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There's a bit of irony in that we're talking about bringing in Paxton to eat some innings when a big part of the argument against bringing him back last winter was that he couldn't be counted on to give them a ton of innings. He's one good start (6.2) away from matching his innings total from last year. I think he's probably good to go 140-150 innings in total for the year, barring injury of course, so I don't really doubt he can eat innings. My hesitation with bringing him in now is he'd be the sixth best starter on the roster. I'd prefer to see them bring in someone with better numbers than Criswell if they're going to bump Criswell to the pen.
As someone that had literally zero interest in Paxton this off-season the calculus has changed a good bit, no.

I had no desire for Paxton because:

Reason 1 - was that he'd have taken the spot away from someone else (he signed before Giolito or Whitlock got hurt, so that would have meant with Paxton you were looking at having a rotation of Giolito, Paxton, Bello, Pivetta, and forcing at least one of Crawford or Houck to the 'pen or two of them if Whitlock was going to be bound and determined to try as a SP again).

Reason 2 - For better or worse I believe the reporting out there about $225m being the "budget" the Sox have to start a year, and Paxton would have brought them over that. I didn't think allocating $11m (or $7m after the revised contract) was a good use of that, and now you're talking about more like $1.5m.

Reason 3 - I didn't think he was a good bet to be both healthy and good (because he hasn't been since 2019). I still don't think he's all that good of a bet to be both healthy and good - but he's probably a little bit better of a bet to be good than Patrick Corbin and you're hoping he can stay healthy for call it 7 starts instead of a full season.

Reason 4 - I do believe in trade deadline mindset mattering to players because they're human beings - and enough of them have talked about it that if THEY think it's real, then it's real, so to speak. Paxton is a credible MLB arm. Would I like someone better, younger and more durable - of course. But if the choices are Paxton or "nothing" and several bullpen games, I'm taking Paxton.

They're going to need someone else to start games, and I think it sends a better message to the team banking on James Paxton - even if he literally blows out his arm on the first pitch than telling the team "we think you guys stink, so you're only getting Kyle Barraclough, Matt Dermody, bullpen games started by Kyle Ort and Pablo Reyes."


*Even if the Red Sox acquire him and he starts 8 games with a 3.25ERA, I don't think they should extend him, for many of the same reasons mentioned above.*
 

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To me it all depends on what the "overpay" is. Just as an example of two guys that I really like (Taillon and Bassitt), I think that either of those players would be attainable without dipping into the ATM Campbell, Montgomery (obviously PTBNL and 6 months and stuff aside). So while something built around a deal of something like 3 of 6 from the Bleis, Yorke, Jordan, Zanetello, Gonzalez, Castro group would probably be an "overpay" it's one that I think would help the Sox and make a lot of sense. Not only for this year, but for the next couple of seasons as well as both players have term. Would I dip into the ATM (CM) pieces for them - no, certainly not. Would I overpay in terms of pieces outside of those - yes. But only for guys with more than this year (or put another way, yes for Taillon and Bassitt but not for Flaherty).


However, I agree (I think) that the most likely path is to go after rentals with pieces that are more in the "Eddinson Paulino and below" tier (and depending on the player in question, a good bit below).

Even going out and getting pieces that should cost basically nothing - lets say they go out and get Paxton or Patrick Corbin, Tommy Pham and something that is a relief pitcher and I'm not going through every RP name ostensibly on the market - would at least show the team that they're "investing" in them with known MLB players that could help them get to the playoffs.

That would at least allow them a "modified" 6 man rotation where you get the opportunity to skip a turn for Houck, Crawford and Bello without a) the white flag that is often a bullpen game and b) without overtaxing said bullpen.

For instance, say they get James Paxton. They could then line up as:

7/24 - Pivetta
7/25 - off day
7/26 - Bello
7/27 - Crawford
7/28 - Paxton
7/29 - Criswell
7/30 - Pivetta
7/31 - Bello
8/1 - off day
8/2 - Houck (has missed one start but gotten 10 days of rest)
8/3 - Paxton
8/4 - Criswell
8/5 - Pivetta
8/6 - Bello
8/7 Crawford (has missed one start but gotten 10 days of rest)
8/8 - off day
8/8 - Houck
8/9 - Paxton
8/10 - Pivetta
8/11 - Criswell
8/12 - Crawford
8/13 - Houck
8/14 - Paxton
8/15 - Pivetta
8/16 - Bello (has missed one start but gotten 10 days of rest)

...and so on and so forth for the remainder of the season. That could be hugely important with Houck, Crawford and Bello set to blow through their prior career high in innings pitched.


Also - thanks @Sin Duda, I was proud of that.
Taillon, with two more years of control, would be a nice player to get. I'm not sure if the Sox would be willing to include Bleis in such a package, and I'm not sure if the rest of those prospects would be enough without him. But I honestly have no idea if either of those things is true. In any case, it will definitely be interesting to see where all this goes.
 

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DENVER — Let’s cut through the speculation.
Since June, Red Sox chief baseball officer Craig Breslow has said the team will need to pick a decisive lane prior to the July 30 trade deadline. Prior to Wednesday afternoon’s game in Colorado, he did just that.
The Sox entered the day 54-46, one game behind the Twins and Royals for the second and third AL wild-card spots. So, which lane?
“At some point, we need to stop with the stupid analogies and put the turn signal on,” said Breslow. “We’ve played really good baseball for the last few months. We’ve put ourselves in this position where we’re going to look to improve the team. That’s where we would want to be.
“I think everybody who takes this job does so with an eye on being in a place where not only can you add to the team but it’s the right decision. We obviously have to be mindful of the future. In a perfect world, we can improve our 2024 team and also our ‘25 and beyond. That’s my job. But I think as things stand right now, we’re looking for ways to improve the club.”
“I think if we were to be pretty specific, pitching is always what we look for at the deadline, especially given some of the injuries that we’re currently battling through, some of the ones we had on the starting pitching side earlier in spring training and at the beginning of the season between [Lucas] Giolito, [Garrett] Whitlock, and now [Justin] Slaten and [Chris] Martin,” said Breslow. “Hopefully we’ll get those guys back here soon, but definitely looking for pitching.


“And given how lefthanded we are — not only right now but also a lot of our really exciting young players are lefthanded — if we could add a righthanded bat, it would be something that we would want to do.”

Even as he looks to upgrade, Breslow is mindful of trying to build a perennial contender fueled by players who are currently in the big leagues with several years of team control remaining as well as an upper echelon of standout prospects.

That said, he expressed optimism that the Sox have the prospect depth to make deals while preserving the players who are seen as future long-term regulars.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/07/24/sports/red-sox-craig-breslow-trade-deadline/?event=event25
View: https://twitter.com/alexspeier/status/1816226363369558491
 

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"At some point, we need to stop with the stupid analogies and put the turn signal on,” said Breslow.

Ummm okay
 

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Taillon, with two more years of control, would be a nice player to get. I'm not sure if the Sox would be willing to include Bleis in such a package, and I'm not sure if the rest of those prospects would be enough without him. But I honestly have no idea if either of those things is true. In any case, it will definitely be interesting to see where all this goes.
Maybe, but is there any fear of being locked jnto an ok but not great rotation of Houck-Bello-Taillon-Crawford-Giolito (with Whitlock, Criswell, Winckowski as depth, I guess) for next year? Makes it a little more challenging to add another top shelf starter although I guess you could always make a trade.

In some ways, though, I think a rental might be preferable.
 

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Maybe, but is there any fear of being locked jnto an ok but not great rotation of Houck-Bello-Taillon-Crawford-Giolito (with Whitlock, Criswell, Winckowski as depth, I guess) for next year? Makes it a little more challenging to add another top shelf starter although I guess you could always make a trade.

In some ways, though, I think a rental might be preferable.
You’re not locked into Taillon. You can trade him.
 

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Good This team isn't world beaters or even guaranteed a playoff spot, but they are good enough that they deserve to be invested in.

The most I think we can ask for in any given season is to have meaningful baseball in September. It looked like they were on the right track for that last season before it got derailed after the deadline. I will say that I don't want to see any of Anthony/Mayer/Teel/Campbell moved unless it is for something absolutely major. Those are the kind of players you build a dynasty around and I am really excited to watch them grow over the next decade plus.

But anyone else in the organization should be on the table for rentals for the pen, rotation and a right handed bat. This is good news, assuming Breslow follows through on it.
 

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Maybe, but is there any fear of being locked jnto an ok but not great rotation of Houck-Bello-Taillon-Crawford-Giolito (with Whitlock, Criswell, Winckowski as depth, I guess) for next year? Makes it a little more challenging to add another top shelf starter although I guess you could always make a trade.

In some ways, though, I think a rental might be preferable.
I don’t think it precludes you going after a front line pitcher in the offseason. As you note, you can always trade someone. I think when you can lock up quality starting pitching you have to go for it. Again, I’m not sure how realistic a Taillon acquisition is at the deadline—and I think I am with you on preferring a rental given the likely costs involved—but if someone like him were available without ATMM or Bleis being in the package, you’d have to consider it.
 

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It's pretty tough to have an objectively good day when you give up 20 runs to conclude a lost west coast trip. BUT

1. Signing Cora huge win and he doesn't sign up without some win this year and aggressive mentality.
2. Committing to Buying

Name I think makes some sense and Breslow probably has some inside goods on is Justin Steele. A little on the older side. Obviously Breslow is familar with the arsenal.

Would Teel Bleis and say Wilyer Abreu be starting a conversation ?

The big three is reminiscent of Moncada Benintendi and Devers ? I'd bet one gets traded

I'm excited to see someone who with Breslow smarts attack the value/prospect/control game

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Call the Orioles about Jackson Holliday. Number 1 Prospects are rarely traded Moncada obviously the exception

Marcelo Mayer for Jackson Holliday preposterous but Holliday moves CR to Center where he's more elite. Problem is the O's would have to probably get something else besides Mayer
 

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I would imagine Taillon is who our GM will be after inasmuch as it has been reported that he was responsible for the presentation that got him to go to Chicago. No idea if he will pay the price required but my guess is that is who is preference is.
 

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It's pretty tough to have an objectively good day when you give up 20 runs to conclude a lost west coast trip. BUT

1. Signing Cora huge win and he doesn't sign up without some win this year and aggressive mentality.
2. Committing to Buying

Name I think makes some sense and Breslow probably has some inside goods on is Justin Steele. A little on the older side. Obviously Breslow is familar with the arsenal.

Would Teel Bleis and say Wilyer Abreu be starting a conversation ?

The big three is reminiscent of Moncada Benintendi and Devers ? I'd bet one gets traded

I'm excited to see someone who with Breslow smarts attack the value/prospect/control game

Outrageous Suggestion
Call the Orioles about Jackson Holliday. Number 1 Prospects are rarely traded Moncada obviously the exception

Marcelo Mayer for Jackson Holliday preposterous but Holliday moves CR to Center where he's more elite. Problem is the O's would have to probably get something else besides Mayer
What does your infield look like?
 

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Would something like Abreu, Valdez, Winckowski, Wikelman, Zanetello even get close to bringing back Luzardo?
I doubt it. The Marlins will want prospects, and at least one who is pretty close to can't miss. I don't think they deal Luzardo to the Sox without one of the big 4 attached.

Luzardo is also out until mid-August with a back injury, so not sure the Sox would even be interested in him right now.
 

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Would something like Abreu, Valdez, Winckowski, Wikelman, Zanetello even get close to bringing back Luzardo?
Teams don't want trades structured like that because roster flexibility is too important. The Marlins have 39 players on the active 40-man roster with another 6 on the 60-day IL who have to go back on the 40 by the off-season. If they trade one guy from their 40 and bring back four who need to be added to the 40, they're actually losing Luzardo plus a few other guys who they're either forced to trade or DFA.
 

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Three guys that I think they could get at a reasonable price: Mark Cahna, Andrew Heaney, Michael Kopech.
 

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I don't think Canha is the best option, even on a budget. The priority should be getting Westbrook off the field, not platooning Dom.
 

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I don't think Canha is the best option, even on a budget. The priority should be getting Westbrook off the field, not platooning Dom.
Particularly with the news that Casas could be going on a rehab assignment as soon as this weekend. He needs no platoon partner.

We have to remember that there are finite roster spots available. I agree the priority is upgrading the Westbrook spot on the roster. Almost by default, that means finding a RHH who can play the middle infield at the least. If he can cover the corners and/or the outfield too, all the better. Basically they need another Romy, but preferably with a more reliably strong bat.
 

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Sorry to be that poster but can we have a separate thread for trade ideas? People here love making up trades so we should give them a platform to dream on turning Dalbec into Crochet.

Bumping this thread without actual rumors is our "full throttle" moment.
 

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I don't think Canha is the best option, even on a budget. The priority should be getting Westbrook off the field, not platooning Dom.
for better or worse, Grissom will be replacing Westbrook. Grissom has been on a rehab assignment in AAA last few days.
 

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Sorry to be that poster but can we have a separate thread for trade ideas? People here love making up trades so we should give them a platform to dream on turning Dalbec into Crochet.

Bumping this thread without actual rumors is our "full throttle" moment.
All three of the guys I mentioned have been mentioned as possible fits by mlb writers over the last week. We can argue the validity of these rumors and the writers who've brought their names up, but I'll never be the poster who says "let's trade Dalbec for Crochet".
 

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All three of the guys I mentioned have been mentioned as possible fits by mlb writers over the last week. We can argue the validity of these rumors and the writers who've brought their names up, but I'll never be the poster who says "let's trade Dalbec for Crochet".
So these are trade ideas, correct? There are no credible rumors connecting the Sox with these players?
 

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So these are trade ideas, correct? There are no credible rumors connecting the Sox with these players?
Heaney was talked about on Buster Olney's podcast, Kopech was mentioned on si.com earlier today and Cahna was brought up on mlb trade rumors. Not saying anything is in the works but also not just pulling names out of the ether...
 

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Heaney was talked about on Buster Olney's podcast, Kopech was mentioned on si.com earlier today and Cahna was brought up on mlb trade rumors. Not saying anything is in the works but also not just pulling names out of the ether...
That's not what he asked. Has any of them been specifically linked to the Red Sox?
 

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Heaney was talked about on Buster Olney's podcast, Kopech was mentioned on si.com earlier today and Cahna was brought up on mlb trade rumors. Not saying anything is in the works but also not just pulling names out of the ether...
They are available for trade....they were suggested by writers as a good fit for the sox...even though there has not been a report "Sox interested in ....." you bring up a valid point that they could be had for a reasonable price. I'm good with that - it's not like you are throwing unrealistic and unsubstantiated trades out there like off-season stuff. As for the guys you mentioned, I am not sure Canha is much better than what we have already, other than he is right handed. Kind of surprised the Tigers are getting a lot of interest in him. I think there might be a better 1 year rental out there.
 

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That's not what he asked. Has any of them been specifically linked to the Red Sox?
Every one of them was in an article or on a podcast ABOUT THE RED SOX. Why would I be commenting on it on a Red Sox Forum otherwise? As for them being specifically linked, who the hell knows? I don't and you don't, unless you work in their front office, or the FO of one of those teams. We all know this is silly season when it comes to trade rumors and what is real and what is conjecture and what writer is credible and which is stirring the pot. The Sox have probably been linked to 30 different players over the last ten days alone. I simply named 3 who i thought could be had without giving up too much prospect capital.
 

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Every one of them was in an article or on a podcast ABOUT THE RED SOX. Why would I be commenting on it on a Red Sox Forum otherwise? As for them being specifically linked, who the hell knows? I don't and you don't, unless you work in their front office, or the FO of one of those teams. We all know this is silly season when it comes to trade rumors and what is real and what is conjecture and what writer is credible and which is stirring the pot. The Sox have probably been linked to 30 different players over the last ten days alone. I simply named 3 who i thought could be had without giving up too much prospect capital.
You'd save yourself a whole lot of trouble when offering such suggestions if you would simply link to the articles, etc that mention the Red Sox as being interested in Players X, Y and Z
 

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They are available for trade....they were suggested by writers as a good fit for the sox...even though there has not been a report "Sox interested in ....." you bring up a valid point that they could be had for a reasonable price. I'm good with that - it's not like you are throwing unrealistic and unsubstantiated trades out there like off-season stuff. As for the guys you mentioned, I am not sure Canha is much better than what we have already, other than he is right handed. Kind of surprised the Tigers are getting a lot of interest in him. I think there might be a better 1 year rental out there.
I agree with this for the most part, and thank you thank you for not twisting my words around like some above. You get it. As for Cahna, I agree that it'd be ideal if the RHH we were to aquire could play more than 1B, DH, OF in a pinch, but I'm not expecting Casas back anytime soon, so that is why I included him. Appreciate you backing me @BeantownIdaho
 

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Every one of them was in an article or on a podcast ABOUT THE RED SOX. Why would I be commenting on it on a Red Sox Forum otherwise? As for them being specifically linked, who the hell knows? I don't and you don't, unless you work in their front office, or the FO of one of those teams. We all know this is silly season when it comes to trade rumors and what is real and what is conjecture and what writer is credible and which is stirring the pot. The Sox have probably been linked to 30 different players over the last ten days alone. I simply named 3 who i thought could be had without giving up too much prospect capital.
Rumors should be reports like "Red Sox are said to be targeting player X" or "Red Sox and team Y are discussing player X." A reporter or columnist or pundit speculating that "player X could be a fit for the Red Sox" isn't a rumor. I think that's the point E5 and others are trying to make. This is the rumors thread, it should be populated with rumors, not wishlists and fantasy proposals.
 

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You'd save yourself a whole lot of trouble when offering such suggestions if you would simply link to the articles, etc that mention the Red Sox as being interested in Players X, Y and Z
See @BeantownIdaho above with a common sense response that doesn't simply slam a reasonable post. As for links to articles, many people here find themselves behind firewalls and that is frustrating, i know. I cited the sources for each one. Go find them if you're that interested.
 

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Rumors should be reports like "Red Sox are said to be targeting player X" or "Red Sox and team Y are discussing player X." A reporter or columnist or pundit speculating that "player X could be a fit for the Red Sox" isn't a rumor. I think that's the point E5 and others are trying to make. This is the rumors thread, it should be populated with rumors, not wishlists and fantasy proposals.
I get that and i do understand the difference. Maybe i posted on the wrong thread. Good luck finding any solid reporting of actual teams discussing actual trade proposals by any executives right now. It simply rarely happens these days, especially with this virtually leak proof FO. And yes maybe they were "wishlists" or whatever, but they certainly weren't mine, they were in writing by industry types, no matter how credible or not they are.
 

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BTW, this trade rumors thread has 187 comments on it. I just scrolled up thru at least the last 90 and found very, very few that are actual trade rumors.
 

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See @BeantownIdaho above with a common sense response that doesn't simply slam a reasonable post. As for links to articles, many people here find themselves behind firewalls and that is frustrating, i know. I cited the sources for each one. Go find them if you're that interested.
I think the point is something like this.
True, no one is listening to GMs' phone calls, so first-person accounts are not happening.
At the next level we have the Heymans of the world......."baseball people are saying that the Ruppert Mundys would really like to unload Roland Agni. and are shopping him to anyone who will listen"
And finally, we have source-free musing, like "Specs Torporcer is unhappy with his new role as an emergency catcher, and the Browns could really use a utility player."
 

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See @BeantownIdaho above with a common sense response that doesn't simply slam a reasonable post. As for links to articles, many people here find themselves behind firewalls and that is frustrating, i know. I cited the sources for each one. Go find them if you're that interested.
It is standard practice here to post links to articles that you cite and/or refer to in posts. It's been that way forever. It makes conversations easier. If you can't be bothered to do the minimum required than please don't post about something you read about without a link.
 

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It is standard practice here to post links to articles that you cite and/or refer to in posts. It's been that way forever. It makes conversations easier. If you can't be bothered to do the minimum required than please don't post about something you read about without a link.
https://www.espn.com/espnradio/podcast/archive?id=2386164

https://www.si.com/mlb/red-sox/boston-red-sox-news/reunion-with-former-red-sox-top-prospect-could-work-with-deadline-coming-pat3

https://www.si.com/mlb/red-sox/boston-red-sox-news/red-sox-could-easily-settle-for-rangers-lefty-hurler-to-boost-rotation-colin3
 
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Does a reunion with Kopech make sense for the Sox? We may need another bullpen arm and he is a buy low guy with one year remaining. Could Bailey work some wonders here? Stole your article @Cassvt2023 - credit to you - I hadn't read this one.

https://www.si.com/mlb/red-sox/boston-red-sox-news/reunion-with-former-red-sox-top-prospect-could-work-with-deadline-coming-pat3
There is a lot of natural ability to work with there. You can't teach triple digits. Even though Bailey isn't familiar with him, there must be some holdovers in the FO or on the staff who know him from his days here. I have to believe that Breslow and Bailey would be able to get more out of him than the White Sox have recently. If it only cost us a prospect (and maybe a flier) in the top 20-30 range, I'd think it's worth the gamble.
 

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Kopech has been on my radar cause his pitch shapes are still really good, so if Bailey thinks he can fix something I'm all in.
 

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