Bad high ankle sprains really fucking hurt. And that’s without a 300lb NFL player landing on it.If he was screaming like that over a minor ankle sprain after the hobbling he pulled a couple weeks ago which came up negative…
I’m more concerned about that than what we saw in terms of performance on the field.
Seriously. I had a sprain that pulled a piece of bone off and for the first 10 minutes I was ready to have someone cut my foot off to make it stop hurting.Bad high ankle sprains really fucking hurt. And that’s without a 300lb NFL player landing on it.
+1. When I tore up my ankle -- tore ligaments on the inside and outside of the ankle and also tore a piece of bone off, -- I thought I was going to pass out from the pain. Literally, as in I started to get that dizzy thing that happens right before you faint.Seriously. I had a sprain that pulled a piece of bone off and for the first 10 minutes I was ready to have someone cut my foot off to make it stop hurting.
Well, you're clearly not the kind of quarterback that Arroyoyo wants under center, sir.+1. When I tore up my ankle -- tore ligaments on the inside and outside of the ankle and also tore a piece of bone off, -- I thought I was going to pass out from the pain. Literally, as in I started to get that dizzy thing that happens right before you faint.
I broke my tibia straight up from the ankle joint and then along the growth plate to the edge. I needed a screw to bring the two pieces back together. A couple years later, I sprained my ankle playing backyard volleyball (came down on someone else’s foot). That hurt way worse. That night I was sleeping on the coach with my foot up. I had to get up to go to the bathroom. Being vertical caused a lot of fluid to drain to my injured ankle. It hurt so bad I started crying.+1. When I tore up my ankle -- tore ligaments on the inside and outside of the ankle and also tore a piece of bone off, -- I thought I was going to pass out from the pain. Literally, as in I started to get that dizzy thing that happens right before you faint.
My injury also happened playing volleyball.I broke my tibia straight up from the ankle joint and then along the growth plate to the edge. I needed a screw to bring the two pieces back together. A couple years later, I sprained my ankle playing backyard volleyball (came down on someone else’s foot). That hurt way worse. That night I was sleeping on the coach with my foot up. I had to get up to go to the bathroom. Being vertical caused a lot of fluid to drain to my injured ankle. It hurt so bad I started crying.
You didn’t read what I wrote.Bad high ankle sprains really fucking hurt. And that’s without a 300lb NFL player landing on it.
Again, misrepresented what I said. Reread the post.Well, you're clearly not the kind of quarterback that Arroyoyo wants under center, sir.
Mine was in a hockey game, and I left the ice in a similar fashion to how Mac left the field today. I was convinced it was broken.My injury also happened playing volleyball.
It's still a silly concern. People can't control the pain that they feel. Sometimes players are fooled into thinking they just suffered a season/career-ending injury in the heat of the moment. See Marcus Smart last playoffs where he came back to play like 5 minutes after being carried away. Although, maybe Smart is a wussie too.You didn’t read what I wrote.
I mentioned if it was a MINOR ankle sprain. A high ankle sprain is not minor. Some folks mentioned it didn’t look like a typical high ankle injury, and with it not appearing to be broken, I was talking about “if this is a minor ankle sprain…”
I agree. The INTs were ungood regardless of what Henry, Parker said. I am fairly confident that Jones will fix some of the issues that led to them.Well aside from the injury of course, I think that I saw some good things among all of the bad. This won't be a popular take, and 3 INT is never good, but 22/32 for 321 (10.0 Y/A) is growth for a kid who spent most of last year checking down. He's obviously going to have to learn that defenders are leaving where he expects them to be and undercutting where he wants to throw. It's a process, and he'll have to put the time into better awareness post-snap of where the defense is.
It was a comment about how twice, immediately after poor play, he’s very visibly been in pain the last few weeks. It was commentary on how players that immediately point to “something being wrong” so publicly can be insufferable to watch and root for, especially when you hear a few days later there’s no significant injury. It also puts a target on your back as a player where in the event you have a minor injury that you can play through you just broadcast to the NFL to target you there.It's still a silly concern. People can't control the pain that they feel. Sometimes players are fooled into thinking they just suffered a season/career-ending injury in the heat of the moment. See Marcus Smart last playoffs.
My first standard (not high) ankle sprain was the worst pain that I ever felt in my life. Hurt so much that I couldn't breathe for a few minutes. By the next morning the ankle was exactly twice the size of its counterpart, and I had blueish toes and all sorts of decoloration on the foot and calf for two weeks. The "rush" of pain that you describe when having to put it back on the ground to walk anywhere--I can still feel it.I broke my tibia straight up from the ankle joint and then along the growth plate to the edge. I needed a screw to bring the two pieces back together. A couple years later, I sprained my ankle playing backyard volleyball (came down on someone else’s foot). That hurt way worse. That night I was sleeping on the coach with my foot up. I had to get up to go to the bathroom. Being vertical caused a lot of fluid to drain to my injured ankle. It hurt so bad I started crying.
Yeah if he never learns how to anticipate/see robbers and throws 25 ints every year, then the doubters will be right. But he showed that he can throw deep with good placement against a good defense. Oddly, his problems today were processing mostly.I agree. The INTs were ungood regardless of what Henry, Parker said. I am fairly confident that Jones will fix some of the issues that led to them.
That said, Mac showed some pretty nifty NFL skills this game. I know that's not enough for some people and they may well be right long term.
However despite the loss and injury, this game suggests he may well be capable of taking a team pretty far. I know I am on an island here so no need for anyone to disabuse me of my views. If he is just a mediocrity like you believe, I will acknowledge it eventually. But I need more data before I get there.
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First. Thanks for your posts. I always learn something from them.On the one hand Mac is pushing the ball more downfield and being much more aggressive this year. On the other he is making too many mental mistakes and he’s in a league where even bad QBs make at the most ~1.5 turnover worthy kind of plays per game on average. Against Miami he was fine. Vs Pittsburgh he had 2. Today he had 2 or 3 (1st and 3rd interceptions for sure). He’s 3 games into year 2 so it’s impossible to make any sweeping conclusions. He hasn’t played well but he has made some nice plays. Progress isn’t always linear. The highs of his game this year are “the guy” caliber but the frequency of the lows and his mental inconsistencies especially post-snap are just the opposite. Can he learn to eliminate some of the poor decision making while continuing to be aggressive? Will his post-snap vision and processing improve?
The league will continue to evolve and we’ll likely see those guys win multiple Super Bowls between them. But let’s not forget that there have been 2 Super Bowls in the last 20 years won by a “mobile” QB. Mac’s never going to have the arm strength of Stafford, the size of Big Ben, or the ability to draw pass interference on under thrown balls of Flacco, but could he be as effective? Maybe.First. Thanks for your posts. I always learn something from them.
The two questions at the end of your latest post are interesting. Let's say a qualified "yes" to both. Do you feel that even at his best Mac Jones is the long-term answer in the modern NFL and in a conference with young extraordinarily mobile quarterbacks like, Mahomes, Jackson, Hebert and Allen?
I do realize that the Patriots did win championships twice in the past five years with that type of quarterback but that was Tom Brady with over 15 years of experience surrounded by remarkable skill players on offense. I also do realize dynamic mobile quarterbacks do not grow on trees but they can sometimes be available in the draft or in free agency. Your thoughts would be appreciated.
Mac Jones' statistical rankings through three games (and who knows there will be any more this season...):
Completion %: #12 (66.0%)
Pass Yards: #11 (786)
Yds/Attempt: #4 (8.1)
Touchdowns: #27 (2)
Interceptions: #30 (5) - I don't really know how to rank him in this category because the stats include non-QBs that have thrown interceptions, as well as backup QBs that have come in and thrown one... let's just acknowledge that of the 32 starting QBs in the NFL, he's thrown the most interceptions with 5, tied with Winston and Stafford. Since it's a tie among the three of them, they'd technically all be ranked #30.
Passer Rating: #31 (76.2)
So the first three numbers are pretty good. He's completing a high percentage of his passes - not elite level, but pretty solid. He's thrown for a good number of yards over three games. In other words, he's moving the ball, and doing it pretty efficiently. And his yards per attempt number is outstanding. So those are all good measurements.
The passing touchdowns is not something I really care that much about. There was one play yesterday where a receiver caught it and went out of bounds at the 2 and then the Pats ran it in. If the receiver stays in bounds and gets into the end zone it's a touchdown pass, which looks better for Mac's stats, but doesn't change the game at all because the Pats scored anyway, just via a running play.
It's the interceptions that are crippling. Basically last (worst) in the league. Now I haven't seen Stafford except for his first game, and I haven't seen Winston at all, so I don't know what kind of interceptions they're throwing. But here's a list of guys with four INTs: Matt Ryan, Derek Carr, Justin Fields, and last year's darling, Joe Burrow.
So the two starting QBs in last year's Super Bowl have 4 and 5 interceptions. Mac has 5. Both those guys are better than Mac Jones is, but it goes to show that even excellent QBs can throw a lot of interceptions over a short span of games. Both of those guys have MUCH better weapons than Mac does, yet they basically have the same turnovers.
And obviously the lack of TD, combined with the high number of INTs, is what's crippling his passer rating.
So moving forward, whenever Mac gets on the field, while I'm not concerned about the number of TD passes he throws as long as NE is getting into the end zone, I *am* very much concerned about his turnovers. One thing I just didn't anticipate was him turning the ball over a lot. Yesterday he absolutely pushed the ball down the field a LOT more than in the previous two games, and of course doing that is riskier. If he does that over the course of a season there are going to be more interceptions almost by default. But he needs to be better. A lot better.
The bold.....First. Thanks for your posts. I always learn something from them.
The two questions at the end of your latest post are interesting. Let's say a qualified "yes" to both. Do you feel that even at his best Mac Jones is the long-term answer in the modern NFL and in a conference with young extraordinarily mobile quarterbacks like, Mahomes, Jackson, Hebert and Allen?
I do realize that the Patriots did win championships twice in the past five years with that type of quarterback but that was Tom Brady with over 15 years of experience surrounded by remarkable skill players on offense. I also do realize dynamic mobile quarterbacks do not grow on trees but they can sometimes be available in the draft or in free agency. Your thoughts would be appreciated.
He can't have three turnovers and expect to win very often in the NFL. That's what he needs to clean up. His stats show that he's only average at best in taking care of the ball in his short career, and this year he's much worse than average. Small sample size, as - if you noticed - Burrow and Stafford are right there with him, and those guys went to the SB last year. But still.....100% Mac needs to be a lot better.Does Mac really need to be “a lot better”? This game was a one score game, inches from being a 3-point game, late in the 4th. Admittedly I watched this game in DVR so I knew the outcome already but Mac was far more in control of the offense yesterday for most of the game.
I mean, you aren’t a Pats fan if you weren’t giddy watching that play to Jonnu where he moved right then left when the play wasn’t there. Beyond that tho: the guy was absolutely in control on that drive in a way that he never was really allowed to be a season ago. Even after the terrible red zone INT later in the game, the defense got a stop and he came right out slinging the ball in the fourth. Were it not for Agolhor’s fumble, Mac has them in position to go up 32-31 with only a few minutes left.
Belichick said after the game and again this am that they just had too many negative plays. I get the need to not be too rose-colored glasses about the team and to focus on the mistakes right now but maybe he’s right. This was the first game where Mac pushed the ball down the field effectively for most of this game. Pretty much everybody but Henry was involved. This was a much more dynamic, aggressive and, dare I say, dangerous offense yesterday than in the first two weeks. And Mac was a big reason why.
Does Mac need to be “a lot better” to win games? Or does he just need to cut down on a few mistakes? Belichick seems to think it’s the latter. Hopefully Mac’s ankle isn’t too messed up for us to find out.
Why would the mobility of opposing QBs affect Jones at all? He isn't the one defending them, nor are they defending him.First. Thanks for your posts. I always learn something from them.
The two questions at the end of your latest post are interesting. Let's say a qualified "yes" to both. Do you feel that even at his best Mac Jones is the long-term answer in the modern NFL and in a conference with young extraordinarily mobile quarterbacks like, Mahomes, Jackson, Hebert and Allen?
I do realize that the Patriots did win championships twice in the past five years with that type of quarterback but that was Tom Brady with over 15 years of experience surrounded by remarkable skill players on offense. I also do realize dynamic mobile quarterbacks do not grow on trees but they can sometimes be available in the draft or in free agency. Your thoughts would be appreciated.
Honestly, I deserve the hate...i didn't even sound out the name. I did google it after the RT and saw a couple of listings...but still a complete brain fartYou suck at this. Stop it.
He made a bunch of WOW throws yesterday, I thought. I mean, those deep balls were ON POINT. What's not "WOW" about those?The interceptions are getting worrying, in part because, they and many similar throws that don't get picked due to bad hands, are a product of a lot of bad decision making.
Mac is a Jimmy G type, he's not going to offset mistakes with WOW throws, and he's going to face tight defenses because teams don't respect his arm in terms of pushing it on a line to the boundary. He needs to execute at a high level to be above average, and he's not doing that right now.
But honestly, if Mac checked into a certain play and every other receiver got the check, and Parker gave a clear "WTF?" signal (which apparently he did), then in NO way should Mac have thrown it to him. You just don't throw it to a guy who has no idea what route he's supposed to run.I think it’s pretty clear that Parker ran the wrong route there. The throw is to the back corner of the end zone and the receiver is looking over his right shoulder as the ball is thrown. EDIT: Or if not looking, his body is turned the wrong direction.
He's not going to see that. He's communicating to Rhamondre the audible call there to clear out the other DB into the flat. The play was for a fade in the corner for a jump ball to Parker, who totally blew the route.But honestly, if Mac checked into a certain play and every other receiver got the check, and Parker gave a clear "WTF?" signal (which apparently he did), then in NO way should Mac have thrown it to him. You just don't throw it to a guy who has no idea what route he's supposed to run.
Ok I didn't realize he's just communicating to Rhamondre, because the other receivers seemed to indicate they got the audible. All except Parker.He's not going to see that. He's communicating to Rhamondre the audible call there to clear out the other DB into the flat. The play was for a fade in the corner for a jump ball to Parker, who totally blew the route.