The future at 3rd

[glennhoffmania]

Derek Jeter tried faking living in Florida to avoid taxes didn't he? It must have been significant enough to try it.

A couple of things. First, NYC and FL are extremes. One is possibly the highest tax jurisdiction and the other is the lowest. And either way he would've paid a chunk of tax in NY, MA, etc. Second, he did actually own a house in FL and the only issue was where he spent at least 183 days per year. That's very different from signing with a team based on the state tax rates.

I think the gross number is far more important, as was mentioned earlier. It's not like a tax burden that's two or three percent higher is going to affect Pablo's standard of living.

 

[snowmanny]

Five year and give him an opt-out after 3?

I doubt Pablo would fall for that.

 

[MakMan44]

Reds always crying poverty. Maybe age factors into it for them. If available the sox have the prospects you would think to get it done..

Right but their window is almost closed. Frazier is still going to be cheap in 2015, it makes very little sense for them to move him now.

 

[MakMan44]

I doubt Pablo would fall for that.

Maybe you offer a pie if he opts out?

 

[OCD SS]

The Sox's aggressive pursuit of Sandoval when there are other 3B options (Headly, Hanley) makes me think that a core part of their off-season requires them to settle 3B before sorting out ancillary moves. That would probably point to a deal with Checchini involved for a second starter (Lester being the first option to be signed as a FA)

 

[snowmanny]

Maybe you offer a pie if he opts out?

All right.  That he might fall for.

 

[Hee Sox Choi]

If all the offers are as close as adverstised and he "really wanted to go back to SF above all else" he'd already have signed with SF. 

Upthread, I left a comment from someone who works for the team the player we're going for is on.  I left the below comment from his e out (but I think mloyko is right):
 
The longer it goes the less confident I am.  

 

[67WasBest]

The Sox's aggressive pursuit of Sandoval when there are other 3B options (Headly, Hanley) makes me think that a core part of their off-season requires them to settle 3B before sorting out ancillary moves. That would probably point to a deal with Checchini involved for a second starter (Lester being the first option to be signed as a FA)

Believe the same thing.  Two options are in packages with the Padres for Ross, or the Nats, for Zimmerman.  Seattle for Iwakuma seems an odd fit, because of Seager, as do the Reds because of Frazier.

 

[Mike F]

All right.  That he might fall for.

Offer a box of $100,000.00 candy bars.
$2.4 M untaxed
Gotta solve the problem on so many levels.

 

[OCD SS]

Believe the same thing.  Two options are in packages with the Padres for Ross, or the Nats, for Zimmerman.  Seattle for Iwakuma seems an odd fit, because of Seager, as do the Reds because of Frazier.

The Nats are going to move Rendon to 3B, so he's not as much a fit either, but if the Sox can't land Panda maybe they need to go after a different SP, one from another team that doesn't value Checchini as a main piece.

 

[BeantownIdaho]

It wouldn't surprise me to see Checchini playing some first base during spring training... Napoli  won't be here forever

 

[rodderick]

It wouldn't surprise me to see Checchini playing some first base during spring training... Napoli  won't be here forever

 
Can't wait for John Olerud to replace Bill Mueller as the lazy, pie-in-the-sky scenario, comparison.

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

It wouldn't surprise me to see Checchini playing some first base during spring training... Napoli  won't be here forever

Maybe then we can spell his name right.  It's Cecchini.  First name, Garin.

 

[Doctor G]

It wouldn't surprise me to see Checchini playing some first base during spring training... Napoli  won't be here forever

Cecchini is listed in Sox Prospects as LF for Pawsox probable lineup with WMB at 3rd.

 

[BeantownIdaho]

Maybe then we can spell his name right.  It's Cecchini.  First name, Garin.

That's what I get for copying the spelling of the several posters before me.

 

[BeantownIdaho]

Cecchini is listed in Sox Prospects as LF for Pawsox probable lineup with WMB at 3rd.

That would make sense since we have a need for outfielders.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Scott Lauber to me:

@ScottLauber: Gut says Sox but we'll see. He has history in SF, and sounds like SD made strong bid RT @John_Carpenter1 gut feeling on where Panda chooses?

 

[Hee Sox Choi]

Escape from New York was your best.

 

[JohntheBaptist]

Agreed, though it's close with They Live.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Agreed, though it's close with They Live.

I came here to kick ass and chew bubblegum

 

[OCD SS]

Well, there was that post that quoted someone saying this offseason was going to be a wild ride if true signing Panda and Lester are just the roller coaster cranking up to the top of the first drop.

If this is he case I wonder just how long the Sox can afford to wait before these moves are lost to other team's machinations (like the Braves moving Heywaed quickly)? If Panda is the guy at 3B, is there value in adding a bit of extra $ on an extra year to keep the entire plan intact?

 

[joe dokes]

On taxes....are those calculations just applying the "top rate" to the entire salary, or does it account for marginal rates as income increases?
 
Also taxes. Seems to me that almost all 9-10 figure athletes treat taxes like Ebola. (Not really a criticism, more of an observation.  I might do the same.)

 

[jimbobim]

Carfardo's Sunday Scoop 
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/11/23/giants-step-pablo-sandoval-negotiations/oJFH0e9RQzX17S2OzgCGLL/story.html
 
 
The San Francisco Giants stepped up Saturday with discussions that put them back at least level with the Red Sox, according to a major league source.



San Diego’s offer wasn’t disclosed, but major league sources indicated the Padres were in the same range as the Red Sox and Giants. Sandoval has recevied offers from all three teams, according to Fox Sports. The Padres made the highest offer but Sandoval is leaning toward the Red Sox, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.
A sixth year would likely separate the teams.
The Padres put a full-court press on Sandoval in Miami, with their ownership attending the meeting.
Sandoval met with Sox GM Ben Cherington last Monday and Tuesday, and left Boston with an offer Wednesday, according to a Red Sox source.
The Red Sox thought the Sandoval sweepstakes might conclude positively for them Saturday, but the Giants stepped up in an attempt to keep from losing their popular third baseman.
GM Brian Sabean, when asked if the Giants were still in the hunt, said, “Of course!” He also indicated that Sandoval had yet to make a decision.

The Red Sox project that Sandoval would have better numbers playing 81 games at Fenway Park as opposed to AT&T Park in San Francisco.

 

[mloyko54]

Sandoval's agent Gus Vazquez was just on ESPN Desportes Radio talking about his client and where things stand. Unfortunately I don't speak Spanish. 

 

[mloyko54]

Giants Asst. GM Bobby Evans is once again on the Radio Saying they think they are in the mix. 
 
MLB Network Radio @MLBNetworkRadio

Evans on Sandoval: "We sense that these offers are in the same ballpark [5-yr, 90-100 mil] which we think is an advantage" #Giants

MLB Network Radio @MLBNetworkRadio

If Sandoval signs in BOS, Evans "It may not be a focus on 3rd base, it could be a focus on pitching, it could be a focus on LF" #Giants
 
 
This just my feeling, if it was such an advantage and Sandoval wanted to go back to SF so badly wouldn't he have signed back there by now. The Giants are playing this through the media to show their fans they tried hard, but the feeling I've gotten the last week is Sandoval is leaving SF.

 

[ivanvamp]

My take on Sandoval if the Sox sign him.

If he plays well we will all be able to point to those clear signs that indicated that he would probably play well.

If he doesn't play well, we will all be able to point to those clear signs that indicated that he probably would not play well.

In other words, there are good reasons to want him (at the price that he'll command), and there are good reasons to not want him.

 

[jimbobim]

My take on Sandoval if the Sox sign him.

If he plays well we will all be able to point to those clear signs that indicated that he would probably play well.

If he doesn't play well, we will all be able to point to those clear signs that indicated that he probably would not play well.

In other words, there are good reasons to want him (at the price that he'll command), and there are good reasons to not want him.

 
O and the Boston writers will make them both constantly and vociferously no doubt. 

 

[SoxFanForsyth]

 
For whatever it's worth, I spoke with an acquaintance in the last few days that works for NESN and he told me scuttlebutt within the building is that Ben has "one or two big moves up his sleeve" (read: trades), but he needs resolution on Sandoval and Lester before he can move forward. He wouldn't divulge anything specific or perhaps didn't know, but said that BC is looking to cash in some assets once he knows he has those two locked down. Again, take it FWIW, but the guy has been spot on with these kind of things when we've spoken in the past. 

This is very interesting. My guess is that if the Sox sign Pablo, Cecchini becomes expendable. Same thing with Lester and Owens (though Owens isn't necessarily blocked, I would presume that the Sox find him more expendable if they have Lester at the top). I agree w the above poster. If the offseason revolves around Sandoval, give him the 6th year and lower the AAV.

Flip Owens, Cecchini, and Victorino (salary dump) for Hamels? Phillies get two very good prospects and Sox get Hamels, free up the OF logjam and get 13mm off the books, making Hamels more affordable. Sox have tons of freed up payroll in 2016, so if you take Vic (13mm) off the books for 2015, it makes Hamels only a 9mm hit this year and when he comes in next year, you have the room for him so it's a non issue.

That would make sense to me, of course I'm just spitballing though.

 

[OptimusPapi]

You have to take Vic out and replace him with someone eelse.If the Phillies trade Hamels it seems to signify they are rebuilding, therefore even if Vic is healthy and productive they would have no use for a one year player. The bigger issue though is Vic is a question mark in terms of health and the Phils can do better.

 

[mloyko54]

This is very interesting. My guess is that if the Sox sign Pablo, Cecchini becomes expendable. Same thing with Lester and Owens (though Owens isn't necessarily blocked, I would presume that the Sox find him more expendable if they have Lester at the top). I agree w the above poster. If the offseason revolves around Sandoval, give him the 6th year and lower the AAV.

Flip Owens, Cecchini, and Victorino (salary dump) for Hamels? Phillies get two very good prospects and Sox get Hamels, free up the OF logjam and get 13mm off the books, making Hamels more affordable. Sox have tons of freed up payroll in 2016, so if you take Vic (13mm) off the books for 2015, it makes Hamels only a 9mm hit this year and when he comes in next year, you have the room for him so it's a non issue.

That would make sense to me, of course I'm just spitballing though.

 
I've had that same feeling for awhile. I feel like they are working on somethings that no one sees coming. Sandoval's situation needs to be rectified so he can focus on the SP and trade market. I've been shocked at how hush hush things have been out of Fenway so far. They haven't leaked a word which tells me they are up to something. 

 

[DennyDoyle'sBoil]

My take on Sandoval if the Sox sign him.
If he plays well we will all be able to point to those clear signs that indicated that he would probably play well.
If he doesn't play well, we will all be able to point to those clear signs that indicated that he probably would not play well.
In other words, there are good reasons to want him (at the price that he'll command), and there are good reasons to not want him.

Yeah, the rumor/information/misinformation that the Giants are pushing this weekend is not bothering me. Unlike Lester, I've hit the point of equipoise with Pablo. If 5/95 is true, I'm pretty much at the point where I won't really mind either way whether we get him or don't. The new rumor that getting Pablo would clear the decks for other moves gives me some pause and makes a modest overpay at a position of need more palatable, but if 5/95 really is the number, I'm not sweating this one out at all. Whatever happens happens.

 

[Corsi]

Scott Lauber ‏@ScottLauber  28s28 seconds ago
Giants asst. GM Bobby Evans RT @Jim_Duquette: Evans just told us " we have not made a final offer" on Sandoval

 

[snowmanny]

You have to take Vic out and replace him with someone eelse.If the Phillies trade Hamels it seems to signify they are rebuilding, therefore even if Vic is healthy and productive they would have no use for a one year player. The bigger issue though is Vic is a question mark in terms of health and the Phils can do better.

?Bradley

 

[SoxFanForsyth]

Uh so Jim Bowden just said that the Sox have signed HanRam.

https://twitter.com/mlb_nl_al/status/536565898984038401

 

[MakMan44]

Jake Wesley is Jim Bowden?

EDIT: Wait, you're making a joke about that fake Twitter thing. Haha, right over my head.

 

[PrometheusWakefield]

So is that guy actually somebody who might know something?

Would be amazing if the who Panda thing was a smokescreen.

 

[ThatsMyPeskyPole]

I did hear Bowden quoting that tweet by wesley. 

 

[SoxFanForsyth]

Jake Wesley is Jim Bowden?

EDIT: Wait, you're making a joke about that fake Twitter thing. Haha, right over my head.

Actually it would have been a funny joke, but I wasnt kidding!

Same guy who broke the Stanton news is breaking this. He's tweeting all the national writers. I think there is some traction to this.

Last year, I was driving in Boston and saw Lucchino on the side of the road. Rolled down my window and asked him if he needed a ride. To my surprise he said yes bc it's impossible to get a cab in Beacon Hill, and as I was driving him to Fenway he broke the news of McCann to the Yankees. I tried to tell anyone and everyone but everyone thought I was a bozo, and rightfully so, I would make the same assumption except that I was right.

I think this guy actually may be on to something.

 

[Follow33]

Well. That is not the tweet I was expecting this morning.

 

[nazz45]

So is that guy actually somebody who might know something?

Would be amazing if the who Panda thing was a smokescreen.

The other "source" on it is the guy who supposedly scooped the Stanton extension. Interestingly, Ramirez and Stanton are repped by the same agency (Wasserman Group).
 
Also somewhat interesting that he has a tweet regarding Nelson Cruz possibly going to Seattle - another Wasserman Group (Adam Katz) client.
 
edit-beat

 

[SoxFanForsyth]

https://twitter.com/mlb_nl_al/status/536570295633842176

 

[MakMan44]

Hmm. Well I'll believe it when I see it. As Wake said, it'd be a hell of a smoke screen.

 

[Kramerica Industries]

I have my doubts but he was talking about the Cardinals being frontrunners for Heyward two days before he was traded. Jon Heyman does follow him as well.

 

[SoxFanForsyth]

HanRam would be a really nice pickup and would provide strong depth if Bogaerts got hurt. Hanley slide to SS, Cecchini to 3B. That's one concern I have if the Sox sign Sandoval. Backup SS is Holt, which isn't inspiring.

Panda provides depth at 1B, but we also have Allen Craig and Nava, so we don't necessarily need that depth

 

[SoxFanInPdx]

Uh so Jim Bowden just said that the Sox have signed HanRam.

https://twitter.com/mlb_nl_al/status/536565898984038401

 
This belong in the rumors thread?

 

[SoxFanForsyth]

 
This belong in the rumors thread?

Well he would be playing 3B. Since the Sox haven't signed Panda or Headley, wouldn't this whole thread belong in the rumors thread? And if the Sox sign Hanley, it has a direct impact on the Panda negotiations.

I'm new here so if I am wrong let me know. I just assumed it would fit better here.

 

[ThatsMyPeskyPole]

Jake Wesley MLB @mlb_nl_al · 23m23 minutes ago


As I said, terms of length and money are final. Working on minor stuff. It's happening. Hanley is a Red Sox

 

[Rasputin]

There's some devil in the details, but I don't think I really like the idea of signing Hanley Ramirez. Can he play left? First?

 

[67WasBest]

 

Jake Wesley MLB @mlb_nl_al · 23m23 minutes ago


As I said, terms of length and money are final. Working on minor stuff. It's happening. Hanley is a Red Sox

 

Is this real?

 

[JCizzle]

Much prefer this to Panda unless it's a crazy big deal. Really hope these guys aren't full of shit.