Sox depth - what is next?
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Well, if we're discussing it based on best-case scenarios, a 6-win SS is far harder to find than a 6-win pitcher, right? (5 win? whatever)ivanvamp said:
Edit: I should say young, cost-controlled 6-win SS. Also, that's before considering the fact that young shortstops have no significant tendency to blow out vital body parts in the course of compiling all those wins above replacement, whereas pitchers do, and of course we're talking Harvey here.
If we think Marrero can be a 3-4 win SS with his bat, then that's food for thought, but after 2014 I'm not sure the Sox are willing to project the kids too aggressively.
MakMan44 said:
It'd probably be a waste of resources, but I'd personally like to see him DFA'd for Sandoval's roster spot.
Because, well, everything. (Such as refusing to play fall/winter ball, the whole contact/eyeglass thing, etc... He doesn't seem to take improving his game very seriously, so why should the Red Sox take him seriously?
For me its settled into something relatively simple. You sign Lester, and then you package Cespedes with some kids not named Mookie, Xander, or Blake and get another pitcher. Dump Craig for anything and you're done.
Really, I find it hard to believe we can't find a real good pitcher without dealing one of our top three prospects.
Really, I find it hard to believe we can't find a real good pitcher without dealing one of our top three prospects.
Fair point. I think Will is a better hitter than Holt and that's driving the interest but it's not like Will has shown anything the last couple seasons. I just don't think they're going to get anything of worth in a trade and just dumping him seems like a waste. Maybe they can get a Badenhop type reliever but I think that's a best case scenario.Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat said:
Hahaha, I can just see Snod getting yelled at by his fiance' as he frantically tries to push the report button.E5 Yaz said:
circus catch said:
Along this line of thinking, if you were to package say Cespedes and Owens, what sort of yield could we net? What if we sweeten the pot with one of Devers or Margot? Another pitcher like Webster or Ranaudo? I don't think we're going to get Chris Sale, but I'm pretty sure we could easily build a package for just about any pitcher who might hit the trade market, and do so without including Bogaerts, Betts or Swihart.
I expect the SP situation to be settled within the next couple of weeks. I assume Lester will resign and a trade will happen for another SP. After that the rest of the off season becomes a BC Special with a festive jubilee of RP moves. It will bore most of us but will ultimately determine the September and October fate of this team.
It will however, be fun around here when Craig is traded away (partially subsidized) for a lhrp so there's that.
It will however, be fun around here when Craig is traded away (partially subsidized) for a lhrp so there's that.
This belongs in the WAG thread.Hank Scorpio said:
Look for redundancy for the guys who will get traded. Cespedes is a no brainer choice. Craig and Victorino are likely after the season starts kind of deals. Cecchini and WMB can be dealt, but they can also be started at other positions to increase their versitility. The Sox may never need it, but it makes them more valuable if traded.
The players you should not consider are anyone who does not have a clear improvement on the roster and anyone who is a year or more away. It makes little sense to deal away the upside when so many other options exist.
Not necessarily a proposal, but I think what's shaping up is an opportunity to acquire appropriate hedges on young talent for this season (Hanely and Panda) that can be used for the same or other positions next year when contracts expire. So, yes, Cespedes, Napoli, Victorino, and Mujica are gone by next year, but you can't always get the timing perfect, so Sox may have planned to eat something this year to make it work longer term. Or maybe they'll hope for the best deal on the excess and dump it should it come to that.
To that end, what is the real market for Cespedes? Theoretically, a team that feels they can contend now, with a clear opportunity to upgrade their hitting in the OF or at DH without diminishing their existing roster (i.e., the presumed bone fide starter that are supposed to provide in trade). Do, say, the Reds really trade Latos for Cespedes and prospects, even SP prospects that can compete for a rotation spot, without having a strong idea who will fill his spot? Maybe, but I wonder how many teams are real possibilties.
To that end, what is the real market for Cespedes? Theoretically, a team that feels they can contend now, with a clear opportunity to upgrade their hitting in the OF or at DH without diminishing their existing roster (i.e., the presumed bone fide starter that are supposed to provide in trade). Do, say, the Reds really trade Latos for Cespedes and prospects, even SP prospects that can compete for a rotation spot, without having a strong idea who will fill his spot? Maybe, but I wonder how many teams are real possibilties.
diehard24 said:
I was thinking Seattle, SF, Detroit or Baltimore. I had proposed Washington and gotten laughed at in another thread because of their full outfield — but now the Twitter wunderkind proposes it. So who knows?
Seattle's pretty clearly the best fit.
I tried this a few hours ago and came up with the following list:nvalvo said:
chrisfont9 said:
Hey folks,
I just hid a bunch of posts to try to keep things on track. Knock it off with the ad hominem attacks and moderation attempts. If you think someone's polluting the board or being an idiot, report it in backwash.
And as always, if you have an off-topic thought to post feel free to start a new thread. New threads are good, wandering mega-threads that range way off topic are bad.
I just hid a bunch of posts to try to keep things on track. Knock it off with the ad hominem attacks and moderation attempts. If you think someone's polluting the board or being an idiot, report it in backwash.
And as always, if you have an off-topic thought to post feel free to start a new thread. New threads are good, wandering mega-threads that range way off topic are bad.
chrisfont9, I'd move CWS to oddball, or possible; the LaRoche and Duke signings suggest they see a chance of contending, and Cespedes would be an improvement over his countryman, Viciedo.
I don't understand all the Reds talk. They've been rumored to be shopping Cueto, Latos and Bruce, but if they're rebuilding why would they want Cespedes for a year?
I don't understand all the Reds talk. They've been rumored to be shopping Cueto, Latos and Bruce, but if they're rebuilding why would they want Cespedes for a year?
This guy has been pretty accurate so far this offseason. Not a national writer so take this for what it's worth.
https://twitter.com/mibeltrodriguez/status/537246438347247617
https://twitter.com/mibeltrodriguez/status/537246438347247617
Harry Hooper said:
Any trade designed to open up roster space for Hanley and Panda is likely going to be along those lines...a teeny tiny step above a DFA in order to get something instead of nothing.
Guessing he means before 1pm since the pressers are scheduled for then.SoxFanForsyth said:
On a different note, I'm wondering how the bullpen is going to shake out with all these young pitchers on the AAA shuttle.
If none of these guys get dealt these are how I see their roles. I'm not trying to figure out the pen arm by arm but these are my adjusted expectations from what I've seen.
-Ranaudo could be a long guy/swing man
-De La Rosa would be a good 6th or 7th inning guy depending on who has been used up. I just don't see him as a long term starter in the AL East without another pitch.
-Barnes can go back to AAA or dealt.
-Webster I'd like to see a little more as a starter in his make or break year. His trade value isn't much, and if his mechanics ever get fixed he'll be worth keeping.
-I'd be in favor of dealing Tazawa before his arm falls off (contingent on Miller re-upping here)
thats an extremely vague scoop. Where does he get his info? a 14 year old with a twitter account?
BarrettsHiddenBall said:
I feel the same about the Reds. Trading, say, Latos creates a big hole in the rotation, enough so to take them out of contention. To me, any trade with the Reds would either hurt them too much or not help the Sox enough, robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Agreed on CWS. Reds, are we sure they're in rebuilding mode? My list is possible destinations but drilling down I'm sure they're not an overly likely one.BarrettsHiddenBall said:
I'd say the Reds are not necessarily rebuilding and will probably make some side grades to make a run at the WC.
Votto is locked up. Mesoraco is in his prime. Hamilton is a stud in the making. Frazier is awesome. Cozart is basically Jose Iglesias. They have a lights out closer who could move into the rotation. They need OF help which is where the Sox fit in since Bruce was horrendous last year and they can't bank on him to bounce back. Ludwick is also a free agent and they can easily upgrade there. All they need to plug the loss of Latos or Leake is with someone like Santana.
The Sox are definitely a match for Latos/Leake. They'd be moving Cueto if they thought they couldn't contend.
Votto is locked up. Mesoraco is in his prime. Hamilton is a stud in the making. Frazier is awesome. Cozart is basically Jose Iglesias. They have a lights out closer who could move into the rotation. They need OF help which is where the Sox fit in since Bruce was horrendous last year and they can't bank on him to bounce back. Ludwick is also a free agent and they can easily upgrade there. All they need to plug the loss of Latos or Leake is with someone like Santana.
The Sox are definitely a match for Latos/Leake. They'd be moving Cueto if they thought they couldn't contend.
diehard24 said:
Interesting piece by Drew Fairservice. He doesn't spell out specific ideas here, but lots of allusion to a three-way deal given the lack of obvious trade partners.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/lets-find-a-new-team-for-yoenis-cespedes/
Latos is a real uncertainty to bounce back because of declining velocity and injury. I'd be much more interested in Shark, even though we'd have to throw in someone like Workman and Hinojosa with Cespedes being the main guy. It would be a pretty fair trade for both sides. We would get the better guaranteed production (and the compensation pick) while they get the upside from the pitchers.