I don't know if you can backdate a suspension though. I mean, A Rod already received those paychecks. I doubt they can backdate the suspension and then try to recoup the money.
If they can keep him off the field until a suspension is handed down, they can then claim that he was hurt all year and wouldn't have been able to play anyway, paving the way for a potential insurance claim. The insurance company probably won't buy this, but if ARod plays even one game they have no chance of collecting on a potential claim (assuming the contract is for missing an entire season and not part, or the majority, of one).Sampo Gida said:I am trying to understand the Yankees motive, they need offense desperately NOW.
Only thing I can come up with is perhaps MLB has an offer on the table that would backdate his suspension, perhaps to the ASB, and carry through to next year (all or part of it), and Arods playing now would take that off the table and be replaced by something else they deem not as attractive. Arod of course would be aware of what was on the table, does not want it, but can't talk about it for obvious reasons.
I heard a (partial) comment by Francesa that 8/1 is important because (if I heard/interpreted correctly) an insurance claim can then be submitted re ARod's missing 4 months of the season-maybe there is some time deductible for a player coming off majot surgery (my speculation). So whether holding out Arod until 8/1 is claim driven or DL protocol is open to debate.maufman said:Nah, the injury thing is a sideshow. It suggests to me that Selig plans to act in the next few weeks, and the MFY would prefer at that point that A*Rod be someone who isn't part of this year's club. The only way anything comes of it is if the stats A*Rod would've earned in 10-20 games over the next few weeks would put him over the top for some kind of contract incentive.
That was Francesa's question to ARod (he was on Francesa briefly around 5:45)Do you trust the Yankees? A-Rod: "I'd rather not get into that."
bankshot1 said:I heard a (partial) comment by Francesa that 8/1 is important because (if I heard/interpreted correctly) an insurance claim can then be submitted re ARod's missing 4 months of the season-maybe there is some time deductible for a player coming off majot surgery (my speculation). So whether holding out Arod until 8/1 is claim driven or DL protocol is open to debate.
bankshot1 said:I heard a (partial) comment by Francesa that 8/1 is important because (if I heard/interpreted correctly) an insurance claim can then be submitted re ARod's missing 4 months of the season-maybe there is some time deductible for a player coming off majot surgery (my speculation). So whether holding out Arod until 8/1 is claim driven or DL protocol is open to debate.
maufman said:Good point. Still a sideshow, but if A*Rod's shenanigans are messing with the MFY's ability to collect insurance, that would go a long way toward explaining the vitriol.
Red(s)HawksFan said:Dan Patrick, on his show today, was saying that a source told him that the Yankees need A-Rod to be unavailable for a full 12 months in order to claim 80% of this year's salary from insurance. The anniversary they're aiming for is one year from his last game played, which was last October. At this point, they're banking on keeping him off the field with an injury, real or not, until the suspension comes down.
That's what it seems, but as noted just above, if I had a policy claim for 80% of ARod's '13 salary, I may have a few questions to ask first. This thing is going to be fun to watch.At this point, they're banking on keeping him off the field with an injury, real or not, until the suspension comes down.
Sampo Gida said:I have heard 9 million thrown around, but maybe that's with an Aug 1 return (or 100 games, a number previously thrown around), don't know. However, I doubt the insurance company pays off in full at 80% since Arod is unlikely to cooperate, and insurance companies frown on insurance fraud. Hard to miss 2 months with a Grade 1 strain when the recovery time is usually 3-13 days.
Bob420 said:However, I am not sure
why Meche couldn't retire do to injury considering he needed surgery on
his shoulder that was already bothering him. Why couldn't he say he
retired due to the injury? Did he need to attempt a comeback and then
retire?
As a divorced father of three, he believed his children — ages 7, 5 and 3 — needed him more than his teammates did.
Meche told the Royals’ general manager, Dayton Moore, that he did not want any of the paycheck due him. No settlement, no buyout, no strings.
Red(s)HawksFan said:The point would be that the grade 1 strain is just a bridge to the impending suspension that will take A-Rod out for the remainder of the season. I don't think the implication is supposed to be that the quad will keep him out through October.
Sampo Gida said:I have heard 9 million thrown around, but maybe that's with an Aug 1 return (or 100 games, a number previously thrown around), don't know. However, I doubt the insurance company pays off in full at 80% since Arod is unlikely to cooperate, and insurance companies frown on insurance fraud. Hard to miss 2 months with a Grade 1 strain when the recovery time is usually 3-13 days.
Yeah this. As dumb as we'd all like to think the organization is, they aren't dumb enough to get into a pissing match with an insurance company and risk a fraud claim over what is chump change to them. I think their motivation is pretty simple- they don't want this asshole around their team. All of this conjecture is interesting but I think some people are over-thinking this. I hope I'm wrong though, because my guess is not nearly as interesting.NYCSox said:Unless their insurer is run by complete morons, they are going to fight tooth and nail to avoid a payout. There is way too much smoke here for them not to do so.
Edit: If some of the posts above me are true, there may even be grounds to claim insurance fraud.
Marbleheader said:If a player and an organization ever deserved each other, it's these two.
StuckOnYouk said:Truer words were never spoken. This is great drama. Thank you ARod. I'm a huge fan again..
Definitely this. I recall seeing an interview with Schilling somewhere after the '04 Series and he said that Boston would not have gone on to win the WS if A-Rod is a member of the Red Sox. I agreed with him then and still do. For all his talent, A-Rod was never a player I wanted on the Sox.Dionysus said:It's truly amazing how a few years (ok close to 10) changes your view.
There was a time when Sox fans were distraught over the collapse of the trade to acquire A-Rod and livid that it was the Yankees who got him.
Now, we are all supremely grateful that it isn't us dealing with all this.
Sampo Gida said:The insurance wont count the suspension time though unless the Yankees could prove his injury would have prevented him from playing while suspended. I think for insurance pay out purposes, any suspension Arod receives and its starting point is irrelevant.
AlNipper49 said:Dear lord, the only thing that will be better than this is if he comes back, proceeds to hit .215 and the accusations of tanking it hits the back page in absolute full swing.
Amen; so simple, yet so true.Marbleheader said:If a player and an organization ever deserved each other, it's these two.
Occam's razor. I do think both are simultaneously true. The Yankees have nothing to lose, financially or competitively (unless you think ARod can return to being a better than average 3rd baseman, or better than what they have been using there, without being a complete distraction: unlikely) by keeping him out as long as possible and then, depending on the situation and the specifics of the insurance policy, explore a potential claim.glennhoffmania said:Yeah this. As dumb as we'd all like to think the organization is, they aren't dumb enough to get into a pissing match with an insurance company and risk a fraud claim over what is chump change to them. I think their motivation is pretty simple- they don't want this asshole around their team. All of this conjecture is interesting but I think some people are over-thinking this. I hope I'm wrong though, because my guess is not nearly as interesting.
Dionysus said:It's truly amazing how a few years (ok close to 10) changes your view.
There was a time when Sox fans were distraught over the collapse of the trade to acquire A-Rod and livid that it was the Yankees who got him.
Now, we are all supremely grateful that it isn't us dealing with all this.
bankshot1 said:IMO the injury/playing issue, the suspension issue and the Ys contractual obligations to ARod are linked. Again my speculation: If they allow him to play and he plays and then gets suspended/banned and then he appeals, without getting re-injured, the potential insurance claim may no longer be collectible, or will be limited to an insignificant amount.
The best interests of the Yankees depends which interest you are looking at: on-field wins, potential insurance claims or potential avoidance of the rest of the contract. And some of these interests may be at odds with one another. Thats why I think they are linked.wade boggs chicken dinner said:I don't think this is correct. It is in the best interests of the MFYs to let ARoid play since if he doesn't make some attempt to play (as discussed above), it is very unlikely that the insurance claim will be approved.
Besides, I doubt the suspension is going to come down this year, so how are the MFYs going to keep ARoid out for the rest of the year?
I think the MFYs are just following protocol as strictly as they can because in these kind of situations, it's the best thing for them to do. I think there are way too many variables outside of the MFY's control for them to be trying to figure out whether or not they will have to pay ARoid this year, next year, or for the rest of his contract.
BigMike said:Well a few of us were smarter than that and saw him for who he was long before it became obvious to the rest of the world :q:
I remember Gammo going on and on about how ARod was such a great face of the franchise guy. Someone who would do all the handshaking and marketing work , and would be happy to represent the team in the community, etc.
wade boggs chicken dinner said:Besides, I doubt the suspension is going to come down this year, so how are the MFYs going to keep ARoid out for the rest of the year?
Amen.AlNipper49 said:Dear lord, the only thing that will be better than this is if he comes back, proceeds to hit .215 and the accusations of tanking it hits the back page in absolute full swing.
AlNipper49 said:Dear lord, the only thing that will be better than this is if he comes back, proceeds to hit .215 and the accusations of tanking it hits the back page in absolute full swing.
axx said:http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yankees/mlb_bans_in_ped_case_likely_to_drop_9vrYirxam2vt7mihs3UiKI
New York Post saying that A-Rod could be suspended through the end of the 2014 season.
IpswichSox said:Could he play in Japan or somewhere next year, just for reps even, without voiding his MLB contract? He can't spend the next season and a half doing soft toss.
soxhop411 said:If Alex Rodriguez refuses deal from MLB, Bud Selig is expected to pursue lifetime suspension
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/deal-a-rod-faces-historic-ban-article-1.1411133#ixzz2aNi3XF1e
Dont be an idiot a-rod
soxhop411 said:If Alex Rodriguez refuses deal from MLB, Bud Selig is expected to pursue lifetime suspension
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/deal-a-rod-faces-historic-ban-article-1.1411133#ixzz2aNi3XF1e
Dont be an idiot a-rod