The Michael McCorkle "Mac" Jones Thread

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If he was screaming like that over a minor ankle sprain after the hobbling he pulled a couple weeks ago which came up negative…

I’m more concerned about that than what we saw in terms of performance on the field.
Bad high ankle sprains really fucking hurt. And that’s without a 300lb NFL player landing on it.
 

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Bad high ankle sprains really fucking hurt. And that’s without a 300lb NFL player landing on it.
Seriously. I had a sprain that pulled a piece of bone off and for the first 10 minutes I was ready to have someone cut my foot off to make it stop hurting.
 

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Seriously. I had a sprain that pulled a piece of bone off and for the first 10 minutes I was ready to have someone cut my foot off to make it stop hurting.
+1. When I tore up my ankle -- tore ligaments on the inside and outside of the ankle and also tore a piece of bone off, -- I thought I was going to pass out from the pain. Literally, as in I started to get that dizzy thing that happens right before you faint.
 

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+1. When I tore up my ankle -- tore ligaments on the inside and outside of the ankle and also tore a piece of bone off, -- I thought I was going to pass out from the pain. Literally, as in I started to get that dizzy thing that happens right before you faint.
Well, you're clearly not the kind of quarterback that Arroyoyo wants under center, sir.
 

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+1. When I tore up my ankle -- tore ligaments on the inside and outside of the ankle and also tore a piece of bone off, -- I thought I was going to pass out from the pain. Literally, as in I started to get that dizzy thing that happens right before you faint.
I broke my tibia straight up from the ankle joint and then along the growth plate to the edge. I needed a screw to bring the two pieces back together. A couple years later, I sprained my ankle playing backyard volleyball (came down on someone else’s foot). That hurt way worse. That night I was sleeping on the coach with my foot up. I had to get up to go to the bathroom. Being vertical caused a lot of fluid to drain to my injured ankle. It hurt so bad I started crying.
 

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I broke my tibia straight up from the ankle joint and then along the growth plate to the edge. I needed a screw to bring the two pieces back together. A couple years later, I sprained my ankle playing backyard volleyball (came down on someone else’s foot). That hurt way worse. That night I was sleeping on the coach with my foot up. I had to get up to go to the bathroom. Being vertical caused a lot of fluid to drain to my injured ankle. It hurt so bad I started crying.
My injury also happened playing volleyball.
 

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Bad high ankle sprains really fucking hurt. And that’s without a 300lb NFL player landing on it.
You didn’t read what I wrote.

I mentioned if it was a MINOR ankle sprain. A high ankle sprain is not minor. Some folks mentioned it didn’t look like a typical high ankle injury, and with it not appearing to be broken, I was talking about “if this is a minor ankle sprain…”
 

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I am quite sure that there is not a 100% correlation between acute pain and severity of injury. But it’s moot as it sounds as if the injury IS severe, and that we pretty much knew that by the time of Arroyoyo’s post, so this is either backtracking or irrelevance.
 

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You didn’t read what I wrote.

I mentioned if it was a MINOR ankle sprain. A high ankle sprain is not minor. Some folks mentioned it didn’t look like a typical high ankle injury, and with it not appearing to be broken, I was talking about “if this is a minor ankle sprain…”
It's still a silly concern. People can't control the pain that they feel. Sometimes players are fooled into thinking they just suffered a season/career-ending injury in the heat of the moment. See Marcus Smart last playoffs where he came back to play like 5 minutes after being carried away. Although, maybe Smart is a wussie too.

Anyways, if my memory serves correct, Mac showed some of that "rub some dirt on it" kind of grit last season. I'm not worried about his toughness.
 

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Well aside from the injury of course, I think that I saw some good things among all of the bad. This won't be a popular take, and 3 INT is never good, but 22/32 for 321 (10.0 Y/A) is growth for a kid who spent most of last year checking down. He's obviously going to have to learn that defenders are leaving where he expects them to be and undercutting where he wants to throw. It's a process, and he'll have to put the time into better awareness post-snap of where the defense is.
I agree. The INTs were ungood regardless of what Henry, Parker said. I am fairly confident that Jones will fix some of the issues that led to them.


That said, Mac showed some pretty nifty NFL skills this game. I know that's not enough for some people and they may well be right long term.

However despite the loss and injury, this game suggests he may well be capable of taking a team pretty far. I know I am on an island here so no need for anyone to disabuse me of my views. If he is just a mediocrity like you believe, I will acknowledge it eventually. But I need more data before I get there.
 

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It's still a silly concern. People can't control the pain that they feel. Sometimes players are fooled into thinking they just suffered a season/career-ending injury in the heat of the moment. See Marcus Smart last playoffs.
It was a comment about how twice, immediately after poor play, he’s very visibly been in pain the last few weeks. It was commentary on how players that immediately point to “something being wrong” so publicly can be insufferable to watch and root for, especially when you hear a few days later there’s no significant injury. It also puts a target on your back as a player where in the event you have a minor injury that you can play through you just broadcast to the NFL to target you there.

Obviously today was a significant injury and I took some of the early analysis from some of the docs here at face value, and I should have waited. But recently he also seemed like he suffered a massive injury and then was playing and very mobile the next game, so I was simply saying “I hope he’s not one of THOSE players…”

He also comes across as a head-case with some of his breathing exercises during drives and bad turnovers that seem to be related to him being rattled on the field (he’s like the anti-Brady when it comes to all of this stuff).

Now as for my earlier comment, I am deeply sorry it impacted several posters so much here.

I apologize and cannot wait for the return of Macachusetts!
 

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I have far less confidence in Mac Jones being the future now than I had coming into the season. That can obviously change quickly but he just makes so many stupid passes and never looks anyone off. I hope they can make a final evaluation of him before the end season with this injury.
 

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I predict some Tightrope talk in this thread shortly, as I mentioned earlier. Mac would be fortunate to beat a 6-8 week return to play timeline.

I just hope the MRI doesn’t find anything else. The fibula fractures in these cases can be quite high, close to the knee.

Hopefully they didn’t just X-ray his ankle…
 

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This is where Zappe comes out of nowhere to lead the team into the playoffs and an improbable Super Bowl upset victory over the Rams, right?
 

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I broke my tibia straight up from the ankle joint and then along the growth plate to the edge. I needed a screw to bring the two pieces back together. A couple years later, I sprained my ankle playing backyard volleyball (came down on someone else’s foot). That hurt way worse. That night I was sleeping on the coach with my foot up. I had to get up to go to the bathroom. Being vertical caused a lot of fluid to drain to my injured ankle. It hurt so bad I started crying.
My first standard (not high) ankle sprain was the worst pain that I ever felt in my life. Hurt so much that I couldn't breathe for a few minutes. By the next morning the ankle was exactly twice the size of its counterpart, and I had blueish toes and all sorts of decoloration on the foot and calf for two weeks. The "rush" of pain that you describe when having to put it back on the ground to walk anywhere--I can still feel it.

Tried to dunk, slammed it off the front of the rim, came down just like Hayward did. Wish I let them cast it.

I agree. The INTs were ungood regardless of what Henry, Parker said. I am fairly confident that Jones will fix some of the issues that led to them.


That said, Mac showed some pretty nifty NFL skills this game. I know that's not enough for some people and they may well be right long term.

However despite the loss and injury, this game suggests he may well be capable of taking a team pretty far. I know I am on an island here so no need for anyone to disabuse me of my views. If he is just a mediocrity like you believe, I will acknowledge it eventually. But I need more data before I get there.
Yeah if he never learns how to anticipate/see robbers and throws 25 ints every year, then the doubters will be right. But he showed that he can throw deep with good placement against a good defense. Oddly, his problems today were processing mostly.
 

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On the one hand Mac is pushing the ball more downfield and being much more aggressive this year. On the other he is making too many mental mistakes and he’s in a league where even bad QBs make at the most ~1.5 turnover worthy kind of plays per game on average. Against Miami he was fine. Vs Pittsburgh he had 2. Today he had 2 or 3 (1st and 3rd interceptions for sure). He’s 3 games into year 2 so it’s impossible to make any sweeping conclusions. He hasn’t played well but he has made some nice plays. Progress isn’t always linear. The highs of his game this year are “the guy” caliber but the frequency of the lows and his mental inconsistencies especially post-snap are just the opposite. Can he learn to eliminate some of the poor decision making while continuing to be aggressive? Will his post-snap vision and processing improve?
 

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Mac Jones' statistical rankings through three games (and who knows there will be any more this season...):

Completion %: #12 (66.0%)
Pass Yards: #11 (786)
Yds/Attempt: #4 (8.1)
Touchdowns: #27 (2)
Interceptions: #30 (5) - I don't really know how to rank him in this category because the stats include non-QBs that have thrown interceptions, as well as backup QBs that have come in and thrown one... let's just acknowledge that of the 32 starting QBs in the NFL, he's thrown the most interceptions with 5, tied with Winston and Stafford. Since it's a tie among the three of them, they'd technically all be ranked #30.
Passer Rating: #31 (76.2)

So the first three numbers are pretty good. He's completing a high percentage of his passes - not elite level, but pretty solid. He's thrown for a good number of yards over three games. In other words, he's moving the ball, and doing it pretty efficiently. And his yards per attempt number is outstanding. So those are all good measurements.

The passing touchdowns is not something I really care that much about. There was one play yesterday where a receiver caught it and went out of bounds at the 2 and then the Pats ran it in. If the receiver stays in bounds and gets into the end zone it's a touchdown pass, which looks better for Mac's stats, but doesn't change the game at all because the Pats scored anyway, just via a running play.

It's the interceptions that are crippling. Basically last (worst) in the league. Now I haven't seen Stafford except for his first game, and I haven't seen Winston at all, so I don't know what kind of interceptions they're throwing. But here's a list of guys with four INTs: Matt Ryan, Derek Carr, Justin Fields, and last year's darling, Joe Burrow.

So the two starting QBs in last year's Super Bowl have 4 and 5 interceptions. Mac has 5. Both those guys are better than Mac Jones is, but it goes to show that even excellent QBs can throw a lot of interceptions over a short span of games. Both of those guys have MUCH better weapons than Mac does, yet they basically have the same turnovers.

And obviously the lack of TD, combined with the high number of INTs, is what's crippling his passer rating.

So moving forward, whenever Mac gets on the field, while I'm not concerned about the number of TD passes he throws as long as NE is getting into the end zone, I *am* very much concerned about his turnovers. One thing I just didn't anticipate was him turning the ball over a lot. Yesterday he absolutely pushed the ball down the field a LOT more than in the previous two games, and of course doing that is riskier. If he does that over the course of a season there are going to be more interceptions almost by default. But he needs to be better. A lot better.
 

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On the one hand Mac is pushing the ball more downfield and being much more aggressive this year. On the other he is making too many mental mistakes and he’s in a league where even bad QBs make at the most ~1.5 turnover worthy kind of plays per game on average. Against Miami he was fine. Vs Pittsburgh he had 2. Today he had 2 or 3 (1st and 3rd interceptions for sure). He’s 3 games into year 2 so it’s impossible to make any sweeping conclusions. He hasn’t played well but he has made some nice plays. Progress isn’t always linear. The highs of his game this year are “the guy” caliber but the frequency of the lows and his mental inconsistencies especially post-snap are just the opposite. Can he learn to eliminate some of the poor decision making while continuing to be aggressive? Will his post-snap vision and processing improve?
First. Thanks for your posts. I always learn something from them.

The two questions at the end of your latest post are interesting. Let's say a qualified "yes" to both. Do you feel that even at his best Mac Jones is the long-term answer in the modern NFL and in a conference with young extraordinarily mobile quarterbacks like, Mahomes, Jackson, Hebert and Allen?

I do realize that the Patriots did win championships twice in the past five years with that type of quarterback but that was Tom Brady with over 15 years of experience surrounded by remarkable skill players on offense. I also do realize dynamic mobile quarterbacks do not grow on trees but they can sometimes be available in the draft or in free agency. Your thoughts would be appreciated.
 

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First. Thanks for your posts. I always learn something from them.

The two questions at the end of your latest post are interesting. Let's say a qualified "yes" to both. Do you feel that even at his best Mac Jones is the long-term answer in the modern NFL and in a conference with young extraordinarily mobile quarterbacks like, Mahomes, Jackson, Hebert and Allen?

I do realize that the Patriots did win championships twice in the past five years with that type of quarterback but that was Tom Brady with over 15 years of experience surrounded by remarkable skill players on offense. I also do realize dynamic mobile quarterbacks do not grow on trees but they can sometimes be available in the draft or in free agency. Your thoughts would be appreciated.
The league will continue to evolve and we’ll likely see those guys win multiple Super Bowls between them. But let’s not forget that there have been 2 Super Bowls in the last 20 years won by a “mobile” QB. Mac’s never going to have the arm strength of Stafford, the size of Big Ben, or the ability to draw pass interference on under thrown balls of Flacco, but could he be as effective? Maybe.
 

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Mac Jones' statistical rankings through three games (and who knows there will be any more this season...):

Completion %: #12 (66.0%)
Pass Yards: #11 (786)
Yds/Attempt: #4 (8.1)
Touchdowns: #27 (2)
Interceptions: #30 (5) - I don't really know how to rank him in this category because the stats include non-QBs that have thrown interceptions, as well as backup QBs that have come in and thrown one... let's just acknowledge that of the 32 starting QBs in the NFL, he's thrown the most interceptions with 5, tied with Winston and Stafford. Since it's a tie among the three of them, they'd technically all be ranked #30.
Passer Rating: #31 (76.2)

So the first three numbers are pretty good. He's completing a high percentage of his passes - not elite level, but pretty solid. He's thrown for a good number of yards over three games. In other words, he's moving the ball, and doing it pretty efficiently. And his yards per attempt number is outstanding. So those are all good measurements.

The passing touchdowns is not something I really care that much about. There was one play yesterday where a receiver caught it and went out of bounds at the 2 and then the Pats ran it in. If the receiver stays in bounds and gets into the end zone it's a touchdown pass, which looks better for Mac's stats, but doesn't change the game at all because the Pats scored anyway, just via a running play.

It's the interceptions that are crippling. Basically last (worst) in the league. Now I haven't seen Stafford except for his first game, and I haven't seen Winston at all, so I don't know what kind of interceptions they're throwing. But here's a list of guys with four INTs: Matt Ryan, Derek Carr, Justin Fields, and last year's darling, Joe Burrow.

So the two starting QBs in last year's Super Bowl have 4 and 5 interceptions. Mac has 5. Both those guys are better than Mac Jones is, but it goes to show that even excellent QBs can throw a lot of interceptions over a short span of games. Both of those guys have MUCH better weapons than Mac does, yet they basically have the same turnovers.

And obviously the lack of TD, combined with the high number of INTs, is what's crippling his passer rating.

So moving forward, whenever Mac gets on the field, while I'm not concerned about the number of TD passes he throws as long as NE is getting into the end zone, I *am* very much concerned about his turnovers. One thing I just didn't anticipate was him turning the ball over a lot. Yesterday he absolutely pushed the ball down the field a LOT more than in the previous two games, and of course doing that is riskier. If he does that over the course of a season there are going to be more interceptions almost by default. But he needs to be better. A lot better.

Does Mac really need to be “a lot better”? This game was a one score game, inches from being a 3-point game, late in the 4th. Admittedly I watched this game in DVR so I knew the outcome already but Mac was far more in control of the offense yesterday for most of the game.

I mean, you aren’t a Pats fan if you weren’t giddy watching that play to Jonnu where he moved right then left when the play wasn’t there. Beyond that tho: the guy was absolutely in control on that drive in a way that he never was really allowed to be a season ago. Even after the terrible red zone INT later in the game, the defense got a stop and he came right out slinging the ball in the fourth. Were it not for Agolhor’s fumble, Mac has them in position to go up 32-31 with only a few minutes left.

Belichick said after the game and again this am that they just had too many negative plays. I get the need to not be too rose-colored glasses about the team and to focus on the mistakes right now but maybe he’s right. This was the first game where Mac pushed the ball down the field effectively for most of this game. Pretty much everybody but Henry was involved. This was a much more dynamic, aggressive and, dare I say, dangerous offense yesterday than in the first two weeks. And Mac was a big reason why.

Does Mac need to be “a lot better” to win games? Or does he just need to cut down on a few mistakes? Belichick seems to think it’s the latter. Hopefully Mac’s ankle isn’t too messed up for us to find out.
 

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First. Thanks for your posts. I always learn something from them.

The two questions at the end of your latest post are interesting. Let's say a qualified "yes" to both. Do you feel that even at his best Mac Jones is the long-term answer in the modern NFL and in a conference with young extraordinarily mobile quarterbacks like, Mahomes, Jackson, Hebert and Allen?

I do realize that the Patriots did win championships twice in the past five years with that type of quarterback but that was Tom Brady with over 15 years of experience surrounded by remarkable skill players on offense. I also do realize dynamic mobile quarterbacks do not grow on trees but they can sometimes be available in the draft or in free agency. Your thoughts would be appreciated.
The bold.....

The AFC was represented in the Super Bowl by Joe Burrow. Not a terrible athlete, but not exactly Lamar Jackson on the ground. His career rushing numbers: 92 rushes, 333 yds, 3.6 y/a. He's not a running QB. Not at all.

The NFC was represented in the Super Bowl by Matthew Stafford. Not a terrible athlete, but not exactly Lamar Jackson either. His career rushing numbers: 381 rushes, 1,245 yds, 3.3 y/a. He is also not a running QB. Not at all.

Also among the teams that finished well in the playoffs last year: San Francisco with Jimmy G at QB. Jimmy is a decent athlete, but also not a running QB. And of course Tom Brady, and we all know who he is.

Other teams that made the playoffs with a QB that isn't a "mobile/running" QB: Pittsburgh (ancient and decrepit Roethlisberger), Las Vegas (Carr, who is a good athlete but not a runner), Dallas (Dak in 2021 had 48 rushes for 146 yds, 3.0 y/a), Tennessee (Tannehill is a good athlete but averaged 15.9 yards rushing per game last year...not exactly a runner), New England (Mac), Green Bay (Rodgers is mobile but doesn't really run, but of course he's a HOFer), and of course KC and Buffalo (two excellent athletes at QB).

Of the 14 playoff teams last year, I'd argue that the following are the mobile/athlete types of QBs:

Allen
Mahomes (he doesn't run a ton but man he's effective when he does so I'll put him in this category)
Tannehill (he's kind of like Mahomes when he runs....very capable but not exactly Lamar)

I'd argue that these guys are the traditional drop back passer types:

Roethlisberger
Prescott
Mac
Brady
Rodgers (though he is still capable on the move, even at his age)
Carr
Burrow
Garoppolo
Stafford

Of course some of those guys can move a little better than Mac can, but Mac showed yesterday that when he needs to run, he can. I just think you can absolutely win with a traditional drop back passer in the NFL.
 

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Does Mac really need to be “a lot better”? This game was a one score game, inches from being a 3-point game, late in the 4th. Admittedly I watched this game in DVR so I knew the outcome already but Mac was far more in control of the offense yesterday for most of the game.

I mean, you aren’t a Pats fan if you weren’t giddy watching that play to Jonnu where he moved right then left when the play wasn’t there. Beyond that tho: the guy was absolutely in control on that drive in a way that he never was really allowed to be a season ago. Even after the terrible red zone INT later in the game, the defense got a stop and he came right out slinging the ball in the fourth. Were it not for Agolhor’s fumble, Mac has them in position to go up 32-31 with only a few minutes left.

Belichick said after the game and again this am that they just had too many negative plays. I get the need to not be too rose-colored glasses about the team and to focus on the mistakes right now but maybe he’s right. This was the first game where Mac pushed the ball down the field effectively for most of this game. Pretty much everybody but Henry was involved. This was a much more dynamic, aggressive and, dare I say, dangerous offense yesterday than in the first two weeks. And Mac was a big reason why.

Does Mac need to be “a lot better” to win games? Or does he just need to cut down on a few mistakes? Belichick seems to think it’s the latter. Hopefully Mac’s ankle isn’t too messed up for us to find out.
He can't have three turnovers and expect to win very often in the NFL. That's what he needs to clean up. His stats show that he's only average at best in taking care of the ball in his short career, and this year he's much worse than average. Small sample size, as - if you noticed - Burrow and Stafford are right there with him, and those guys went to the SB last year. But still.....100% Mac needs to be a lot better.

But if you think I'm down on Mac you're not understanding me correctly. Yesterday I got hammered by people in this forum for having an optimistic (I felt it was even-handed but whatever) view of Mac.
 

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The interceptions are getting worrying, in part because, they and many similar throws that don't get picked due to bad hands, are a product of a lot of bad decision making.
Mac is a Jimmy G type, he's not going to offset mistakes with WOW throws, and he's going to face tight defenses because teams don't respect his arm in terms of pushing it on a line to the boundary. He needs to execute at a high level to be above average, and he's not doing that right now.
 

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First. Thanks for your posts. I always learn something from them.

The two questions at the end of your latest post are interesting. Let's say a qualified "yes" to both. Do you feel that even at his best Mac Jones is the long-term answer in the modern NFL and in a conference with young extraordinarily mobile quarterbacks like, Mahomes, Jackson, Hebert and Allen?

I do realize that the Patriots did win championships twice in the past five years with that type of quarterback but that was Tom Brady with over 15 years of experience surrounded by remarkable skill players on offense. I also do realize dynamic mobile quarterbacks do not grow on trees but they can sometimes be available in the draft or in free agency. Your thoughts would be appreciated.
Why would the mobility of opposing QBs affect Jones at all? He isn't the one defending them, nor are they defending him.
 

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The interceptions are getting worrying, in part because, they and many similar throws that don't get picked due to bad hands, are a product of a lot of bad decision making.
Mac is a Jimmy G type, he's not going to offset mistakes with WOW throws, and he's going to face tight defenses because teams don't respect his arm in terms of pushing it on a line to the boundary. He needs to execute at a high level to be above average, and he's not doing that right now.
He made a bunch of WOW throws yesterday, I thought. I mean, those deep balls were ON POINT. What's not "WOW" about those?

As to the video showing the miscommunication between Mac and Parker on the INT...

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If that's what happened, then I'll say yes, it's on Mac. But also, as I've pointed out... Mac has released the ball, and the defender is interfering with Parker's route, 7-8 yards past the LOS (the Bal 11), as the ball is in the air now. That's DPI, plain and simple. Should have been a very easy call.

But still...if Mac made a bad play there, he made a bad play.
 

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I think it’s pretty clear that Parker ran the wrong route there. The throw is to the back corner of the end zone and the receiver is looking over his right shoulder as the ball is thrown. EDIT: Or if not looking, his body is turned the wrong direction.
 

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Good lord, Mac was horrible yesterday. He had 4 turnover worthy plays and no TD passes. Beyond that his decision making was continually suspect at key junctures. On first down in the red zone in the 4th quarter, a swing pass to a double covered Harris for a 4 yard loss. Horrible. Just killed the drive and really set the stage for the desperation heave interception. The fourth down pass in the first half was another poor decision. There were many others. He had several good to great throws but so what? If a quarterback keeps making poor decisions and turning the ball over he is not winning games. It seems that posters are always looking to blame someone else for Mac’s mistakes, something this board would never do for an opposing quarterback. Though Mac’s regression is probably correlated to the decision to use both Patricia and Judge as offensive masterminds, Mac bears responsibility and accountability as a pro.
 

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https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/passing_advanced.htm

Mac currently ranks #4 in the NFL in "intended air yards" and #3 in "intended air yards per attempt" - that is, essentially how "deep" a ball they're throwing. He ranks fourth in the NFL in "completed air yards" and #3 in "completed air yards per pass attempt".

In other words, suddenly Mac Jones isn't just a dink and dunker. He's pushing the ball downfield to almost the highest degree in the game so far.

He's also 26th in "accuracy" (though I don't know how they measure that). Two spots below (i.e., worse than) him? Josh Allen. LOL.

It makes sense - the further you typically throw downfield, the more likely it is to be an interception. The three interceptions were:

- A pass thrown 15 yards past the LOS over the middle, intended for Parker.
- A pass thrown 16 yards past the LOS in the left corner, intended for Parker.
- A pass thrown 20 yards past the LOS on the right side, intended for Bourne.

Yes he had the one that could/should have been an INT, but, well, it wasn't. So on the three picks, they were all downfield throws, which makes sense. The more you throw deep stuff, the more likely it is for inaccuracy.
 

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I think it’s pretty clear that Parker ran the wrong route there. The throw is to the back corner of the end zone and the receiver is looking over his right shoulder as the ball is thrown. EDIT: Or if not looking, his body is turned the wrong direction.
But honestly, if Mac checked into a certain play and every other receiver got the check, and Parker gave a clear "WTF?" signal (which apparently he did), then in NO way should Mac have thrown it to him. You just don't throw it to a guy who has no idea what route he's supposed to run.
 

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Still optimistic on Mac. Yesterday he did a few negative things he shouldn’t have - things which are fixable, and involve his teammates and coaches doing better too. I don’t consider that regressing - in many cases his shorter leash didn’t allow him to make those kinds of mistakes last year. These are growing pains. He also did a few positive things (throws, pocket movement) that show growth. Those are building blocks. It may take him 3-4 years to become what the Pats need him to be consistently. Personally I’m fine with that.
 

Mooch

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But honestly, if Mac checked into a certain play and every other receiver got the check, and Parker gave a clear "WTF?" signal (which apparently he did), then in NO way should Mac have thrown it to him. You just don't throw it to a guy who has no idea what route he's supposed to run.
He's not going to see that. He's communicating to Rhamondre the audible call there to clear out the other DB into the flat. The play was for a fade in the corner for a jump ball to Parker, who totally blew the route.
 

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Reflections on other hot takes alert…

Mac is apparently insanely unlikable. His injury has been memed all over and the Ravens players were apparently shit talking him and laughing at him after the game because they say he talks so much trash.

The feeling I got last season was that Mac was such a leader, and everyone was impressed (it’s why Cam was let go so fast) with him. He was at the pro bowl and dancing and everyone was loving him.

It feels like the opposite has happened this year, I don’t really see anything said positive about him right now and his injury is being mocked by Ravens fans (who I admit are not a classy bunch).

But it’s weird how different the perception of MAC JONES is this year. Not sure if it’s just a small early season sampling mixed with playing 3 teams in a row that hate the Patriots or what.
 

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He's not going to see that. He's communicating to Rhamondre the audible call there to clear out the other DB into the flat. The play was for a fade in the corner for a jump ball to Parker, who totally blew the route.
Ok I didn't realize he's just communicating to Rhamondre, because the other receivers seemed to indicate they got the audible. All except Parker.

I have no problem in principle with a 50/50 fade to Parker in that situation. He's good at that play. But if Parker didn't get the audible and signaled that he didn't get it, he didn't really "blow it"...there was just miscommunication. But in either case, Humphrey totally interfered past 5 yards. No call. Oh well, so it goes. But Parker was 100% impeded from running that route even if he was trying to do it correctly.