Riding the Train: the 2013 Miami Dolphins

smastroyin · May 6, 2013

Presumably, sf121's point about Wallace is that he is a shitty individual because he made a bad joke about gays.

I'm sure that sf121, when Brandon Spikes makes a big stop, says "gee I want to cheer right now but Brandon Spikes is a shitty individual"

soxfan121 · May 6, 2013

smastroyin said:
Presumably, sf121's point about Wallace is that he is a shitty individual because he made a bad joke about gays.

I'm sure that sf121, when Brandon Spikes makes a big stop, says "gee I want to cheer right now but Brandon Spikes is a shitty individual"

Wallace didn't post a joke. SMH. I'm not much of a Brandon Spikes fan as a player or a person but I do cheer for the laundry.

Not to further derail this thread, but "shitty" is qualitatively different than "asshole" and it's shitty to rephrase something in a more inflammatory manner to make a shitty point about cheering for laundry and/or hypocrisy.

But to super clear, I didn't like the Wallace signing for financial and football reasons, and said so, and intentionally placed his status as an objective asshole second.

smastroyin · May 6, 2013

Not to further derail this thread, but "shitty" is qualitatively different than "asshole" and it's shitty to rephrase something in a more inflammatory manner to make a shitty point about cheering for laundry and/or hypocrisy.

It's pretty amazing that you quoted my entire post, which doesn't use the word "asshole," and then post this fucking tripe.

edit: Also, in general, the point is not just the question of loyalty. The thing is, every team has guys that post and do stupid shit on twitter and I'm sure more than do stupid shit in the privacy of their own lives. The idea that it affects the way the team will play is pretty well unproven and in the end, if you are going to be so righteously indignant about it, then in general you are bound to be disappointed because no matter what laundry they are wearing, these guys we cheer for are just guys, and some of them are shitty individuals.

Sorry, time for moderator hat. You are clearly trolling this thread and it's time for you to stop.

soxfan121 · May 6, 2013

pdaj said:
Dion Jordan weighed in at the combine at 246 pounds. "Need" aside, if you have the opportunity to steal the #1 defensive player on your board, you do it. Dion could end becoming a very special player.

[/QUOTE]Dion Jordan played in college at ~225. Players routinely pack on weight in the run up to the combine so ~245 sounds reasonable. And he could become a "very special player". But he wasn't very special in college. And you don't "steal" anything when you trade up to #3 to get him. If Jordan is better than the picks/players he was traded for, it's a win but it's not a steal.

And why is need aside?

pdaj said:
When reports first surfaced that Albert-to-Miami would happen for a 2nd-round pick and big money, you called Ireland an idiot. When a deal didn't take place, you wrote: "If Detroit and/or San Diego get shut out of OL help, they'll likely spend the 2nd round pick and then we'll have an entirely new reason to think Ireland is a dummy." You then "hoped" the Dolphins would trade up for Johnson, saying you'd "be overjoyed if the Dolphins cash in multiple picks to get at Lane Johnson when they could do something much smarter." But that didn't happen, either.

And now that Ireland took your "advice" and is letting Martin have at it? You're still taking the time to remind us that Ireland's a moron.

[/QUOTE]I've been consistent about one thing - Ireland is an idiot. The original bad decision - not having a plan in place at LT this offseason has produced multiple almost-transactions that have been worthy of criticism. Setting a price on Long would have been fine - what's worthy of criticism is budging on that price when STL proved serious. Trading for Albert would have been fine - but balking at his contract asking price after letting rumors of an "agreed upon trade" stir for weeks was worthy of criticism. When the trade up to #3 was announced, you thought it was for Lane Johnson - that's worthy of criticism.

Doing the whole do-si-do at LT this whole offseason hasn't been a public endorsement of Jonathan Martin, has it? So yeah...I said go with Martin a long time ago. And I've criticized all of the subsequent false starts Ireland committed at that position. The only thing worse than an unproven, young LT prospect is an unproven, young LT prospect the team has spent all off-season trying to upgrade, unsuccessfully. Really instills confidence in the guy. Mismanaging players, publicly, is worthy of criticism.

Bess had an average season in '12, was going to be a FA after this season, and he was unhappy with his role last year. Hartline was clearly Miami's best receiver, and with Wallace and Gibson added, Bess was slotted to be the Dolphins 4th wide-out. The trade was in the best interest of both parties.

I think Ireland over-spent on Wheeler, but the LB swaps, along with the addition of Dion, have the potential to make the Dolphin's defense more versatile/dynamic. Dansby (who's yet to find a new team) and Burnett were solid, but set to be FA after this season; and none of the cap hits prevented Miami from making the necessary moves this off-season.

If Tannehill makes the 2nd year leap all Fin fans are hoping for, this team will contend for the playoffs this season. That's all Miami fans expect.

OK on Bess - I forgot about Gibson. Is Hartline in the slot?

But the bold is really my problem with Ireland, and your defense of his offseason performance. Nothing he did prevents Miami from doing things this offseason. But Wallace's deal, plus the LB shuffle, plus the loss of a 2nd round pick (to get Jordan) WILL hinder (not prevent, hinder) Miami's ability to do things in the future. THAT has been my consistent criticism - go back and re-read our exchanges about the Ellerbe-Dansby moves. I'm an asset allocation fanatic. More than once I have criticized Ireland for acting like a short-timer who is not concerned with the future. Look at what below average GMs who are allowed to sacrifice the future for current year gains do to teams - Marty Hurney in Carolina, Tannebaum in NY, etc.

If Tannehill gets killed because of this LT mismanagement, Dolphins fans will have only Jeff Ireland to blame.

sodenj5 · May 6, 2013

soxfan121 said:
But the bold is really my problem with Ireland, and your defense of his offseason performance. Nothing he did prevents Miami from doing things this offseason. But Wallace's deal, plus the LB shuffle, plus the loss of a 2nd round pick (to get Jordan) WILL hinder (not prevent, hinder) Miami's ability to do things in the future. THAT has been my consistent criticism - go back and re-read our exchanges about the Ellerbe-Dansby moves. I'm an asset allocation fanatic. More than once I have criticized Ireland for acting like a short-timer who is not concerned with the future. Look at what below average GMs who are allowed to sacrifice the future for current year gains do to teams - Marty Hurney in Carolina, Tannebaum in NY, etc.

If Tannehill gets killed because of this LT mismanagement, Dolphins fans will have only Jeff Ireland to blame.

Huh? They traded one second rounder to move up 9 spots in the draft. NINE. By all accounts, that's an absolute steal. You can disagree with the selection of Jordan at #3 overall, but getting another pass rusher was at, or near the top of the NEED list. Jordan has the speed and athleticism to be a game changing presence against the pass. His versatility will also allow Coyle to move him all over the field. With quarterbacks with mobility being the new trend of the league, more and more, guys like Jordan will be utilized to help answer.

Moving back to the original point, Ireland took a proactive approach in revamping the LB core. Dansby was aging and declining and wasn't worth the salary he was being paid. He was also an almost definite cut at the end of this coming season. Burnett was solid, but again, on the wrong side of 30, and getting expensive. You can argue that try paid out a bunch of money and they aren't going to see a big increase in on field production, but I would argue that Dansby and Burnett were already on the decline, whereas Ellerbe and Wheeler still have upside and room to grow.

How can you argue that he is not concerned about the future when he jettisoned two established veterans for two younger, potentially better players?

soxfan121 · May 7, 2013

pdaj said:
Considering you didn't know that Brandon Gibson was in the fold as Miami's new slot receiver, I doubt you're aware of how the Dolphins' FO structured any of their new players' contracts.

This'll be my last post in this thread. I forgot about Gibson. If you've read any of my posts, you know I follow the cap and since I've specifically argued with you about contract details I can only assume that you do think I'm trolling and not trying to have a discussion where we're not just waving pom-poms. Sorry to clutter up your thread.

Clears Cleaver · May 8, 2013

We wn't know how good this offseason is for a year or more. And really it won't matter much if Tannehill is still the 26th rated QB in the league. The weapons he has now are better than what he had last year, so that should help. I think the consternation over the line may be overplayed. Is Martin elite? no, but either was Long. Clabo is servicable. The C and guards should be good. and they have more depth/flexibility on the line than ever before.

The defense? who knows. Could be elite, could be a mess given youth and lack of leadership. ITs definitely faster and younger than in past. not sure if that is meaningful. its built to play to the Pats, that's for sure

If Tannehill improves to top 15 in league, the Fish will be over .500 and contenders for the playoffs. Thing is, their schedule early is a lot harder on paper than it is later. and I think this team will be a lot better as season progresses. they have to survive that brutal early stretch, but if they do, watch out.

edit: this roster is a lot more of what Philbin wants as well. These next two years will speak volumes of him as a coach and his system

dwainw · May 8, 2013

Clears Cleaver said:
edit: this roster is a lot more of what Philbin wants as well. These next two years will speak volumes of him as a coach and his system

This in my humble opinion is why I think judgment can largely be reserved on Philbin and to an extent, Ireland, until next season plays out. Ireland spent the last couple of years setting the team up for this year's draft and the series of transactions that preceded it (as well as those that wind up succeeding it). Certainly cases can be made for or against each of the individual moves on their own merit, but both men were given license beyond what Ireland was given when he initially came to the front office to develop a plan for building the roster their way, and I think they've taken a systematic and defensible approach to that.

Is there a go-for-broke factor also driving Ireland now and are there still some important positional questions to be answered? Of course. But I think under the circumstances of jobs being at stake (for Ireand, at least), they have held the course remarkably well, with a good mixture of conviction and flexibility. Far more qualified people than me have and can continue to analyze the management of this team in the last 18 - 24 months, but I think it's quite reasonable to be more optimistic about the Dolphins competing for a playoff spot than any time in the Ireland era, and probably even the last decade.

And if I'm wrong--well then hell, they'll be moving to L.A. in no time anyway.

Clears Cleaver · May 9, 2013

LOL. I agree with your premise. the NFL is so QB driven that if Tannehill regresses, they will be blowing it up again in a year or two. If not, they are positioned to contend for the next several years

Super Nomario · May 24, 2013

pdaj said:
NFL.com's Gregg Rosenthal is a big fan of Tannehill, ranking him 7th among top QBs under the age of 25.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000205919/article/top-10-qbs-25-or-under-ryan-tannehill

7th among QBs under 25 sounds good, but it isn't really that impressive. There were 15 QBs under 25 who started at least 6 games last year, so 7th is really middle-of-the-pack.

Clears Cleaver · Jun 30, 2013

Vonta still hasn't signed, but not a big rush. He's waiting for Giants to raise their offer. I wonder if Fins interest is more for pass blocking than run blocking. Maybe means Miller still hasn't figured it out yet?

Hart line and others gushing on tannehill's improvement. I hope so.

dwainw · Jul 1, 2013

Barry Jackson threw out a few nuggets in his Sports Buzz column regarding Mike Wallace's ability to run short routes and his high YAC average on short catches--he led the league a couple years ago on yards per attempt for throws of 10 yards or less. Apparently the statistics and at least a few players and commentators support the idea that his short game is underrated.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2013/06/dolphins-chatter-salary-cap-wallace-ryan-visits-chad-more-from-riley-marlins.html

I'm very curious to see what Philbin and Sherman have in store for him, although I suspect we won't get to see much during the preseason.

sodenj5 · Jul 1, 2013

dwainw said:
Barry Jackson threw out a few nuggets in his Sports Buzz column regarding Mike Wallace's ability to run short routes and his high YAC average on short catches--he led the league a couple years ago on yards per attempt for throws of 10 yards or less. Apparently the statistics and at least a few players and commentators support the idea that his short game is underrated.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2013/06/dolphins-chatter-salary-cap-wallace-ryan-visits-chad-more-from-riley-marlins.html
I'm very curious to see what Philbin and Sherman have in store for him, although I suspect we won't get to see much during the preseason.

I always thought the notion of him as strictly a deep threat was misguided. There's plenty of film of him taking a slant or a drag route and turning it into a 50+ yard TD. While taking the top off the defense might be what he's best at, he's plenty good with the ball in his hands and in space. I believe Tomlin said he was a one trick pony in a press conference and that notion has sort of stuck.

dwainw · Jul 2, 2013

sodenj5 said:
I always thought the notion of him as strictly a deep threat was misguided. There's plenty of film of him taking a slant or a drag route and turning it into a 50+ yard TD. While taking the top off the defense might be what he's best at, he's plenty good with the ball in his hands and in space. I believe Tomlin said he was a one trick pony in a press conference and that notion has sort of stuck.

And yet, in that column, Bill Cowher is quoted pointing out that Pittsburgh regularly used him on quick screens. Curious as to why Tomlin would say that, unless it was real early in his Steelers career.

Anyway, I'm increasingly excited about the potential for creativity in this offense. There seemed to be a glimpse of it early last year with Bush as the primary back. Hopefully this year as they stretch the field they can take it to another level.

Clears Cleaver · Jul 3, 2013

i think that the Fins decided to make the big move at LB to help rush the passer and be faster in downfield coverage, things specifically targeted to stop the Pats. Now, the Pats might morph into a power running team in big spots.

If this team can just get through its first four games in good shape....

DJnVa · Jul 8, 2013

Ellerbe feeling good about the Dolphins: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9459212/dannell-ellerbe-miami-dolphins-feels-new-england-patriots-vulnerable

sodenj5 · Jul 17, 2013

Dolphins CEO Mike Dee will be leaving the team and taking up the position of President and CEO of the San Diego Padres.

Clears Cleaver · Jul 19, 2013

Dee was responsible for the business side of the Fish, so his tenure was basically a failure (season tickets, marketing, getting stadium funding, etc).

Training camp opens this weekend. The things to watch for (not in any order):
- Tannehill's progress and chemistry with Wallace, Keller, Gibson, etc
- Martin's performance at LT and who wins RG spot (hopefully not Jerry)
- where does Dion Jordan fit in?
- can Lamar Miller pass block well enough to be a three down back? (Vonta Leach is still out there, but Fish are waiting for now)
- with Grimes and Matthews locked in at starting CB, which of the rookies becomes the nickel guy?
- who starts opposite Clemons at safety?
- where does Odrick fit in?
- who becomes the leader on the defense?
- how will new defensive scheme work?

I'm sure I am misssing some things. remember the Fish play the Cowboys in the HoF game on august 4 (16 days from now!). PFN suggested the Dolphins were the 23rd best team in the league. I find that hard to believe, but if Tannehill doesn't improve, that may be right.

Clears Cleaver · Jul 20, 2013

LOL, yeah on reeshard, who is probably the second best player on the D. Clemons is fighting for the second spot. Richard Marshall is expected to start. I think with Patterson they keep him around as insurance in case he's best of bunch but still restructure. What's the point otherwise?

Omar Kelly insists that the two rookie CBs are not expected to start nor play much in the beginning. Basically that means that none of their first five guys are expected to start. strange for a 7-9 team.

sodenj5 · Jul 21, 2013

pdaj said:
The issue in keeping Patterson as just a safety precaution is that the 4.5 million he's owed this season could be rolled over and used next off-season if cut. The several players due significant pay raises and a number of players set to become FA, every dollar will count. I'm cool with keeping DP is he's going to consistently see the field. But that's a lot of money for backup. If he were cut today, how much would another team sign him for? 1 million tops, right?

In other news, per rotoworld:

That's two years in a row that Ireland got his top pick to agree to offset language in their contract. Tannehill for his foot, which turned out to be a total non-issue, and Jordan obviously for his shoulder. Good for Jordan recognizing he's already behind the 8 -Ball after missing OTAs and not holding out.

Looking forward to the start of camp. I'd like to see Taylor show up and push for the second corner position. Patterson is an expensive piece that could/should be cut.

Looking forward to hearing about Grimes v. Wallace all camp. Those two will make each other better.
Want to finally see Jordan and Taylor, our top two picks, see some action.
Need to get Reshad Jones locked up. Don't mess around.
Obviously want to see how all the new pieces on offense fit together. See if Armon Binns continues to show up.
Really want to see Lamar Miller look good. A lot is riding on that.
Really want to see Jonathan Martin not suck. Going up against Wake, Jordan, and Vernon should be a decent gage to his performance.

dwainw · Jul 21, 2013

Agreed on most of what's been written above, not just in terms of what to look for and what to hope for in camp this year, but also in terms of wrapping up contracts and hopefully, as one of you mentioned earlier, keeping mouths shut and quietly focusing on football. No distractions. No Chad Johnson/Hard Knocks-style B.S., no blustery/hornery head coach nonsense, not the mini-circuses of the Brandon Marshalls and Ricky Williams of recent years past. And please god, no arrests. Just shut up, play football.

I'm optimistically seeing this as a 10-6 team if Tannehill stays healthy and shows progress (knock on wood), but I'm an admittedly Dolphinscentric fan so I'm basing that more on what I see on paper on this squad and how it compares to last year as well as the rest of the AFC East than anything else. The Dolphins clearly look like the 2nd best team in the division and can finally start forcing the Patriots to look over their shoulder.

Did I mention the importance of Tannehill staying healthy and showing progress?

Clears Cleaver · Jul 31, 2013

So after roughly a week of camp, we have learned a couple things:
1) the o-line is a mess and the coaching staff is trying multiple combinations with guys playing two or three diferrent positions. Martin got abused in the scrimmage and practive by Wake, Vernon (much improved) and Dion Jordan. Dallas thomas has been very good. Caleb, Pouncey are only guys locked on the line right now (scary)
2) Tannehill has been better but not great
3) the rookie CBs are not threatening to start
4) Wallace and hartline haven't done much yet
5) wheeler and ellerbee are playmakers and will be bliztzing a lot more than what Fins fans are used to
6) carpenter is ahead in the kicking competition
7) Miller is the starting RB and gilles looks like a player
8) Keller has dropped half the passes thrown to him, but he's been open a ton. Sims will play as well
9) the defense has a chance to be a top-5 unit this year, especially if they can create more turnovers

HoF game this sunday night vs Dallas. whoo hoo!

mcaqua · Aug 1, 2013

Clears Cleaver said:
So after roughly a week of camp, we have learned a couple things:
1) the o-line is a mess and the coaching staff is trying multiple combinations with guys playing two or three diferrent positions. Martin got abused in the scrimmage and practive by Wake, Vernon (much improved) and Dion Jordan. Dallas thomas has been very good. Caleb, Pouncey are only guys locked on the line right now (scary)
2) Tannehill has been better but not great
3) the rookie CBs are not threatening to start
4) Wallace and hartline haven't done much yet
5) wheeler and ellerbee are playmakers and will be bliztzing a lot more than what Fins fans are used to
6) carpenter is ahead in the kicking competition
7) Miller is the starting RB and gilles looks like a player
8) Keller has dropped half the passes thrown to him, but he's been open a ton. Sims will play as well
9) the defense has a chance to be a top-5 unit this year, especially if they can create more turnovers

HoF game this sunday night vs Dallas. whoo hoo!

I expect the DL to be a devastating unit. Moving Odrick inside (to his natural position where he can utilize his quickness) and rotating him with the likes of Soliai, Starks and Randall will have a huge impact on the overall effectiveness of the interior line (especially in passing situations). In addition, the apparent growth of Vernon on the outside is a welcomed sight. I didn't think he had it in him to become an effective pass rusher at this level, but he appears to be proving me wrong. Couple that with the early reviews on Jordan and the blitzing ability of the two newly-acquired LBs (Ellerbe and Wheeler) and I think opposing OLs are going to have a nightmare of a time game-planning against this front seven.

mcaqua · Aug 1, 2013

Clears Cleaver said:
So after roughly a week of camp, we have learned a couple things:
1) the o-line is a mess and the coaching staff is trying multiple combinations with guys playing two or three diferrent positions. Martin got abused in the scrimmage and practive by Wake, Vernon (much improved) and Dion Jordan. Dallas thomas has been very good. Caleb, Pouncey are only guys locked on the line right now (scary)
2) Tannehill has been better but not great
3) the rookie CBs are not threatening to start
4) Wallace and hartline haven't done much yet
5) wheeler and ellerbee are playmakers and will be bliztzing a lot more than what Fins fans are used to
6) carpenter is ahead in the kicking competition
7) Miller is the starting RB and gilles looks like a player
8) Keller has dropped half the passes thrown to him, but he's been open a ton. Sims will play as well
9) the defense has a chance to be a top-5 unit this year, especially if they can create more turnovers

HoF game this sunday night vs Dallas. whoo hoo!

Josh Samuda appears to be making some noise early in camp. I wouldn't be surprised to see him starting Week 1 somewhere along the interior of the unit. He has a tremendous combination of quickness and power. Obviously there's more to being an effective lineman (see: Thomas, Donald) but its a great start.

Jonathan Martin has me worried. And the lack of any semblance of a Plan B at LT is even more concerning.

sodenj5 · Aug 2, 2013

The reports on the defense are really encouraging. The new LBs Wheeler and Ellerbe seem to come exactly as advertised. I agree that moving Odrick back inside is a big boost. Reports have been very positive on him.

The reports on Jordan and Vernon have me excited too. Everyone seems to think that Vernon is taking his game to the next level. Couple that with the fact that Jordan has looked every bit the #3 overall draft pick, and Miami is going to be a terror getting after the quarterback.

The reports on Will Davis have me really surprised. Everyone considered him to be a big reach when Ireland traded up to get him in the third. He's gotten his hands on a lot of balls, and more importantly, he's held on to a lot of them. Three INTs yesterday? Outstanding. He may not be a shutdown corner, but he's definitely shown he has a nose for the ball and can create turnovers, something sorely lacking in recent years.

Martin is a bit of a concern, but I won't be in a panic until after a few exhibition games. If he's still getting whipped by other teams, and not Miami's fleet of pass rushers, I'll be a bit more concerned.

Also, file me under not concerned about Keller or Wallace. People are complaining that Tannehill and Wallace haven't been hooking up deep and Keller has been dropping passes. These guys are proven vets and we're ten practices in. They'll be fine. Wallace and Tannehill are still developing chemistry. What's amazing is Tannehill has been somehow overthrowing Wallace on the deep routes. I didn't recall his arm strength being in the elite category when he was drafted, but he can definitely sling it.

Ready to see this team in action against someone else. Really hyped about the D, and I think the offense is going to be just fine.

Red PR · Aug 2, 2013

Cant wait for Sunday's game. Especially to see the defense. Any chance Miami picks up a decent backup LT when final cuts are made?

dwainw · Aug 2, 2013

While I think there still time for the "revamped" O-line to progress leading up to the regular season, the thing that makes me lose sleep is the ever-present threat of further injuries. If what they're doing right now is Plan B, it's a bit unsettling to think of what might happen if another lineman goes down. Speaking of, I don't think I've seen any reasonably specific estimates about Jerry's return--has anyone else here? Anyway, while I do look forward to watching preseason games, mostly they just stress me out.

As for the defense, will the Dolphins have to revive whatever validity there used to be in the antiquated adage "defense wins championships?" Or put differently, if the D lives up to its top 5 potential, does an average offense/QB get them into the playoffs?

SeoulSoxFan · Aug 2, 2013

pdaj said:
The only concern on the line right now, as mentioned, is Jonathan Martin; and it's a pretty big deal when you're LT is possibly your weakest OL. You know, the guy meant to protect the blind-side of your sophomore, franchise QB.

As a Pats fan, I'm ecstatic to hear that Martin has not improved since this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsKdrcorULA

Clears Cleaver · Aug 3, 2013

LO, there isn't a more self important writer than Omar Kelly. I follow him, chris perkins, armando, james walker, eyesofftheballs, darlington and most of the national guys.

game tomorrow night. no wallace, maybe tannehill for a series or two. not sure if jordan gonna play. probably best to watch the o-line and see who plays where at the CB/nickel spots. Romo not playing, he obviously heard about what Wake, Vernon and Jodan been doing in practice :q:

( . ) ( . ) and (_!_) · Aug 3, 2013

pdaj said:
Yeah, I have nightmares of this play on a continuous loop.

Well at least it wasn't a butt fumble.

dwainw · Aug 3, 2013

What, no one's interested in the fiercest and most intriguing positional battle on this year's team? It's the kickers. Dollars v. experience? My money's on the kid, although Carpenter has looked better in camp. Riveting stuff.

Clears Cleaver · Aug 3, 2013

So the starting O and D will be playing 2-3 series each, then 2-3 for the 2nds team, then rest will be guys fighting for the last 10 spots on the roster. No wallace, hartline, vernon and a couple others. Want to see the RBs, too. I think Gilleslee might turn out to be a nice player. and also if McNutt or someone can grab the 4th WR spot. sounds silly, but Philbin offenses get a lot of the 4th guys and TEs and H-backs

oh yeah, and Sturgis v Carpenter.

sodenj5 · Aug 4, 2013

dwainw said:
What, no one's interested in the fiercest and most intriguing positional battle on this year's team? It's the kickers. Dollars v. experience? My money's on the kid, although Carpenter has looked better in camp. Riveting stuff.

Now that Sturgis is back from his groin pull, I think Carpenter has to clearly be head and shoulders better than him to make the cut. As of now, it appears to be pretty even, which is bad news for Carpenter.

Want to get some eyes on Will Davis. After hearing the reports in camp, I want to see how he plays in an actual game. Also, really want to see Jordan on the field. See if he can beat someone besides Jonathan Martin.

Clears Cleaver · Aug 4, 2013

the kicker on this team is actually a big deal. with a good to great defense and an offense that will take some time to find itself, a bad kicker could cost this team a win or two easily

Clears Cleaver · Aug 4, 2013

Omg this first six minutes have been awful

Granite Sox · Aug 4, 2013

Tanny running for his life.

Unis could use some work as well. Hue is a little bluish, and the orange is basically gone. Helmut stripe not workin' for me. They look more like the Panthers than the old Dolphins.

sodenj5 · Aug 4, 2013

Not a great start. Martin looked like shit, and Miller lets the ball hit the deck on his first handoff.

On a positive note, Jordan looked good while he was out there.

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