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could some of that be playing in the tiny RF in the toilet?
Devil's advocate maybe, but like the left fielder at Fenway, the right fielder at Yankee Stadium probably generally plays shallow to be able to catch soft liners and line drives in front of him. Therefore, in both cases, it still probably isn't easy to get back to the respective walls on drives out to them.
 

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Could keep Dom around in the event that Casas (gasp) got reinjured?
How? Can't expect to stash him in the minors (he can refuse to go) and keeping him on the big league roster is an extremely inefficient use of a bench spot. Obviously things can happen over the next couple weeks to shake things up (guys can get hurt) but if Casas were returning today, the easiest and cleanest way to activate him would be to DFA Smith to open up the 40 and 26-man roster spot.
 

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Honestly the guy needs a hot streak to keep him a big leaguer. First basemen who cant hit anymore are the definition of fungible. He'll find himself in a Garret Cooper situation really fast if he doesn't start hitting.
 

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Smith isn’t any good, he’s a below replacement player. He’s had a couple nice moments but the less he plays, the better, and if Casas isn’t back for a while, it seems like a place to upgrade.
 

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Brandon Drury would be a great buy-low candidate. He’s a free agent at the end of the year and has been bad - but hasn’t played much due to injuries earlier in the year.
He’s right-handed, plays a good second base and just a year ago would have been a perfect match for the Sox’s needs. Can’t imagine he’d cost much as it’s likely the Angels would be happy to get a bag of balls from any team willing to pick up his salary.
 

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Brandon Drury would be a great buy-low candidate. He’s a free agent at the end of the year and has been bad - but hasn’t played much due to injuries earlier in the year.
He’s right-handed, plays a good second base and just a year ago would have been a perfect match for the Sox’s needs. Can’t imagine he’d cost much as it’s likely the Angels would be happy to get a bag of balls from any team willing to pick up his salary.
What does Drury do that Romy does not?
 

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What does Drury do that Romy does not?
Pretty sure Romy didn’t hit 26 homers in the majors last year. I like Romy, but the idea that he’s better or equivalent to a guy like Drury because of 60 good ABs is ridiculous. Drury was a stud last year - and a bad 120 ABs doesn’t make him worse than a 27 year old who has been a career minor leaguer.
 

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It's obviously a small sample, but Romy has been fantastic in limited big league time this year. He's cut his K rate in half, he's hitting the ball hard, and usually on a line. I just don't see the need to start Meidroth's clock or promote Sogard when Romy is doing what he's doing AND providing very good defense all over the diamond.

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As for the bullpen... Booser, Slaten, Kelly, Bernardino, Weissert, Jansen... all these guys have been at least good and many of them have been fantastic. And we have Liam Hendriks already throwing bullpens. He should be back soon.

If they're going to upgrade, they should be looking to cash in some prospects and aiming high for someone who can be a franchise player, not playing around the margins by promoting minor leaguers or adding relievers, IMO.
Sogard wouldn't be replacing Romy or Smith, he'd be replacing Valdez, who has hit better lately but his defense seems beyond repair. He can be optioned back down to AAA.
Sogard is a better fielder, covers more positions, is faster, and is a switch hitter. Despite his better hitting lately, Valdez is still hitting .224/.277/.404 for the season. That's horrible for a bat-first guy who can't field or run.
 

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Pretty sure Romy didn’t hit 26 homers in the majors last year. I like Romy, but the idea that he’s better or equivalent to a guy like Drury because of 60 good ABs is ridiculous. Drury was a stud last year - and a bad 120 ABs doesn’t make him worse than a 27 year old who has been a career minor leaguer.
You want Brandon Drury to replace the guy who's made us happy that we didn't get Brandon Drury in the off season?
 

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Pretty sure Romy didn’t hit 26 homers in the majors last year. I like Romy, but the idea that he’s better or equivalent to a guy like Drury because of 60 good ABs is ridiculous. Drury was a stud last year - and a bad 120 ABs doesn’t make him worse than a 27 year old who has been a career minor leaguer.
Are the Angels paying all of Drury's salary in this deal? Because despite Drury hitting those HRs last year, he's been atrocious this year with a price tag of $8.5M. Meanwhile Romy has been more than serviceable playing multiple positions and he's getting the league minimum. Certainly looks like a downgrade in the short term in the hopes that Drury can get healthy and regain his 2023 form. So why do it?
 

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And why are we looking for a bad 2nd baseman?
Didn’t realize a bad 120 ABs means a guy is now a bad player. Drury had 2.7 fWAR just last year and 3.2 fWAR the year before. You have to go back to Pedroia’s 2016 season to find the last time a Red Sox second baseman had that good a season.
You want Brandon Drury to replace the guy who's made us happy that we didn't get Brandon Drury in the off season?
You don’t think this team can find ABs for a good fielding, right-handed power bat who can play anywhere in the IF and in the OF corners? Drury isn’t going to require much to acquire. The goal would be to throw him in the mix and see how he does.
 

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Are the Angels paying all of Drury's salary in this deal? Because despite Drury hitting those HRs last year, he's been atrocious this year with a price tag of $8.5M. Meanwhile Romy has been more than serviceable playing multiple positions and he's getting the league minimum. Certainly looks like a downgrade in the short term in the hopes that Drury can get healthy and regain his 2023 form. So why do it?
I would hope half of that salary wouldn’t be beyond the means of this ownership. And please, man, Romy has had 62 good ABs this season but he’s 27 years old and has a .639 career OPS in the majors. I think we all understand the risk of wish casting on small sample sizes.
 
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Brandon Drury would be a great buy-low candidate. He’s a free agent at the end of the year and has been bad - but hasn’t played much due to injuries earlier in the year.
He’s right-handed, plays a good second base and just a year ago would have been a perfect match for the Sox’s needs. Can’t imagine he’d cost much as it’s likely the Angels would be happy to get a bag of balls from any team willing to pick up his salary.
Figured it might be a good place to kick off a thread to dump stuff like this? Not a thread for proposals but for rumors, poorly sourced “insider information” that always starts popping up around now…
View: https://youtu.be/umknhpiCoWw?si=n-or50wy09s6njbf


It looks AI generated and I barely could watch it but I’m guessing there’s likely something legitimate here.
 

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I would hope half of that salary wouldn’t be beyond the means of this ownership. And please, man, Romy has had 62 good ABs this season but he’s 27 years old and has a .639 career OPS in the majors. I think we all understand the risk of wish casting on small sample sizes.
They weren’t willing to take on any more payroll at the beginning of the year, what would make us think they would take on money now?
 

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They weren’t willing to take on any more payroll at the beginning of the year, what would make us think they would take on money now?
Particularly when there are areas -- starters, relief -- proving to be of greater need
 

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Particularly when there are areas -- starters, relief -- proving to be of greater need
I think a right handed hitter with power and positional flexibility is a pretty huge need.
I know Romy having the first, good 60 at bats of his career may have convinced people otherwise - but I think that’s a bit silly.
Also, a Drury trade would cost little to nothing in minor league talent. I don’t think there is a potential fix to the Sox’s starting pitching woes that would be similarly painless.
 

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We need relievers. Weissert has been awful lately, Campbell is possibly a lost cause, Martin is gone for who knows how long, the bulk role could be upgraded from Anderson.

Relief options from likely trade partners, ranked by Pitching+:

Yimi Garcia (TOR), 33, FA 2025, 112 Pitching+. Currently on the IL with elbow trouble but scheduled to appear this evening in AAA.

David Bednar (PIT), 29, FA 2027, 111 Pitching+. Also on the IL after oblique trouble, scheduled to resume mound work soon. Traditional metrics are down to bad this year after three straight years of excellence but stuff+ numbers are up, and it's not a velocity issue.

Michael Kopech (CWS), 28, FA 2026, 110 Pitching+. Also mediocre traditional stats and a huge walk rate, which is weird cause his Location+ numbers are excellent (except his change up which is terrible). Has a home run problem.

Tyson Miller (CHC), 28, FA 2030, 110 Pitching+. Good ERA undercut by very low BABIP maybe, not a long track record but the years of control probably make him more expensive than is worth it.

Hunter Strickland (LAA), 35, FA 2025, 109 Pitching+. Solid middle relief option having a good year. Innings may be a question as he's already around 40 and he's never gone much above 60, and that's after missing almost all of last year.
 

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They weren’t willing to take on any more payroll at the beginning of the year, what would make us think they would take on money now?
The team has shown (today excepted) an ability to overcome a ton of injuries and win games. The team looks like a true contender and not mediocre team especially if a a couple of additions were permitted.
 
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Look, Drury had a couple of good seasons there, @kazuneko, but he's been a tremendously up and down player for his career. Is it possible he finds some of the magic from last year? Sure, but I'd bet against it, because he's been down with hamstring injuries twice this season. I have to assume it's sapped his power, and consider the risk he might not get it back until he's had a healthy offseason against the possibility it pays off.

And after our experiences with second baseman struggling with hamstring injuries (Urias, Grissom), why would we add another guy to that mix who is a DFA candidate right now, literally giving LAA a sub-500 OPS? I get that these are small sample sizes we're dealing with, but the guy has been worth just 6 fWAR/ 3 bWAR in 10 years in baseball.

Valdez has been a struggle defensively, but people are right when they point out he's been crushing the ball for the better part of a month and a half. I would rather he be in the lineup than Drury by a longshot right now.

And yeah, Romy has been good in a small sample size. But the whole point is it hasn't been lucky: he's roping the ball all over the place, making good swing decisions, walking a solid amount, and gives them tremendous positional versatility. He's not hitting dribblers all over the place.

Could he revert? Sure. But I'd rather wait this month out and see if that happens, because him and Valdez have been giving them really good production for a month now. And if things head south, if we want to try add someone, add someone way better than Drury. The risk, after all, is that Drury sucks out loud for 150 PA and sets us back when we're getting better production right now.

But if you want to look at a guy who took a while to break out, you don't have to look further than Drury. One average season as a hitter when he was 23, and he didnt break out till he was 28. So I'm not sure the "Romy is 27" arguments holds water.
 

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The team has shown (today excepted) an ability to overcome a ton of injuries and win games. The team looks like a true contender and not mediocre team especially if a a couple of additions were permitted.
I completely agree. I would invest in these guys. I just don’t trust the venture capital bros that they brought in a couple of years ago to feel the same way.
 

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Looking at the team splits for the season, it's very easy to see that 2B has been the weak link in the lineup. OPS & OPS+ by position (not including today):

C - .760, 127
1B - .689, 90
2B - .519, 54
3B - .793, 124
SS - .769, 111
LF - .877, 145
CF - .665, 94
RF - .863, 138
DH - .731, 98

A lot of that weakness from 2B was Valdez's terrible start, Grissom never getting it going, and the other flotsam they ran out there. However, since returning from the minors, Valdez has posted a .965 OPS while starting 18 of 28 games. If he continues in that vein, obviously not at .965 but perhaps keeping it above .750, that's a decent strong side of a platoon at the very least. Essentially, that spot isn't as desperately in need of an upgrade as the overall numbers would suggest.

Not that I want to argue that they shouldn't explore upgrades. But they should be shopping for more reliable upgrades, specifically getting guys who are already performing well this season rather than dipping back into the "he's having an off year maybe he'll come around with a fresh start" waters like they did last year (Urias, who at least had remaining years of control if he did work out).
 

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We need relievers. Weissert has been awful lately, Campbell is possibly a lost cause, Martin is gone for who knows how long, the bulk role could be upgraded from Anderson.

Relief options from likely trade partners, ranked by Pitching+:

Yimi Garcia (TOR), 33, FA 2025, 112 Pitching+. Currently on the IL with elbow trouble but scheduled to appear this evening in AAA.

David Bednar (PIT), 29, FA 2027, 111 Pitching+. Also on the IL after oblique trouble, scheduled to resume mound work soon. Traditional metrics are down to bad this year after three straight years of excellence but stuff+ numbers are up, and it's not a velocity issue.

Michael Kopech (CWS), 28, FA 2026, 110 Pitching+. Also mediocre traditional stats and a huge walk rate, which is weird cause his Location+ numbers are excellent (except his change up which is terrible). Has a home run problem.

Tyson Miller (CHC), 28, FA 2030, 110 Pitching+. Good ERA undercut by very low BABIP maybe, not a long track record but the years of control probably make him more expensive than is worth it.

Hunter Strickland (LAA), 35, FA 2025, 109 Pitching+. Solid middle relief option having a good year. Innings may be a question as he's already around 40 and he's never gone much above 60, and that's after missing almost all of last year.
In theory, an added benefit of trading for an SP is that you can use Winkowski or Criswell in a bullpen role to replace innings that would otherwise go to Weissert and/or Anderson. In theory, of course. Not that it wouldn’t be a bad idea to get more pen depth on top of that!
 

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In theory, an added benefit of trading for an SP is that you can use Winkowski or Criswell in a bullpen role to replace innings that would otherwise go to Weissert and/or Anderson. In theory, of course. Not that it wouldn’t be a bad idea to get more pen depth on top of that!
Definitely. I'd like to see them flat out upgrade Anderson and Horn's spots AND be able to push Weissert to Worcester even for just a little while. Weissert made 55 appearances (60 IP) between the minors and majors last year, and he's at 38 (38 IP) this year, including today. Already at 70% of the workload from last year and barely 50% of the way through the season. He might just be overworked, causing the downturn in his production of late.
 

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I think they need both a starter and reliever. Even if you add an established starter you're still getting into uncharted territory with innings counts from Houck/Crawford/Wink/Criswell.
 

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Didn’t realize a bad 120 ABs means a guy is now a bad player. Drury had 2.7 fWAR just last year and 3.2 fWAR the year before. You have to go back to Pedroia’s 2016 season to find the last time a Red Sox second baseman had that good a season.

You don’t think this team can find ABs for a good fielding, right-handed power bat who can play anywhere in the IF and in the OF corners? Drury isn’t going to require much to acquire. The goal would be to throw him in the mix and see how he does.
Honest question/zero snark intended: is there anything you've seen or heard about Drury's season that makes you think there's a bounce back due? That statcast stuff looks rough.
 

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Look, Drury had a couple of good seasons there, @kazuneko, but he's been a tremendously up and down player for his career. Is it possible he finds some of the magic from last year? Sure, but I'd bet against it, because he's been down with hamstring injuries twice this season. I have to assume it's sapped his power, and consider the risk he might not get it back until he's had a healthy offseason against the possibility it pays off.
And after our experiences with second baseman struggling with hamstring injuries (Urias, Grissom), why would we add another guy to that mix who is a DFA candidate right now, literally giving LAA a sub-500 OPS? I get that these are small sample sizes we're dealing with, but the guy has been worth just 6 fWAR/ 3 bWAR in 10 years in baseball.
I agree that the hamstring issues may be a concern- just not seeing that as overly worrisome for an incredibly low-risk trade. After all, I'm not advocating giving up much of anything for Drury - only suggesting that he might be worth giving a look. Not sure what you mean about the "magic from last year" as that implies he wasn't good before that. Actually, his best season was 2022 when he had a 3.2 fWAR. I also think it's a it deceptive to point out that he's been worth "just 6 fWAR" for his 10 year career when I'm sure you realize that he's been worth 5.9 fWAR for the last 2 seasons. So yes, prior to 2022 he was never that great but that doesn't discount the fact that he's had nearly 1100 plate appearances of being significant above average for the last 2 years.
Valdez has been a struggle defensively, but people are right when they point out he's been crushing the ball for the better part of a month and a half. I would rather he be in the lineup than Drury by a longshot right now. And yeah, Romy has been good in a small sample size. But the whole point is it hasn't been lucky: he's roping the ball all over the place, making good swing decisions, walking a solid amount, and gives them tremendous positional versatility. He's not hitting dribblers all over the place.
Could he revert? Sure. But I'd rather wait this month out and see if that happens, because him and Valdez have been giving them really good production for a month now. And if things head south, if we want to try add someone, add someone way better than Drury.
The trade deadline is the end of the month. I don't think anyone is suggesting that we don't wait the month out before making a decision. By that point, maybe Romy can get another 62 ABs.
The risk, after all, is that Drury sucks out loud for 150 PA and sets us back when we're getting better production right now.
That's really not much of a risk for a guy that wouldn't cost anything to get. They wouldn't be committed to keeping him for the rest of the season just because they agreed to pick up some of his salary (which I'm guessing would be the cost).
But if you want to look at a guy who took a while to break out, you don't have to look further than Drury. One average season as a hitter when he was 23, and he didn't break out till he was 28. So I'm not sure the "Romy is 27" arguments holds water.
So yeah, what Drury did is rare, and that's even for a guy that was a viable major leaguer in his age 23 and 24 seasons (as Drury was). It's even more rare for a guy to do at 27 who has shown nothing at the major league level before that point. But I'm not bashing Romy. He's been fun to watch. I'm just not buying the whole "our RH hitter problem is now solved because a random 27 year-old has had 62 good at bats" take. Obviously, we have a few more weeks until the deadline so we'll see how Romy and the rest of the IF is doing at that time.
 
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This may be silly, but I recall that Rich Hill had said he may be interested in playing once his son’s baseball season wrapped up. I know he’s old and had a meh year last year, but could he be helpful either as a reliever or a starter?
 

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I can't imagine he could ramp up quick enough to be the best option even if he was capable of recapturing the magic yet again (big if).
 

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Looking at the team splits for the season, it's very easy to see that 2B has been the weak link in the lineup. OPS & OPS+ by position (not including today):

C - .760, 127
1B - .689, 90
2B - .519, 54
3B - .793, 124
SS - .769, 111
LF - .877, 145
CF - .665, 94
RF - .863, 138
DH - .731, 98

A lot of that weakness from 2B was Valdez's terrible start, Grissom never getting it going, and the other flotsam they ran out there. However, since returning from the minors, Valdez has posted a .965 OPS while starting 18 of 28 games. If he continues in that vein, obviously not at .965 but perhaps keeping it above .750, that's a decent strong side of a platoon at the very least. Essentially, that spot isn't as desperately in need of an upgrade as the overall numbers would suggest.

Not that I want to argue that they shouldn't explore upgrades. But they should be shopping for more reliable upgrades, specifically getting guys who are already performing well this season rather than dipping back into the "he's having an off year maybe he'll come around with a fresh start" waters like they did last year (Urias, who at least had remaining years of control if he did work out).
Casas is going to give us a nice bump at first when he comes back, too.

This team is shaping up as one of those not-quite-ready-for-prime-time teams that nobody wants to play in the post season. Excellent offense, excellent bullpen, especially if Bello remembers how to be good.
 

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Caleb Ort fits that description. I just want someone else who can get outs if Campbell isn't that guy and Martin is hurt. Kelly has been a really nice surprise. I'd like someone else like him.
Casas is going to give us a nice bump at first when he comes back, too.

This team is shaping up as one of those not-quite-ready-for-prime-time teams that nobody wants to play in the post season. Excellent offense, excellent bullpen, especially if Bello remembers how to be good.
last outing looked somid
 

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I think they need both a starter and reliever. Even if you add an established starter you're still getting into uncharted territory with innings counts from Houck/Crawford/Wink/Criswell.
I think this is what I would try to do. As I said in the game thread, I would be trying to match up with the Cubs, dealing from our position player prospect surplus to try to get some of their pitching. They have a good but pitching heavy farm system, so I think we match up really well, and Breslow obviously knows their system really well.

Something like:

IF Yoeilin Cespedes (or Bleis or Zanatello... Cubs' choice of a young, high-ceiling guy).
OF Matthew Lugo (or Nick Yorke... Cubs' choice of a near-ready guy who needs to be 40-manned this winter).
1B/3B Bobby Dalbec (change of scenery/roster math — not a meaningful part of the package).

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SP Jameson Taillon (who is pitching like a 3/4 starter and under contract at $18m per through 2026; he was pretty bad last year, and my sense is that the expensive-but-bad Cubs want out from under some of the recent FA deals they've given).
RP Luke Little (6'8" rookie LH reliever who has an awful lot of red on his baseballsavant page).
SP Brandon Birdsell (24 year-old in AA).
Maybe another young pitcher, depending on which prospects the Cubs chose.
IF/OF Patrick Wisdom (who is like if Bobby Dalbec were five years older, rogueishly handsome instead of boyishly cute, and only struck out 30% of the time; he's in the midst of a slump, but he's a decent RH power bat so long as he never ever faces a RHP; and like Dalbec, he's not a big part of the value picture for this trade).

Obviously the point is that Breslow picks the young pitchers he likes best from the Cubs system — Little and Birdsell were just my guesses as to the most attractive options who wouldn't obviously be untouchable.

But this is one-stop shopping. We get Taillon as a veteran SP who we can count on to eat some innings down the stretch, Little joins the bullpen, and Wisdom takes Valdez' roster spot by taking over some of Romy's responsibilities. He's our RH bench 1B/3B/DH now.

Taillon also gives us insurance if the Pivetta bidding gets out of hand, or he'd be a pretty decent trade asset in the offseason if we want to dump his money.
 

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Wingenter, 30, was / is oft-injured. He didn't pitch at all in 2020, 2021 (barely), and 2022. He's got a nice fastball and slider combo that would develop ridiculously well in older versions of OOTP. He has an option. Probably goes to Triple-A... don't see anything in his numbers this year that make me think he's anything but a body since depth is getting exposed by the recent rash of injuries.

Weins was drafted last year in the sixth round and received just $50,000 as an underslot signee. Maybe @JM3 knows something.
 

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Looking at the team splits for the season, it's very easy to see that 2B has been the weak link in the lineup.
It hasn't been stellar defensively either. A return to form from Grissom would be most welcome but an upgrade on both sides of the ball at 2B would do a lot for this team.
 

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I think this is what I would try to do. As I said in the game thread, I would be trying to match up with the Cubs, dealing from our position player prospect surplus to try to get some of their pitching. They have a good but pitching heavy farm system, so I think we match up really well, and Breslow obviously knows their system really well.

Something like:

IF Yoeilin Cespedes (or Bleis or Zanatello... Cubs' choice of a young, high-ceiling guy).
OF Matthew Lugo (or Nick Yorke... Cubs' choice of a near-ready guy who needs to be 40-manned this winter).
1B/3B Bobby Dalbec (change of scenery/roster math — not a meaningful part of the package).

for

SP Jameson Taillon (who is pitching like a 3/4 starter and under contract at $18m per through 2026; he was pretty bad last year, and my sense is that the expensive-but-bad Cubs want out from under some of the recent FA deals they've given).
RP Luke Little (6'8" rookie LH reliever who has an awful lot of red on his baseballsavant page).
SP Brandon Birdsell (24 year-old in AA).
Maybe another young pitcher, depending on which prospects the Cubs chose.
IF/OF Patrick Wisdom (who is like if Bobby Dalbec were five years older, rogueishly handsome instead of boyishly cute, and only struck out 30% of the time; he's in the midst of a slump, but he's a decent RH power bat so long as he never ever faces a RHP; and like Dalbec, he's not a big part of the value picture for this trade).

Obviously the point is that Breslow picks the young pitchers he likes best from the Cubs system — Little and Birdsell were just my guesses as to the most attractive options who wouldn't obviously be untouchable.

But this is one-stop shopping. We get Taillon as a veteran SP who we can count on to eat some innings down the stretch, Little joins the bullpen, and Wisdom takes Valdez' roster spot by taking over some of Romy's responsibilities. He's our RH bench 1B/3B/DH now.

Taillon also gives us insurance if the Pivetta bidding gets out of hand, or he'd be a pretty decent trade asset in the offseason if we want to dump his money.
This is interesting. I think it could hurt. I see Yoelin Cespedes (or Bleis or Zanetello) as having the highest upside of that group.

Taillon is useful and we know Breslow must like him pretty well, but I'd be a little worried about him going forward (and in the AL East again). That zone contact rate is very high and he doesn't have much swing and miss stuff anymore. I haven't watched him this year, but on the surface his numbers remind me a little bit of what we have in Criswell this year, but as a flyball pitcher.

I'd guess that the aggregate of any potential deadline deals have more 2025 40-man candidates shipping out than coming in. This scenario adds three guys to the 40-man (Taillon, Little, and Wisdom, a DFA candidate nonetheless controlled through 2026) and subtracts two (Lugo and Dalbec, who might not make next year's 40-man roster anyway).

I think I'd be willing to take a shot on Tyler Anderson's smoke and mirrors act. His fastball ride (IVB) is elite, top 5 in baseball (along with Pivetta and Crawford), which makes me think he'd be able to keep beating his metrics. Of course he also gives us 2025 insurance, and could be dealt again.

Another guy quietly having an excellent year is John Brebbia of the White Sox. He's sure to be dealt (has a $6M 2025 mutual option). The combination of his terrible team and hitters park seems like it's masking how good he's been, with a 25:2 K/BB rate and a 2.00 xFIP away from Chicago.

Bailey should know both these guys fairly well. He was with Brebbia in San Francisco from 2021-23 and with Tyler Anderson in 2020.
 

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Not really a rumor tied to the Sox, but there are questions about whether Texas will deal some of their starting pitching or hang on to it hoping to make a second half run. If they become sellers, I'd love to see Eovaldi back. He'd cost the balance of his 2024 salary, which is $16m, and then there's a vesting option which makes his 2025 contract $20m. Still highly effective (3.10 era, 1.03 whip, 8.8 k/9 in 87.0 innings this year), and at 34, not someone you really center the rotation around. But he'd help this and next year and then they could once again move on from him if they desire. So very little long-term cost.

What would Texas possibly want? Probably a pretty decent haul, given his effectiveness and his championship pedigree (2x all star, 2x WS champ). But man, he'd be a perfect fit for this team this and next year, and not too crazy a price.
 

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I think this is what I would try to do. As I said in the game thread, I would be trying to match up with the Cubs, dealing from our position player prospect surplus to try to get some of their pitching. They have a good but pitching heavy farm system, so I think we match up really well, and Breslow obviously knows their system really well.

Something like:

IF Yoeilin Cespedes (or Bleis or Zanatello... Cubs' choice of a young, high-ceiling guy).
OF Matthew Lugo (or Nick Yorke... Cubs' choice of a near-ready guy who needs to be 40-manned this winter).
1B/3B Bobby Dalbec (change of scenery/roster math — not a meaningful part of the package).

for

SP Jameson Taillon (who is pitching like a 3/4 starter and under contract at $18m per through 2026; he was pretty bad last year, and my sense is that the expensive-but-bad Cubs want out from under some of the recent FA deals they've given).
RP Luke Little (6'8" rookie LH reliever who has an awful lot of red on his baseballsavant page).
SP Brandon Birdsell (24 year-old in AA).
Maybe another young pitcher, depending on which prospects the Cubs chose.
IF/OF Patrick Wisdom (who is like if Bobby Dalbec were five years older, rogueishly handsome instead of boyishly cute, and only struck out 30% of the time; he's in the midst of a slump, but he's a decent RH power bat so long as he never ever faces a RHP; and like Dalbec, he's not a big part of the value picture for this trade).

Obviously the point is that Breslow picks the young pitchers he likes best from the Cubs system — Little and Birdsell were just my guesses as to the most attractive options who wouldn't obviously be untouchable.

But this is one-stop shopping. We get Taillon as a veteran SP who we can count on to eat some innings down the stretch, Little joins the bullpen, and Wisdom takes Valdez' roster spot by taking over some of Romy's responsibilities. He's our RH bench 1B/3B/DH now.

Taillon also gives us insurance if the Pivetta bidding gets out of hand, or he'd be a pretty decent trade asset in the offseason if we want to dump his money.

As someone that wanted Taillon when he signed with the Cubs and advocated trading for him over the off-season, I strongly endorse this idea.

One quick note on Taillon, while he wasn't good last year, that was largely a function of his first half - he pitched 15 games with a 6.15 ERA. In the second half he pitched 15 games with a 3.70 ERA. Right in line with his career norms. He's out performing his FIP by a good bit right now, but that sits at 3.80 (which sits in line with his career FIP of 3.92). He's not an ace by any means, but I don't see any real reason to think he WOULDN'T be the 3.92 ERA (and exact matching - how often does one see that - 3.92 career FIP) in Boston. Even if one were to add call it 1/3 of a run because of Fenway Park, 15 starts of 4.25ERA baseball (added to his career average - not the unsustainable 2.80ERA he has this year) would be really helpful for a team needing to manage the innings of Houck, Crawford and Bello.

He's under contract at a pretty reasonable $18m per season for the next two years, and would slot in really nicely in that 3/4 range if one assumes Pivetta is gone after this year. Cespedes and Yorke for Taillon seems about right too, just on the face of it, and I also would assume that Cespedes is more highly regarded at this point than Bleis, but who knows on that.
 

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The Athletic lists the Nationals as sellers: "In addition to entertaining trade offers for two players on expiring contracts, outfielder Jesse Winker and reliever Dylan Floro, Rizzo is open to moving others who have only one additional year of club control remaining — outfielder Lane Thomas and relievers Kyle Finnegan and Hunter Harvey. (Another potential free agent, righty Trevor Williams, is on the injured list with a right flexor muscle strain.)"

I"m not seeing any of those names as being great fits for the Sox. Also interesting that the Rays have NYY, CLE before the All-Star break followed by NYY then TOR. Lots of interesting names in Tampa if they decide to sell.

EDIT to add that Lane Thomas has put up .338/.407/.563 against lefties and appears to be a good baserunner, so there could be some universe where he is a replacement for ONeill if the latter gets traded. Thomas is 28, in his final year of arbitration next year, and is making $5.45 million this year. His stats have dropped off significantly since last year when he hit 28 home runs and had a SLUG% of .468.
 
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I think this is what I would try to do. As I said in the game thread, I would be trying to match up with the Cubs, dealing from our position player prospect surplus to try to get some of their pitching. They have a good but pitching heavy farm system, so I think we match up really well, and Breslow obviously knows their system really well.

Something like:

IF Yoeilin Cespedes (or Bleis or Zanatello... Cubs' choice of a young, high-ceiling guy).
OF Matthew Lugo (or Nick Yorke... Cubs' choice of a near-ready guy who needs to be 40-manned this winter).
1B/3B Bobby Dalbec (change of scenery/roster math — not a meaningful part of the package).

for

SP Jameson Taillon (who is pitching like a 3/4 starter and under contract at $18m per through 2026; he was pretty bad last year, and my sense is that the expensive-but-bad Cubs want out from under some of the recent FA deals they've given).
RP Luke Little (6'8" rookie LH reliever who has an awful lot of red on his baseballsavant page).
SP Brandon Birdsell (24 year-old in AA).
Maybe another young pitcher, depending on which prospects the Cubs chose.
IF/OF Patrick Wisdom (who is like if Bobby Dalbec were five years older, rogueishly handsome instead of boyishly cute, and only struck out 30% of the time; he's in the midst of a slump, but he's a decent RH power bat so long as he never ever faces a RHP; and like Dalbec, he's not a big part of the value picture for this trade).

Obviously the point is that Breslow picks the young pitchers he likes best from the Cubs system — Little and Birdsell were just my guesses as to the most attractive options who wouldn't obviously be untouchable.

But this is one-stop shopping. We get Taillon as a veteran SP who we can count on to eat some innings down the stretch, Little joins the bullpen, and Wisdom takes Valdez' roster spot by taking over some of Romy's responsibilities. He's our RH bench 1B/3B/DH now.

Taillon also gives us insurance if the Pivetta bidding gets out of hand, or he'd be a pretty decent trade asset in the offseason if we want to dump his money.
A thoughtful post. Hard, hard, hard pass on trading Bleis, however. The Sox are not yet in GFIN mode and that's the only way you give up a prospect of his caliber--regardless of his distance from the majors and the flame-out risk. Legitimate all star ceiling as a center fielder. He is a different caliber prospect than Cespedes or Zanatello.