Well, if we're discussing it based on best-case scenarios, a 6-win SS is far harder to find than a 6-win pitcher, right? (5 win? whatever)ivanvamp said:I honestly wouldn't know what to think about a Bogaerts-for-Harvey trade. On the one hand, I'm an unabashed Xander lover and want this guy for the next dozen years or so in a Boston uniform, tearing it up.
If he hits, they'll find at bats for him.KillerBs said:That seems the most likely result. I see an unhappy Allen Craig at the end of the bench in our future, not that I give a shit.
they are going to trade him DIFFIDENTLY.MakMan44 said:Sooooooo.....I've been wondering what the Sox are going to do with Middlebrooks at this point.
I dunno. I was wondering if they can have him take up the OF/1st and carve out a Brock Holt like role for him.Eddie Jurak said:they are going to trade him DIFFIDENTLY.
MakMan44 said:Sooooooo.....I've been wondering what the Sox are going to do with Middlebrooks at this point.
Except they already have Brock Holt for the Brock Holt like role.MakMan44 said:I dunno. I was wondering if they can have him take up the OF/1st and carve out a Brock Holt like role for him.
Snodgrass'Muff said:
You know what? You're right. Trying to discuss this with you and other posters who aren't interested in input from people who have been here longer than you is a waste of time. I'll do what I should have in the first place and just use the report button where I feel it's appropriate and ignore you otherwise. Carry on.
Apologies to the thread for the unnecessary diversion.
Fair point. I think Will is a better hitter than Holt and that's driving the interest but it's not like Will has shown anything the last couple seasons. I just don't think they're going to get anything of worth in a trade and just dumping him seems like a waste. Maybe they can get a Badenhop type reliever but I think that's a best case scenario.Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat said:Except they already have Brock Holt for the Brock Holt like role.
Hahaha, I can just see Snod getting yelled at by his fiance' as he frantically tries to push the report button.E5 Yaz said:
Okay ... now THIS is our dark glimpse into your married life
I wouldn't be surprised if he was a wild card piece of a tradeMakMan44 said:Fair point. I think Will is a better hitter than Holt and that's driving the interest but it's not like Will has shown anything the last couple seasons. I just don't think they're going to get anything of worth in a trade and just dumping him seems like a waste. Maybe they can get a Badenhop type reliever but I think that's a best case scenario.
Alright, I can buy that.Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat said:I wouldn't be surprised if he was a wild card piece of a trade
circus catch said:For me its settled into something relatively simple. You sign Lester, and then you package Cespedes with some kids not named Mookie, Xander, or Blake and get another pitcher. Dump Craig for anything and you're done.
Really, I find it hard to believe we can't find a real good pitcher without dealing one of our top three prospects.
This belongs in the WAG thread.Hank Scorpio said:
Along this line of thinking, if you were to package say Cespedes and Owens, what sort of yield could we net? What if we sweeten the pot with one of Devers or Margot? Another pitcher like Webster or Ranaudo? I don't think we're going to get Chris Sale, but I'm pretty sure we could easily build a package for just about any pitcher who might hit the trade market, and do so without including Bogaerts, Betts or Swihart.
diehard24 said:Not necessarily a proposal, but I think what's shaping up is an opportunity to acquire appropriate hedges on young talent for this season (Hanely and Panda) that can be used for the same or other positions next year when contracts expire. So, yes, Cespedes, Napoli, Victorino, and Mujica are gone by next year, but you can't always get the timing perfect, so Sox may have planned to eat something this year to make it work longer term. Or maybe they'll hope for the best deal on the excess and dump it should it come to that.
To that end, what is the real market for Cespedes? Theoretically, a team that feels they can contend now, with a clear opportunity to upgrade their hitting in the OF or at DH without diminishing their existing roster (i.e., the presumed bone fide starter that are supposed to provide in trade). Do, say, the Reds really trade Latos for Cespedes and prospects, even SP prospects that can compete for a rotation spot, without having a strong idea who will fill his spot? Maybe, but I wonder how many teams are real possibilties.
I tried this a few hours ago and came up with the following list:nvalvo said:
I was thinking Seattle, SF, Detroit or Baltimore. I had proposed Washington and gotten laughed at in another thread because of their full outfield — but now the Twitter wunderkind proposes it. So who knows?
Seattle's pretty clearly the best fit.
chrisfont9 said:
* Eliminate all of the rebuilding teams who won't want him on a one-year deal. IMHO that's CWS, MIN, HOU, PHI, Cubs, COL, ARI.
* Eliminate a few bad fits, either lack of need or, you know: NYY, WAS, KC, LAAAA, LAD, PIT, STL, MIL. Maybe CLE
* A few oddball maybe's, at a cheap price: San Diego, who seem to want to make a splash. Texas, who aren't as bad as their 2014 season. Miami are probably too cheap and still developing, but it's not inconceivable. TBR are in about the same place -- could swing it, might work OK, but unlikely, esp within division.
That leaves:
* Baltimore: division foe is an obstacle
* Toronto: ditto
* Detroit: possible
* Oakland: would be weird but the fans did love him
* Seattle: possible
* Atlanta: possible but I'm guessing no
* Mets: possible
* Reds: possible assuming they're in win-now, which I don't know
* SF: possible, and might steal some As fans.
Sorry, backwash is members only. Take it to the SOSH support board instead.OptimusPapi said:And where is backwash?
Harry Hooper said:Half-assed prediction: Jemile Weeks is moved to the O's today for a random minor-leaguer.
Guessing he means before 1pm since the pressers are scheduled for then.SoxFanForsyth said:This guy has been pretty accurate so far this offseason. Not a national writer so take this for what it's worth.
https://twitter.com/mibeltrodriguez/status/537246438347247617
14 year olds are way more specific.opes said:thats an extremely vague scoop. Where does he get his info? a 14 year old with a twitter account?
BarrettsHiddenBall said:chrisfont9, I'd move CWS to oddball, or possible; the LaRoche and Duke signings suggest they see a chance of contending, and Cespedes would be an improvement over his countryman, Viciedo.
I don't understand all the Reds talk. They've been rumored to be shopping Cueto, Latos and Bruce, but if they're rebuilding why would they want Cespedes for a year?
Agreed on CWS. Reds, are we sure they're in rebuilding mode? My list is possible destinations but drilling down I'm sure they're not an overly likely one.BarrettsHiddenBall said:chrisfont9, I'd move CWS to oddball, or possible; the LaRoche and Duke signings suggest they see a chance of contending, and Cespedes would be an improvement over his countryman, Viciedo.
I don't understand all the Reds talk. They've been rumored to be shopping Cueto, Latos and Bruce, but if they're rebuilding why would they want Cespedes for a year?
diehard24 said:
I feel the same about the Reds. Trading, say, Latos creates a big hole in the rotation, enough so to take them out of contention. To me, any trade with the Reds would either hurt them too much or not help the Sox enough, robbing Peter to pay Paul.