Super Bowl LVII - Chiefs vs Eagles in Glendale

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Amazing really. For all the "you've gotta have an elite #1 WR in today's game", the Chiefs let one of the very best elite #1 WRs in the world go (Tyreek) and promptly won the Super Bowl with a lot less talent at WR than they've had in years.

And no, Kelce isn't a #1 WR. He's an all-world tight end, which obviously counts for a lot (hello Gronk), but he's still a TE, not a WR. He routinely is matched up against linebackers and safeties; corners don't cover him. Big difference.
The distinction between TE and WR is not a useful one here. Kelce is one of the best receivers in the league, period; you can slap whatever label you want on him otherwise to make a more narrow point about a position group, but with his usage and production he is a top 5-10 receiver.

And I’m not sure I agree they have less skill talent. KC had pretty pedestrian skill players behind Kelce and Hill for a couple of years running, and now they have more quality players up and down their skill groups. One of the reasons they traded him was to give themselves the cap flexibility to not have guys like Demarcus Robinson and Byron Pringle as top 4-5 options on offense.

CEH getting hurt was a blessing in disguise because he’s been routinely their least explosive, high usage players, and being forced to funnel more touches to McKinnon and Pacheco was a boon.
 

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In regards to comments about Mahomes faking his injury or being overly dramatic...I mean, are you just jealous because an athlete that doesn't play on the team we root for showed some big time toughness? Are you becoming the exact sort of person that were claiming that itw as ketchup on the sock? Come on now...who cares? The guy pulled through with some great runs when it mattered the most. Who cares if he was severely injured, somewhat injured, not injured at all...he deserves whatever credit he gets.

Also, I don't get what anyone is saying...I thought this was a GREAT game, and I hate both the teams. Sure, that last penalty call was a little ticky tack, but it's pretty doubtful that cost the Eagles the game. Maybe they shouldn't have blown a 10pt halftime lead.
Agree with all of this. Mahomes was just great, and the conspiracy and faker stuff is lame but reflects where we're at as a society. I will add, though, that Jalen Hurts was simply great (aside from one play). He was absolutely threading balls 20 yards downfield, and he ran for 3 TDs and a bunch of 1st downs, too. The fumble was game changing, but doesn't change that he is really impressive.
 

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The field is such a huge story. It's a massive offensive advantage and the Chiefs exploited it the entire second half. Great coaching adjustment by Reid because all those plays with quick cuts were essentially unguardable. Also, on a good field, Bradbury might have just been able to cut with his guy and not grab (briefly) the jersey.
Just want to say that it's too bad an article came out about George Toma's involvement in Super Bowl turfs for years, including this one, which was a travesty.
 

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I was impressed by Hurts as well. The pass that was dropped by Watkins was perfectly thrown, the TD to Brown was well placed, and a few to Goedert were really nice too. He was ~70% on completions, plus ran for 3 TDs. Pretty sweet game by him, minus the brutal fumble.

Mahomes was also his usual great self. I will say, and not trying to take anything away from him because he likely would have found another way, but I haven't seen receivers that wide open for TDs that he got. I mean, no defenders within 10 yards on the goal line just should never happen.

It was a pretty fun game overall. I didn't really care who won, so I was mostly rooting for a good/close game which we got. I probably started out rooting for Philly, but then kind of switched when they had a 10 point lead since what I was really rooting for was a close game. By the end I was back rooting for the Eagles. Kind of a fun ride all in all.
 

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Records are meant to be broken. If the NFL continues in some form or fashion, eventually someone will come along who is transcendent in the way that Brady was. Pining for any athlete to hold his claim on a GOAT title is not a fruitful endeavor. It is destined to fail. Unless the league folds, it's going to happen. Eventually.

It could be Mahomes. It might not. But it will happen. Because it happens. Shit changes. Will there be debates about it? Yes. Is it fun to talk about whether rings is the right criteria? I guess, for some. But nothing lasts forever.

About the best you can hope for is that it takes a while so that the new GOAT doesn't come along until you're so old that you stop caring, have dementia, or you're dead, so you either didn't care or didn't know that it happened. If that happens for you? Congratulations, I suppose. You "win." But, here's the thing. A new contender for the crown is eventually going to emerge. Whether you know about it or care, or not. If it feels good to delay the inevitable then, well, right on. But that's the game one is playing.
 

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I ducked out of this thread after KC made the winning Field Goal and am just catching up. Did Mahomes fake his ankle injury just so he could limp into the locker room and impregnate Rhianna?
 

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Everyone knows the field at State Farm Stadium is worse than the ice at TD Garden. If the Chiefs came prepared with the right footwear and used the conditions to their advantage with misdirection and zig zag routes, then all the more respect to them for it.
 

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Everyone knows the field at State Farm Stadium is worse than the ice at TD Garden. If the Chiefs came prepared with the right footwear and used the conditions to their advantage with misdirection and zig zag routes, then all the more respect to them for it.
I didn’t notice either team handling the turf particularly better than the other.
 

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I really enjoyed last night's Superbowl. First one I watched in years that didn't have the Patriots involved or me betting. Two great quarterbacks. Exciting all the way. Fun TV commercials, even the half-time music show was good. This is why the Super Bowl is number one sports event in USA.
I am a big baseball ⚾ fan. Favorite sport, but just hard to beat that one night sports event that the NFL has.
 

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It obviously was a close game with a really good comeback by Kansas City, lots of scoring etc. But ESPN today labeled it the greatest Super Bowl of all time. And I don’t know, it just didn’t feel quite like that to me. I still contend that patriots versus Seahawks was the greatest Super Bowl of all time for a whole host of reasons. But I could just be a massive homer and be blinded on this one. What do you guys think? Was this the greatest Super Bowl ever?
 

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It obviously was a close game with a really good comeback by Kansas City, lots of scoring etc. But ESPN today labeled it the greatest Super Bowl of all time. And I don’t know, it just didn’t feel quite like that to me. I still contend that patriots versus Seahawks was the greatest Super Bowl of all time for a whole host of reasons. But I could just be a massive homer and be blinded on this one. What do you guys think? Was this the greatest Super Bowl ever?
Hard no, but it would have been in the conversation had it ended in a Chiefs field goal followed by Eagles TD or either team winning in OT. It was veering toward classic territory when Hurts scored the 2 point conversion. Ending the way it did, I think the Pats have been in at least 4 or 5 more eligible for the top of the pantheon Super Bowls (including a couple where they lost).
 

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It obviously was a close game with a really good comeback by Kansas City, lots of scoring etc. But ESPN today labeled it the greatest Super Bowl of all time. And I don’t know, it just didn’t feel quite like that to me. I still contend that patriots versus Seahawks was the greatest Super Bowl of all time for a whole host of reasons. But I could just be a massive homer and be blinded on this one. What do you guys think? Was this the greatest Super Bowl ever?
No. Not even close. It's not even in the top 5. It was a game that ended on a, um, flag.

That is one of the more absurd things you could ever hear.

Off the top of my head, the Pitt/Dallas SBs were better. The Patriots versus the Rams (2001) and the Seahawks and Falcons are ahead. The Rams versus the Titans was better. Broncos GB was better. Niners Bengals was better. Maybe both of them. Bills Giants was better. I would even say NE Carolina was better. The ending of that game was insane. Giants Patriots was better.

Ok, I'm done. It's not even in the same galaxy as best ever. Just kind of absurd and hot takey.
 

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Best ever needs basically all of the following at this point:
  • Final score margin <=7
  • 4th quarter comeback, preferably winner going from down to ahead on their last drive
  • Both teams playing well (imo considering the argument this excludes NE/ATL for how bad the collapse was and NE/PHI 2 for how little defense was played)
  • Compelling storyline for the winner
  • Signature play or at least something out of the ordinary
This game loses on points 2 and 4 - kneeling to kick while tied lacks the necessary drama. And as much as I am here to acknowledge Mahomes is already an all time great, his second ring and even Reid over his former team are pretty ho hum as all time compelling storylines go.

Interesting to try to judge the list against the above criteria. Gut feeling is NE/SEA and the game that shall not be named are the best two since things took a turn for the better around Elway's first, even if they don't score 100s against that rubric.
 

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To each their own, but I don't understand this kind of 'sports hate'. They fawn all over Mahomes because he is an other-wordly talent playing the most important position, by far, in the game. To me the media reaction isn't nearly as detestable as it was for Jeter, who was an above average player making a notable, but limited, impact for his juggernaut team.

Plus, Mahomes comes across as a decent enough guy. He's no try-hard, poseur like Travis Kelce.
There is no "sports hate". I don;t like the guy. As I said, I think he is a great QB, but that doesn't make me have to like him.
 

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No. Not even close. It's not even in the top 5. It was a game that ended on a, um, flag.

That is one of the more absurd things you could ever hear.

Off the top of my head, the Pitt/Dallas SBs were better. The Patriots versus the Rams (2001) and the Seahawks and Falcons are ahead. The Rams versus the Titans was better. Broncos GB was better. Niners Bengals was better. Maybe both of them. Bills Giants was better. I would even say NE Carolina was better. The ending of that game was insane. Giants Patriots was better.

Ok, I'm done. It's not even in the same galaxy as best ever. Just kind of absurd and hot takey.
Every time there is a close, entertaining game, there is an immediate rush by some observers to call it the best ever. It’s pretty funny.
 

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This doesn’t fit the final margin of victory criteria, but Saints-Colts was significant. The Colts were favorites. Peyton and Dungy were going for their second Super Bowl. The city of New Orleans and the franchise had gone through so much with Hurricane Katrina. The surprise onside kick sparking the Saints comeback. Tracey Porter’s pick six to seal it.
 

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As much as I hated the ending, Steelers vs. Cardinals doesn't get enough love in great SBs.

While I don't think that that was the best SB ever, it is one of the best half-dozen and IMO it had the single greatest play in SB history: the Harrison TD return. (Note that I didn't say biggest, although it was a big play -- it resulted in at least a 7 point swing, and maybe as many as 15).
 

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These last 5 years for Mahomes production wise are right there or better with Brady and Manning.
Mahomes gives you a ridiculously low sack rate like Brady, he’s also a pocket passing fool, and he gives you the off-platform and scrambling/creation stuff. Brady is still the GOAT but if we’re looking at which QB at their peak was the most talented… I’m not sure I can say he isn’t the best or at least tied for the best.
 

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Ah, OK. That's weird. Have fun with that.
Is it, though? I think everyone here is aware of the arbitrary and hypocritical nature of likes and dislikes in sports fandom. I don’t see what’s so notable about disliking Mahomes.
 

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No. Not even close. It's not even in the top 5. It was a game that ended on a, um, flag.

That is one of the more absurd things you could ever hear.

Off the top of my head, the Pitt/Dallas SBs were better. The Patriots versus the Rams (2001) and the Seahawks and Falcons are ahead. The Rams versus the Titans was better. Broncos GB was better. Niners Bengals was better. Maybe both of them. Bills Giants was better. I would even say NE Carolina was better. The ending of that game was insane. Giants Patriots was better.

Ok, I'm done. It's not even in the same galaxy as best ever. Just kind of absurd and hot takey.
All correct. And when you say "ended on a flag," you mean "the flag ended the game." I mean, sure they needed an old-timey extra point to make it official, but that's an anticlimactic end to what was overall a good game. Chiefs-Niners and Ravens-Niners were better or at least as good.
 

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All correct. And when you say "ended on a flag," you mean "the flag ended the game." I mean, sure they needed an old-timey extra point to make it official, but that's an anticlimactic end to what was overall a good game. Chiefs-Niners and Ravens-Niners were better or at least as good.
When a game ends with a ticky tack foul that gives a team the victory, culminating in kneel downs and then a short kick with no time on the clock, it's anti-climatic. Especially considering KC got a lot of breaks against Cinncy, too.

Obviously this game was better than the blowouts over the years. But the ending sullied the game, unlike, say, the Pats Giants or Arizona Pitt, where the teams were battling it out.
 

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Is it, though? I think everyone here is aware of the arbitrary and hypocritical nature of likes and dislikes in sports fandom. I don’t see what’s so notable about disliking Mahomes.
This guy said it's not a sports dislike, it's personal. I think disliking Patrick Mahomes personally is absloutely weird.
 

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I don’t think Mahomes ends up with 7, but I think he will win 4-5 in a shorter span than Brady did. Brady had the incredible second act to his career after the 10 year gap between Super Bowls #3 and #4. I can see Mahomes winning all his in the next few years and being out of the game by age 35-36.
disagree. That contract is about to hit reality, Reid is 64, Kelce about to be 34. They're very fortunate that the 2021 draft and Thuney signing revamped the line for minimal $.
 

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This guy said it's not a sports dislike, it's personal. I think disliking Patrick Mahomes personally is absloutely weird.
I despise Travis Kelce as a player and as a human being. Seeing his face gives me hives. It is because of Kelce I was so upset about the end of the game last night. I don't harbor any ill will towards any other Chief now that Hill is gone. Maybe a quarter piece of hate for Toney.

Sometimes it's not rational. But Kelce is also a fucking douche and Mahomes is pretty awesome. But still, it's not rational.
 

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disagree. That contract is about to hit reality, Reid is 64, Kelce about to be 34. They're very fortunate that the 2021 draft and Thuney signing revamped the line for minimal $.
There is no reason to think Kelce can't play until he's 38. Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates played almost to their 40s and were effective. Kelce doesn't block and he is so big, he rarely takes big hits. And he doesn't have 5-10 surgeries stacking up that leaves him vulnerable like Gronk with his 50 surgeries.

Kelce is also INSANELY reliable. He's missed 3 games in his career. And I think one of them was a Week 18 rest day. That is truly impressive and, frankly, insane.
 

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There is no reason to think Kelce can't play until he's 38. Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates played almost to their 40s and were effective. Kelce doesn't block and he is so big, he rarely takes big hits. And he doesn't have 5-10 surgeries stacking up that leaves him vulnerable like Gronk with his 50 surgeries.

Kelce is also INSANELY reliable. He's missed 3 games in his career. And I think one of them was a Week 18 rest day. That is truly impressive and, frankly, insane.
the amount of guys who can still be competitive receivers at 34 and beyond is minimal. If Travis Kelce's production drops as Gates and Gonzalez did, the Chiefs are almost certainly not a super bowl team unless they're finding a replacement.
 

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The thing about Kelce is that he's 33 and his production hasn't even slightly dropped off. In fact, he had more receptions this year than any other (and second-most yards among his seasons).
 

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I distinctly remember discussions on here last year about Kelce going downhill... and yet he lost Hill this year and was as good as ever.
 

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This guy said it's not a sports dislike, it's personal. I think disliking Patrick Mahomes personally is absloutely weird.
I don't dislike him but I could see his entire chipper positivity thing being a little annoying particularly if you think it's fake. And it doesn't bother me but there is something a little "Paul Piece in the wheelchair" about some of his injuries.
 

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disagree. That contract is about to hit reality, Reid is 64, Kelce about to be 34. They're very fortunate that the 2021 draft and Thuney signing revamped the line for minimal $.
What about his contract is bad? It's a $46 million cap hit (less than Dak and Deshaun btw), which is only $10 million more than this year as the cap is growing by $12 million. His contract is great. It runs for 10 years, so it'll count for less and less against the cap as it rises.

If anything, KC is looking at a Brady-type situation where they have their best player signed to a below market deal for his entire prime. In 2028, the cap will be like $280-$300 million and he'll still be making the same amount of money. They're positioned really well for the future because they have price stability at the most important position in the league.

The Eagles are the team in trouble - half their defense are going to be free agents and Hurts will be signing a huge extension (that will likely exceed Mahomes on a year-to-year basis).
 

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I guess for me since getting into the draft a while back I’ve appreciated talent. You see a guy and his potential and you want him to fulfill it. The Watson/Mahomes year was the first year I started really getting into it and I saw a diamond in the rough. I didn’t know with any certainty if he could put it all together. I thought he was a classic huge risk huge reward guy. Landing with Reid was his best case scenario. A lot of guys might not have been busts if they landed in a better situation. I mean look at KVN. He looked like a complete bust in Detroit but Belichick used him the right way and helped develop him into a quality starter.

Look at what Mahomes said about Hurts last night:

"If there were any doubters left, there shouldn't be now," Mahomes said, via Dov Kleiman. "The way he stepped (up) on this stage, ran, threw the ball, whatever it takes for his team to win, that was a special performance that I don't want to get lost in the loss that they had..."
Class act. He’s one of the most if not the most entertaining QB to watch and he isn’t a bragger. He’s a humble dude. Doesn’t gloat. If you don’t like him for whatever reasons I guess I understand it (my brother hates him and Brady because “They are too good and win too much.”). You like who you like. I hope you at least appreciate how good he is and enjoy watching him deal.
 

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No. Not even close. It's not even in the top 5. It was a game that ended on a, um, flag.

That is one of the more absurd things you could ever hear.

Off the top of my head, the Pitt/Dallas SBs were better. The Patriots versus the Rams (2001) and the Seahawks and Falcons are ahead. The Rams versus the Titans was better. Broncos GB was better. Niners Bengals was better. Maybe both of them. Bills Giants was better. I would even say NE Carolina was better. The ending of that game was insane. Giants Patriots was better.

Ok, I'm done. It's not even in the same galaxy as best ever. Just kind of absurd and hot takey.
SB XIII (Steelers 35, Cowboys 31) is overrated. The Steelers jumped out to a 35-17 lead in that game, and then traded yards and points for time. In the words of Jack Lambert after the game, "If we didn't have 35, they never would have gotten 31." SB X (Steelers 21, Cowboys 17) was actually more of a game. And SB XIV (Steelers 31, Rams 19) was actually better than bother of them. Check out how many times the game was tied and/or the lead changed in that one before the Steelers scored the pull away TD.

As much as I hate The Rapist Era Steelers, I agree that SB XLIII (Steelers 27, Cardinals 23) is often overlooked when discussing great games. The other one that is often overlooked is SB XXXII (Broncos 31, Packers 24).

I think this was a great SB, but I would not rate it the best. While I agree with the call on Bradberry, it did sap some of the excitement from the end of the game, much like the penalty on John Kasay's errant KO after the Panthers tied up SB XXXVIII (Patriots 32, Panthers 29) did to that game.
 
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Nitpick but the Kasay KO was kind of negated by the OPI penalty on the Pats a few plays into the drive. They were facing 1st and 20 against an elite D line that knew the Pats were throwing it. Brady’s 13 yard completion to Troy Brown on that 1st and 20 play was one of the underrated plays of Troy’s career.
 

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Yeah, I only mildly sports hate Mahomes. I really don't have much issue with him.

His brother seems to be a jackwagon though.
 

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It obviously was a close game with a really good comeback by Kansas City, lots of scoring etc. But ESPN today labeled it the greatest Super Bowl of all time. And I don’t know, it just didn’t feel quite like that to me. I still contend that patriots versus Seahawks was the greatest Super Bowl of all time for a whole host of reasons. But I could just be a massive homer and be blinded on this one. What do you guys think? Was this the greatest Super Bowl ever?
The thing about the Pats-Seahawks SB too is that those were the premier teams in the league for YEARS up to that point. Obviously KC has reached that point, but the Eagles have not.
 
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Yeah, I only mildly sports hate Mahomes. I really don't have much issue with him.

His brother seems to be a jackwagon though.
I was scuba diving off Playa del Carmen and Cozumel this year (which is my Twitter Avatar btw) and ran into a pharma. CEO who happened to live two houses over from Mahomes. He said if you didn’t know he is an NFL QB you wouldn’t from meeting him because he’s so down to earth, low-key, humble, friendly, etc. He said the neighbors call his brother “the douchebag” and no one likes Brittany because she is apparently obnoxious and loud. Now I’m not sure how much of that is just misogyny and I don’t really care because it’s not the point of the thread but it was cool hearing that success hasn’t apparently inflated his ego. When you listen to him talk it fits in with his description too.
 

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I watched bits and pieces of the game on several screens and a phone during a wedding yesterday (Yeah I know but I had to go and the 9ers were not in it so it didn't bother me that much)

Watching the replay on NFL Network now. That sequence in the 2nd quarter. Eagles driving up 14-7 looking like they could score (and Butker had just missed a FG) then Hurts fumbles a snap Chiefs score. Eagles drive right back and score again. It could easily have been a very different game at halftime, with the Eagles up 2-3 scores.
 

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I watched bits and pieces of the game on several screens and a phone during a wedding yesterday (Yeah I know but I had to go and the 9ers were not in it so it didn't bother me that much)

Watching the replay on NFL Network now. That sequence in the 2nd quarter. Eagles driving up 14-7 looking like they could score (and Butker had just missed a FG) then Hurts fumbles a snap Chiefs score. Eagles drive right back and score again. It could easily have been a very different game at halftime, with the Eagles up 2-3 scores.
If you believe in the SB loser hangover, this one certainly would qualify for Philly. They were controlling that game. Just needed one stop in the 3rd and they would have been able to grind the clock in the 2nd half. It’s a game that their fans will get annoyed by for quite some time.

The Pats never really had a SB loss where I felt they controlled the game and lost.
 

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In terms of a hangover I don’t see it from the offense. It’s going to be largely the same group next year. Hurts is just getting better as a passer too. Defensively they have a lot of free agents. They also might lose their DC, Gannon, but I don’t really like him that much anyway. I don’t think he had his team ready. For example he didn’t adjust some of his pass coverage rules which burned them. He didn’t have them prepared for motion and the Chiefs borrowed multiple plays from the Jaguars, for example, that resulted in wide open touchdowns. Doug is a Reid disciple fwiw.
 

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how i see the afc next year
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6 DEN or LAC
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8 NE/MIA/TENN
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In terms of a hangover I don’t see it from the offense. It’s going to be largely the same group next year. Hurts is just getting better as a passer too. Defensively they have a lot of free agents. They also might lose their DC, Gannon, but I don’t really like him that much anyway. I don’t think he had his team ready. For example he didn’t adjust some of his pass coverage rules which burned them. He didn’t have them prepared for motion and the Chiefs borrowed multiple plays from the Jaguars, for example, that resulted in wide open touchdowns. Doug is a Reid disciple fwiw.
Agreed. Offense will be fine. All the keys guys are coming back. Defense is another story. They have a TON of FAs on that side of the ball. They don’t have many picks but they do have #10/31 so I could see them trading down to pick up more picks. With Hurts due to get paid soon, this feels like a big missed opportunity for the franchise but we’ll see.
 

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In terms of a hangover I don’t see it from the offense. It’s going to be largely the same group next year. Hurts is just getting better as a passer too. Defensively they have a lot of free agents. They also might lose their DC, Gannon, but I don’t really like him that much anyway. I don’t think he had his team ready. For example he didn’t adjust some of his pass coverage rules which burned them. He didn’t have them prepared for motion and the Chiefs borrowed multiple plays from the Jaguars, for example, that resulted in wide open touchdowns. Doug is a Reid disciple fwiw.
They'll probably lose Sanders to FA. They can get by with Gainwell and Scott with Hurts as the short-yardage guy. Devonta Smith will probably eclipse 100 catches next year.

As for the defense, next year will be year 3 or 4 of the "squeeze one more year out of Cox and Graham" plan. Every year it scares me because you can only go to that well so many times. I don't see how they keep Bradberry AND CJGJ, who both earned a major payday this offseason.

I was worried about Gannon going into the game because it felt like his soft zone played to the Chiefs strengths to begin with. Whatever Andy found in the 2nd half made it that much worse.
 

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This guy said it's not a sports dislike, it's personal. I think disliking Patrick Mahomes personally is absloutely weird.
Yes, and people talking about his brother or wife being annoying is equally weird, at least in the context of disliking mahomes personally.

The odds are basically nil of him ending up with a better career than Brady, but there's an argument to be made that he's playing better, right now, than any QB has ever played. He's been a fucking killer since he took over the starting role. He's basically Brady with less durability, but with mobility as an escape valve whenever he needs it. I think anyone expecting him to trail off (even slightly) when Reid leaves, or when Kelce retires, or when he hits his mid 30s is going to end up disappointed. The chance of him playing at an MVP level into his mid 40s like Brady are (again) basically nonexistent, but his greatest comp isn't Brady (+mobility and -durability), it's Aaron Rodgers (+leadership and +raising his game in the playoffs). Rodgers just won back to back MVPs at 37 and 38. I'd pencil in Mahomes as the best QB in the league for the next dozen years without thinking twice.
 

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This guy said it's not a sports dislike, it's personal. I think disliking Patrick Mahomes personally is absloutely weird.
No, that's not what I said. I said that it is not sports hate. And I never said it was personal. You are trying to read too much into my post.
 

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Good article in WashPost today about why the field was so bad - not surprisingly the NFL chose aesthetics over quality. I'm no agronomist, but it was too much slick ryegrass mixed with the more appropriate but less green Bermudagrass: "Whereas Bermudagrass goes dormant in cold weather and turns brownish-yellow, ryegrass grows lush green. But ryegrass is naturally waxy to the touch and slippery."
 

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I’m curious from @DaveRoberts'Shoes or others. Which of these is true?

1. Mahomes never had a high ankle sprain.
2. Mahomes had a high ankle sprain, but he has a unique physiology that provides mobility greater than any other athlete with a high ankle sprain.
3.The Chiefs’s medical staff is rewriting the book on treating high ankle sprains.
I think he had a high ankle sprain but it was very low-grade which is what allowed him to play. Like a lot of injuries, there are different grades and the less severe the sprain, the sooner they can get back out there. There’s a spectrum from a minor one, which Mahomes presumably had, to the ones like Tua had in college which necessitated surgery, to ones like Gronk’s in the second Giants super bowl where he could technically play but was essentially a decoy (and he had surgery in the offseason). I don’t think there‘s anything nefarious or miraculous, just the normal spectrum of injury at play.