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I have no words for whatever this segment is related to Springsteen. I’m in awe. This is up there with the game of thrones bit for great awful radio.
 

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Yeah, that was pretty weird. At least it was better than a previous segment where it sounded like Fred was competing against Joey Chestnut in a hot dog eating contest. ;)
 

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Man, Rich riffing on Matt Corral dating the daughter of Bret Michaels and beating up Wayne Gretzky's son is great stuff. :D
 

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There’s been some good material the past 2-3 days that hits Rich’s sweet spot. He’s been very good the second half of this week without Fred. The Finebaum tip today with Larry was also fantastic.
 

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Was anyone listening this morning? Caller called in who said he had direct knowledge of the Jack Jones case and said it had been moved up to today and almost every charge dismissed.
 

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Was anyone listening this morning? Caller called in who said he had direct knowledge of the Jack Jones case and said it had been moved up to today and almost every charge dismissed.
Yes, I posted in the Pats thread there. Sounds like someone had a big mouth. The caller was right.
 

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Yes, I posted in the Pats thread there. Sounds like someone had a big mouth. The caller was right.
"If it happens I'm the next Schefter"

Have to admit it sounded legit when I was listening. Not the usual "Yo my bro works at the DMV and said he heard blah blah blah" stuff that happens.
 

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Wasn't listening early enough to catch it, but then again I don't really see the appeal of the Bankroll Boys segment to begin with. No idea who at 98.5 thinks gambling talk makes for good radio, but they are wrong! :)
 

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Wasn't listening early enough to catch it, but then again I don't really see the appeal of the Bankroll Boys segment to begin with. No idea who at 98.5 thinks gambling talk makes for good radio, but they are wrong! :)
The segment has a different... energy... now that Murray has been replaced by Kendra Middleton. You can practically hear them leering at her. That aside, she's great. Hopefully the guys someday get used to having a pretty young woman in the studio and calm the F down when she's there.
 

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This Bankroll Boys segment is a disaster.
That segment has been underwhelming for quite some time. For me the low point was an episode where Rich was reading Lifshatz's twitter fights. I caught a bit this morning. I hope Middleton can breathe some life back into the segment. Frankly I would be fine with the entire thing going away.
 

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I got in the car right after 7 to hear Fred and Lifshatz arguing and that was it for me. No thanks. Over to Spotify for the bulk of my 90 minute commute.
 

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I know she's on NESN but what exactly does she know about gambling? I have NO idea why this segment is still a thing.
No one knows anything about gambling. Actually, I should amend that, the only people who really know about gambling don't go on the radio or TV to talk about gambling. They just do it. People who think that they know about gambling or want a shortcut to breaking into gambling spend a lot of time talking about gambling. But it's all bullshit.
 

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The segment has a different... energy... now that Murray has been replaced by Kendra Middleton. You can practically hear them leering at her. That aside, she's great. Hopefully the guys someday get used to having a pretty young woman in the studio and calm the F down when she's there.
Being better than Joe Murray is a low bar, but Middleton is an upgrade just for the fact that she isn't shouting about stupid stuff. I don't know much about her, but she seems comfortable talking gambling with the guys and I wasn't getting a creepy vibe from Rich and Fred when I've heard a couple of segments where she was in studio. If that's the case, I'm assuming she's cute and Fred is falling all over himself trying to be charming. :D
 

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Being better than Joe Murray is a low bar, but Middleton is an upgrade just for the fact that she isn't shouting about stupid stuff. I don't know much about her, but she seems comfortable talking gambling with the guys and I wasn't getting a creepy vibe from Rich and Fred when I've heard a couple of segments where she was in studio. If that's the case, I'm assuming she's cute and Fred is falling all over himself trying to be charming. :D
https://www.instagram.com/kendramiddleton/
 

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Lifshatz seems like the type of guy where 95% of his interactions are with people online within a small echo chamber. When he has to have a conversation with actual people, he cant believe someone else would have a different point of view or would push back at all.
 

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Being better than Joe Murray is a low bar, but Middleton is an upgrade just for the fact that she isn't shouting about stupid stuff...
Not shouting about stupid stuff? This was the first time I’ve ever heard her, and I thought she was a flaming idiot. The Mac vs. Tua argument with Lifshatz was one moronic take after another. Pointless and unfunny. Get rid of the segment.

On the other hand, T&R on Finebaum is fantastic.
 
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Being better than Joe Murray is a low bar, but Middleton is an upgrade just for the fact that she isn't shouting about stupid stuff. I don't know much about her, but she seems comfortable talking gambling with the guys and I wasn't getting a creepy vibe from Rich and Fred when I've heard a couple of segments where she was in studio. If that's the case, I'm assuming she's cute and Fred is falling all over himself trying to be charming. :D
She's not very good at gambling talk. She's a generic sports fan who will have generic betting takes. "I think the Cowboys cover the spread because Dak will have a good game!!" stuff like that.
 

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Lifshatz seems like the type of guy where 95% of his interactions are with people online within a small echo chamber. When he has to have a conversation with actual people, he cant believe someone else would have a different point of view or would push back at all.
Rich was talking today about how much yelling and people thought the segment sucked. Fred said something along the lines of “I was reading somewhere how Lifshatz live in an echo chamber and it was a perfect description.” I laughed remembering your post because I laughed when I first read it it’s so true.
It’s worth going back to the podcast to hear Fred’s rant about Dan. It was spot on.
 

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I loved it when Fred said about Lifshatz: "I'm actually envious of Dan ... I've really have maybe never met someone with a higher opinion of themself".
 

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I loved it when Fred said about Lifshatz: "I'm actually envious of Dan ... I've really have maybe never met someone with a higher opinion of themself".
That was the best part, he's was basically like "you understand how rare this is that he'll genuinely never admit he's wrong and then look disgusted with anyone who disagrees. He was disgusted by me mentioning the Ringer, no one at The Ringer gives a shit who Dan is"

That was Fred at his best.
 

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In case anyone wants to listen to the worst segment in the show's history, Kendra is representing the "bankroll bunch" with Dan Roche and Wallach right now
 

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Tough morning all around. Wallach and Roche are the bizarro T+R. Unfunny, not interesting, stale, no riffing. Listened to about 90 seconds of Wall Game and Roche talking about Disney rides before I realized they were the only ones on the air. Podcast time.
 

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I listed to the whole 'Disney' segment and it was so profoundly uninteresting that it almost became interesting as some sort of anti-art performance piece. It was really something special.

John Wallach cannot be allowed to speak under any circumstances other than reading headlines. I don't understand why they don't just turn his mic off when Toucher and Rich are there, and just play a damn car alarm sound effect when they aren't. Anything is better than Wallach.
 

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I disagree. I think Wallach is a valuable part of the show — when Fred and Rich are there. His presence over the years has given us the huge Wallach head, the classic Wall-dick where ya aaattt? drop, the bit where callers talk about seeing Wallach in public and being “Wall-dicked”…that’s some good stuff.
 

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I disagree. I think Wallach is a valuable part of the show — when Fred and Rich are there. His presence over the years has given us the huge Wallach head, the classic Wall-dick where ya aaattt? drop, the bit where callers talk about seeing Wallach in public and being “Wall-dicked”…that’s some good stuff.
Fair - but those don’t involve him talking.
 

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Kendra needs to slow down. I thought she had kind of a frantic energy. Maybe it's because she was faced with two guys doing their best to play the overprotective uncle routine, but it was a bad fit all around. I lasted half a segment before going to music.

Wallach was at his worst, constantly interrupting and stomping all over the bit. I agree that he's become a key character when T&R are in, even when it's just one of them he's OK, but as the first chair he's terrible.
 

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That said, I think a “Wallach & Roachie” show would get cancelled faster than anything in radio history.
The step down from Crash, who could fill hours at a time with his weirdness, to Wallach, who gives them maybe 5 minutes of making fun of him a month, was massive.
 

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Also as a gambler I thought it was a fireable offense for her to say she doesn't do a lot of in game bets. Those are typically the best odds and bets to make as the books don't have hours, days or months to set the line. It's like a craps expert saying "I only bet the hard 10 because the odds are so great!"
 

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I don't mind Wallach as the third banana, but he needs Fred or Rich to run the show. Today was a big "meh", but hopefully Fred is feeling OK and will be back soon and Rich will return from Oktoberfest with some good stories.
 

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The hope is -- and Fred almost openly said this on the air -- that Wallach gets the C's radio gig next year, and Ryan Johnston gets the Flash chair. He would be an upgrade. The recent weeks where Wallach was on vacation and RJ stepped in went very well IMO.
 

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I thought Johnson was very good too, but I just don't see Wallach getting the Celtics full-time job. I think a prominent national broadcaster will get the TV gig and Grande will stay where he is.
 

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I thought Johnson was very good too, but I just don't see Wallach getting the Celtics full-time job. I think a prominent national broadcaster will get the TV gig and Grande will stay where he is.
This is exactly what will happen.

RJ is light years ahead of Wallach. This summer when Fred was dealing with all his stuff and RJ was there for days and weeks it went way better. He doesn't step all over everyone, is very dry and sarcastic which I love, and actually knows sports. Give me RJ over Wallach everyday
 

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Are listeners interested at all in the gambling talk? Also, does anyone care about Dave Richards and fantasy football? I’ve never understood the appeal of either.
 

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Are listeners interested at all in the gambling talk? Also, does anyone care about Dave Richards and fantasy football? I’ve never understood the appeal of either.
My all time station changer is fantasy sports talk, but gambling isn't far behind now that places like DraftKings are advertisers so it feels like this "casual" talk of how whoever is placing what parlays is incredibly forced. Similar to what Barstool did years ago when all of the sudden everyone was a degenerate gambler.