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6 years/57 million with 26 million guaranteed.
6 years/57 million with 26 million guaranteed.
Talib to Denver
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Makes their team a ton better while significantly weakening the Patriots if they can't react at CB, but that seems like a ton of money. What does Denver's roster and cap space even look like at this point?
Definitely an overpay.
How much cap room does Denver have? They've already spent $15-16 million on Talib and Ward (based on AAV) and are considered the front runners for Ware.
How much cap room does Denver have? They've already spent $15-16 million on Talib and Ward (based on AAV) and are considered the front runners for Ware.
Yeah, that is crazy. No other corner got more than $19 million guaranteed. They are totally in go for it now mode.
Elway knows Manning has 2-3 years left and is going for it. If they get Ware too?
Frustrating to see as a Pats fan but hard not to respect what Elway has done.
Ward and Talib is such an upgrade for them in the D backfield.
Frustrating to see as a Pats fan but hard not to respect what Elway has done.
Ward and Talib is such an upgrade for them in the D backfield.
Sox and Rocks said:
Pretty close to zero right now, although the 2014 cap hits for Ward and Talib are almost certainly much less than their AAV and I think they gained some cap flexibility when Chris Kuper retired.
I wonder whether these moves, plus the signing of backup slot receiver Andre Caldwell, mean a Welker cut. That's their best option for freeing up the space necessary to sign other guys and draft picks.
Jeff Van GULLY said:
I would be shocked as hell if Manning is still playing at a high level in 3 years.
1-2 years is more realistic, with 1 being the most likely.
Jeff Van GULLY said:
Ware is, in all probability, cooked. If they're going all in - Allen is probably the smart bet, but who knows. It's hard to say how much of an upgrade this move is. Talib at that cost is one hell of a gamble.
I enjoyed his time here when he was healthy but at that cost Denver can have him.
What are our options now at corner besides Revis? With Verner to the Bucs and now this our options are drying up..
Yeah, a Welker cut has to be coming. Don't see how they can justify his $8 million cap hit with little to no money left and other holes to fill, even if only depth.Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
They have several good players who will be free agents next year, namely Julius Thomas, Damarius Thomas, Chris Harris, and Orlando Franklin.
Loyoko nailed it again!
Mike Loyko @NEPD_Loyko 6h
I am hearing the market for Aqib Talib isn't what his camp expected it to be.
Hopefully the weed slows Talib down enough
Mike Loyko @NEPD_Loyko 6h
I am hearing the market for Aqib Talib isn't what his camp expected it to be.
Hopefully the weed slows Talib down enough
Aaargh.
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Brandon Carr got $51M/7 with $25M guaranteed. If the Cowboys cut him after year 3 (2014) they will have paid him about $11M per year for three years. That's gotta be similar to this contract - plan is to cut him after 3-4 years after paying him $10-$12 per year.
I hope the rising cap doesn't come back to bite the Pats in the ass by them staying out of the market this year.
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Brandon Carr got $51M/7 with $25M guaranteed. If the Cowboys cut him after year 3 (2014) they will have paid him about $11M per year for three years. That's gotta be similar to this contract - plan is to cut him after 3-4 years after paying him $10-$12 per year.
I hope the rising cap doesn't come back to bite the Pats in the ass by them staying out of the market this year.
In all fairness to Denver, they've never let anything trivial such as a stupid Salary Cap stand in their way before.
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
If they are backloading deals like I would imagine they can still have a ton of cap space
Extremelty short window they are dealing with it. Fuck it. Why wouldn't you put everything you have into next year in their situation?quint said:
That's a pretty crazy deal for Talib, good for him. Makes he and his agent turning down the 5 years/$25million from the Pats last year and taking the 1 year "prove it" deal very smart in retrospect.
I'm totally comfortable with the Pats not signing Talib to that deal. It hurts them on the field right now, but I'd rather give the to Revis or even spend it on Ware/Allen and draft a CB to go along with Dennard/Ryan.
There's still a lot of flexibility. Revis pipedream remains alive. . . . .
I'm totally comfortable with the Pats not signing Talib to that deal. It hurts them on the field right now, but I'd rather give the to Revis or even spend it on Ware/Allen and draft a CB to go along with Dennard/Ryan.
There's still a lot of flexibility. Revis pipedream remains alive. . . . .
That woooshing sound you just heard? That was the joke flying right over your head.SouthernBoSox said:
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If true, so much for "their salary cap situation sucks." Either that, or they're channeling their team's salary cap management ca. 1998.
Talib just turned 28 last months, 6 years isn't that much. If it's backloaded, they're just bullish on NFL revenues and therefore the cap number increasing over time. It's an overpay, but not a completely ridiculous one.
I'd still rather give a 3rd and a ~50% premium AAV for Revis.
I'd still rather give a 3rd and a ~50% premium AAV for Revis.
If the Pats had signed Talib for anything close to that kind of money, I would have been worried as hell about his inability to stay on the field and the risk that the had just invested massively in a player who was unable to finish the last two AFC Championship games.
Of course, how we view this will in the end will depend on how Bill now addresses CB. So much for the dream team tandem of Talib and Revis, not that it was ever realistic. But Revis will go a long way to making this just an annoyance that Talib followed Welker to Denver.
Of course, how we view this will in the end will depend on how Bill now addresses CB. So much for the dream team tandem of Talib and Revis, not that it was ever realistic. But Revis will go a long way to making this just an annoyance that Talib followed Welker to Denver.
See Bill's post-AFC Championship Game comments. I don't think Welker is walking in that door.crystalline said:
28 and he'll probably need hip replacement surgery by 30. Obviously Revis would be nice but I'll take DRC at 1/2 to 2/3 the price at this point, perhaps even less. Also what is DEN doing on the OL? That is where they were abused in the SB and while they are getting a stud albeit off injured stud in Clady back haven't they lost a lot of depth there?Dan to Theo to Ben said:
Plus Talib was just not on the field when it mattered most, the past 2 years. I'm still not recovered from the AFC championship and, as good as he was all year and no matter how much you want to blame Welker for the hit, Talib was in the end just not a part of that game. Can't imagine signing him to that kind of money. Broncos will regret it I think.
I was pushing hard for the Pats to get Talib if they could for $8-9 a year and $18 guaranteed, I would have never wanted to see the Pats give him $26mm guaranteed. Nevermind sending him to the pot capital of the US with Von Miller and giving him that money.
I don't think this will cripple them but I can't see how he ever lives up to that contract unless he all of a sudden can stop getting hurt. DRC was damn good last year so I don't see this as a huge upgrade (or an upgrade at all?). Now, if the Pats don't sign anyone it's a huge loss for the Pats.
Of topic note, but Broncos messages boards are awesome right now. They're already hoisting their Super Bowl banner. When was the last time a team that "won the offseason" won anything?
I don't think this will cripple them but I can't see how he ever lives up to that contract unless he all of a sudden can stop getting hurt. DRC was damn good last year so I don't see this as a huge upgrade (or an upgrade at all?). Now, if the Pats don't sign anyone it's a huge loss for the Pats.
Of topic note, but Broncos messages boards are awesome right now. They're already hoisting their Super Bowl banner. When was the last time a team that "won the offseason" won anything?