H78 said:
I get 'wonders' but I never saw any dog in him. BB saw him constantly and there would have been some payback if he felt similarly. Instead, they engaged him in what seems serious negotiations about re-upping.
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I get 'wonders' but I never saw any dog in him. BB saw him constantly and there would have been some payback if he felt similarly. Instead, they engaged him in what seems serious negotiations about re-upping.
I guess that "brace yourself" tweet from Monday night was related to how big of guaranteed deals Talib and Ware were getting from Denver. Ho lee shit.
H78 said:
I don't think there's any possible reason to question his professionalism. He was one game away from reaching the Super Bowl; to even think that he'd take the rest of the game off to protect himself is really quite the stretch.
Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
Plus the guy's issues are that he's an off the field risk and injury prone. Going out with an injury in the biggest game of his career in order to protect himself makes zero sense.
NortheasternPJ said:
It makes zero sense outside of $26 million guaranteed.
I mean, I agree and think that my heart says he wouldn't do that either. But at the end of the day when reports came out that he was only banged up with no structural damage, yet sat out of the biggest game of his career - at the end of a "prove it" contract year - I can't help but disagree with SJH that it's not at all a stretch to contemplate whether he valued tens of millions of dollars over a shot at a Super Bowl ring.
Remember, for all of the reasons stated throughout this thread he's one false move from being out of the league for a while. He knows that just like we all do. So if he can get $26 million guaranteed, wouldn't he do whatever it takes to make sure he makes it to that payday?
Again, my heart disagrees with what I'm simply thinking out loud about here, but I think it's something worth considering. If, IF, he did sit out to protect himself for FA, I can't really even say I blame him for it. $26 million is generational money.
H78 said:
You're crazy. Getting hurt in two consecutive AFCCG would only decrease the amount he'd get in his next contract. Plus what athlete wouldn't want the opportunity to perform well in the SB, which would only add money to his pockets?
Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
How could you possibly say I'm crazy when "getting hurt in two consecutive AFCCG" is exactly what happened and he just signed a deal last night for $26 million guaranteed? How could you say that's crazy when it's actually what just happened in the real world?
H78 said:
So you're saying that if he came back in and didn't play well he would have got less?
H78 said:
You missed my point. He would have/could have gotten more had he stayed healthy.
Accusing the guy of taking himself out of a major playoff game in order to cash in on FA is a pretty crappy thing to do, honestly. He's a professional, there's never been the slightest indication he played to do anything but win.
NortheasternPJ said:
No, maybe he was worried if he came back in he could cause further damage, which could cost him $$$? If I were in his shoes I'd be thinking about that.
Again, I hope no one turns this into me saying "this is what Talib did." I'm just saying it's not a stretch at all to think it COULD have been his mindset.
Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
Yeah, I totally see and get your point into why - ethically - he may not want to do anything that would cost him money. But as we all know, in business there are no ethics, so maybe he was protecting his payday?
Who knows. I could be wrong. I probably am wrong. I don't really care if I'm right or wrong, honestly. It's all just a thought.
The guy played hard here, played well, got his money. He deserves it. You thank him and move on. We don't have to go all Dr Charles here.
Talib is saying that he never had a hip injury while with the Pats. Said it was a quad injury but "the Pats have their own way of reporting things"
Can't link on phone, but Lindsay Jones had it on Twitter.
Can't link on phone, but Lindsay Jones had it on Twitter.
Who cares?DrewDawg said:
I hope BB did report it was a hip for negotiation purposes. Good business move.
E5 Yaz said:
It may have been legal, but not on purpose is just being diplomatic.
H78 said:
This is kinda crap without more knowledge. Not long ago, I had what would be called a non-structural injury and I almost couldn't walk. (Some posters know some of the details, and I would kindly ask them to preemptively go fuck themselves.) I went to a specialist and surgery was recommended. And then it went away a few days later--looks like in retrospect it was a bone bruise, but one so bad that if I put even more than a tiny modicum of weight on it, all the rest of my muscles would instinctively hurl my body in another direction even if it meant me falling down to avoid that feeling, so it wasn't just me wussing out (Seriously guys, you can go fuck yourselves.) in that I was taking on other injuries to avoid that one.
I'm not a fan of anecdotal/personal example in arguments, but in this case, I think it's worth noting that it's entirely possible to have a non-structural injury that prevents a person from playing.
I'm not as good with the fancy copy/paste stuff as you kids, but LeGarrette Blount and Richard Sherman are having a little spitting match on Twitter right now.
LGBT: Aqib > Sherman
Sherman disagrees in mouthy terms.
@LG_Blount
@RSherman_25
LGBT: Aqib > Sherman
Sherman disagrees in mouthy terms.
@LG_Blount
@RSherman_25
So Talib's new deal, like Revis', only has the first year fully guaranteed and is only a total of $11.5M guaranteed.
Dead money starts at $4M in 2015 and drops by $1M each year after.
http://overthecap.com/cap.php?Name=Aqib%20Talib&Position=CB&Team=Broncos
These types of deals seem like pretty smart structures. You can keep paying him if he contributes and get out early without a devastating dead money hit if not.
Edit: BTW, what's with all the shitty initial reporting on the deals this year? I don't think any of them were accurately reported on their first day.
His 2014 Cap # is just shy of $8M, then it goes $7M, $10M, $10M, $12M, $8M.
Dead money starts at $4M in 2015 and drops by $1M each year after.
http://overthecap.com/cap.php?Name=Aqib%20Talib&Position=CB&Team=Broncos
These types of deals seem like pretty smart structures. You can keep paying him if he contributes and get out early without a devastating dead money hit if not.
Edit: BTW, what's with all the shitty initial reporting on the deals this year? I don't think any of them were accurately reported on their first day.
Talib took nice shots at Sherman at his press conference: "I don't cover just one side, like others I won't name..."
Herm Edwards repeatedly emphasizes this is indeed a huge deal--you can put Talib and Revis anywhere--not Sherman.
Herm Edwards repeatedly emphasizes this is indeed a huge deal--you can put Talib and Revis anywhere--not Sherman.
86spike said:
Most leaks are presumably agents and/or player representatives. It is in the best interests of agents to leak 'Talib got 6 years/$57M' as opposed to 'Talib gets 2 years, $11.5M guaranteed, likely to be cut after that'.
Schefter and those not as good as Schefter want to get confirmation of the story, not the details. And they need to be first. So when Schefter hears '1 year & $12M for Revis' from two sources, he publishes 'Revis to the Patriots'. The source(s) are giving him shit info on the money, for their own aggrandizement.
ETA: And this is no way meant to disparage the agents - especially those among us. It is the business and the contract could be worth $57M.
Second year is effectively guaranteed unless Talib really fucks up, since it makes so little sense to cut him at that point. Still, a very good deal for Denver overall.
The way NFL contract structures have trended under the new CBA really underlines how poorly the Pats negotiated the deals for Mankins, Wilfork, and Mayo.
The way NFL contract structures have trended under the new CBA really underlines how poorly the Pats negotiated the deals for Mankins, Wilfork, and Mayo.
