wondering whether Bellichick was jist diplomatic there and didn't want to say that he was just shorter than Matthews.
I loved the documentary, but to be honest, I don't have a frame of reference. Yes, the patriots are meticulous and they prepare for other teams' plays in practice. Ok. Don't other teams do that? I suspect they do. Everyone in the NFL is working their ass off. And yet the Patriots do it better. So I wish I could know how other teams really operate. I suspect that at the end of the day, it's just the details and a proper organization which focuses on the process being right.
I loved the documentary, but to be honest, I don't have a frame of reference. Yes, the patriots are meticulous and they prepare for other teams' plays in practice. Ok. Don't other teams do that? I suspect they do. Everyone in the NFL is working their ass off. And yet the Patriots do it better. So I wish I could know how other teams really operate. I suspect that at the end of the day, it's just the details and a proper organization which focuses on the process being right.
Seriously, it's saying 4 hours.brandonchristensen said:
Three things that stood out in the first 30 minutes:
- Amendola calling off the double pass - it was pointed out before that's part of the reason he's still a Patriot
- TY Hilton was mentally crushed in the AFC Championship game; someone was complaining about not having any room in the flat because of DMC and he just mumbles into his chest "Welcome to my world."
- I never thought I would be satisfied with a replacement of Scar, but I like DeGuglielmo; not only did he get the line in shape, but he's pretty funny too. Tom Brady the "ninja"
I'm trying to imagine what Peyton Manning's response would be if Wes Welker or Cody Latimer overruled him.joe dokes said:rodderick, on 09 Sept 2015 - 8:18 PM, said:
To me, that one piece of information is enough to stop dumping on Amendola's meager production vs. his cost. Put another way, it's also one answer to the question, "why is he still here." He wasn't targeted on the play ("Brady HATES HIM!!!!!!) yet it may have turned out to be one of the 10 biggest plays of the year. And but for this documentary NO ONE outside the team would ever know about it. And its not just the preparation aspect, but the empowerment; of the coaches in dealing with Belichick, and here's a struggling receiver overruling the OC and Tom Brady.
Nick Kaufman said:
I though Belichick was being diplomatic there and didn't want to say that Arrington sucks.
Ralphwiggum said:
When I was growing up in Crimson Tide country during the Bryant years, there was no satellite TV. Your favorite college team might be on ABC once or twice in a season. So there was a Sunday show where they'd roll the previous day's game film and Bryant would mumble over the crappy video of the plays. (Auburn and FSU had these shows, too.) After an Alabama loss, Bryant had a go-to explanation: "Poor coaching."
To do this is good coaching.
DrewDawg said:
Belichick also had to stifle laughter when thinking of My Cousin Vinnie, which I think he said he'd seen 50 times.