Red Sox trade deadline rumors

[Sandy Leon Trotsky]

Figured it might be a good place to kick off a thread to dump stuff like this? Not a thread for proposals but for rumors, poorly sourced “insider information” that always starts popping up around now…
View: https://youtu.be/umknhpiCoWw?si=n-or50wy09s6njbf


It looks AI generated and I barely could watch it but I’m guessing there’s likely something legitimate here.

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

Figured it might be a good place to kick off a thread to dump stuff like this? Not a thread for proposals but for rumors, poorly sourced “insider information” that always starts popping up around now…
View: https://youtu.be/umknhpiCoWw?si=n-or50wy09s6njbf


It looks AI generated and I barely could watch it but I’m guessing there’s likely something legitimate here.

It's fan-created wishcasting rather than an actual rumor, no different than threads here tossing around names and proposals we'd like to see the Sox pursue. I have no doubt that Flaherty would be in demand if he's made available, but there's nothing to indicate the Sox are targeting him or would be at the head of the line should he be moved.

 

[Sandy Leon Trotsky]

It's fan-created wishcasting rather than an actual rumor, no different than threads here tossing around names and proposals we'd like to see the Sox pursue. I have no doubt that Flaherty would be in demand if he's made available, but there's nothing to indicate the Sox are targeting him or would be at the head of the line should he be moved.

Absolutely. That’s why I put this in a new “rumors” thread. We always have these in the off-season but July has another dumping of poorly sourced self-proclaimed insiders with some info.
If this thread seems inappropriate I’m fine with it being taken down, it just seems different than “who to trade for…” to me

 

[Lose Remerswaal]

I think it’s the “guess there’s likely something legitimate” part that is being questioned.

 

[LogansDad]

I think the idea for the thread is fine, but the source for the OP video is questionable, and I don't believe has any use on this site. I mean, just looking at their video list from the last few days shows that they have no actual information and are just trying to generate clicks with CAPITAL LETTERS.

Someone could tell me the Sox reanimated and traded for peak Jose Fernandez, and I would be just as likely to believe them as anything from that Youtube channel.

 

[HangingW/ScottCooper]

Jeff Passan suggested Luis Rengifo

 

[absintheofmalaise]

Please post links.

 

[Mugsy's Jock]

Someone could tell me the Sox reanimated and traded for peak Jose Fernandez, and I would be just as likely to believe them as anything from that Youtube channel.

So you're saying there's a chance?!

 

[joe dokes]

So you're saying there's a chance?!

No chance. That ship has sailed.

 

[Brohamer of the Gods]

Hold on a minute, what kind of prospect do we have to trade if we don't reanimate Jose Fernandez first?

 

[Lose Remerswaal]

Hold on a minute, what kind of prospect do we have to trade if we don't reanimate Jose Fernandez first?

Dalbec

 

[simplicio]

How are we going to reanimate him if we ship out our resident practitioner of the dark arts?

 

[shaggydog2000]

How are we going to reanimate him if we ship out our resident practitioner of the dark arts?

Pedro Cerrano? Didn't he retire years ago?

 

[BillMuellerFanClub]

No chance. That ship has sailed.

I'm pretty sure it was speed boat.

 

[Brohamer of the Gods]

How are we going to reanimate him if we ship out our resident practitioner of the dark arts?

Remember when we picked up Cooper, we agreed not to take him until the Cubs left town? We can probably swing something like that.

 

[joe dokes]

I'm pretty sure it was speed boat.

For about 98% of the trip.

 

[jeff_moffett]

Let me be the first idiot. Dalbec for Soto, Yankees includes $200M, who says no?

 

[jeff_moffett]

Let me be the first idiot. Dalbec for Soto, Yankees includes $200M, who says no?

That was of course a joke…

 

[brandonchristensen]

Let me be the first idiot. Dalbec for Soto, Yankees includes $200M, who says no?

Not sure.

Soto only ever hit as many as 14 homers in the minors. Bobby D has hit more than 25 FOUR TIMES.

That's upside I don't think Soto has.

Also Bobby D has age. And age before beauty.

 

[effectivelywild]

That was of course a joke…

Given that Soto is an upcoming free agent and his salary for this year is way less than 200 mil, I think MLB says no.

Also, given the makeup of this club, are we sure we would want to trade for a bad-fielding OF?

 

[LogansDad]

Given that Soto is an upcoming free agent and his salary for this year is way less than 200 mil, I think MLB says no.

Also, given the makeup of this club, are we sure we would want to trade for a bad-fielding OF?

Especially one who bats left handed, am I right?

 

[ookami7m]

Especially one who bats left handed, am I right?

Would probably have to throw in Yoshida

 

[chawson]

Also, given the makeup of this club, are we sure we would want to trade for a bad-fielding OF?

Since it’s bound to come up a dozen times this offseason, I’ll sidebar this Dalbec joke to note that Soto is much improved in the outfield this year. He’s at +3 defensive runs saved (Fielding Bible) and +/- 0 outs above average this year (meaning exactly average) in 2024.

 

[bosockboy]

Last night’s heroics aside, feels like we a RHH bat short. A RHH 2B rental would be ideal to balance out the lineup vs lefties.

That and I love the idea of Scherzer if Texas is still floundering.

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

Last night’s heroics aside, feels like we a RHH bat short. A RHH 2B rental would be ideal to balance out the lineup vs lefties.

Is there any potential rental out there that is a clear upgrade over Romy?

 

[E5 Yaz]

Is there any potential rental out there that is a clear upgrade over Romy?

Even with Casas (and Story, etc) out, the offense to me has seemed to hang in there, despite handedness. I'd be more interest in bulking up the starting staff for the second half.

 

[bosockboy]

Is there any potential rental out there that is a clear upgrade over Romy?

Luis Rengifo seemed pretty perfect but is on the IL with wrist inflammation. If it’s nothing serious he’d be worth looking at. His arb eligible this winter.

 

[Coachster]

Is there any potential rental out there that is a clear upgrade over Romy?

Romy is the RHH option at first, and with Casas nowhere near a return, I think we need an additional RHH middle infield bat.

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

Romy is the RHH option at first, and with Casas nowhere near a return, I think we need an additional RHH middle infield bat.

That's fair, but I think Romy can handle both. I just don't see that as a need to spend any resources against as opposed to pitching. Even more so if Martin is seriously injured.

 

[joe dokes]

Romy is the RHH option at first, and with Casas nowhere near a return, I think we need an additional RHH middle infield bat.

Any of the minor league IF brigade a possible contributor?

(I lean toward getting some dependably near-average pitching)

 

[E5 Yaz]

Any of the minor league IF brigade a possible contributor?

This is where Dalbec's failure haunts them. Romy could be the RH middle infielder (he is already), if Dalbec had proven reliable enough as the RH 1B/3B option.

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

Any of the minor league IF brigade a possible contributor?

(I lean toward getting some dependably near-average pitching)

Grissom? I know he's not technically minor leagues but he's got to be back at some point. He seems the most likely if not only internal option. It's unrealistic to expect an upgrade to come from within, especially with the apparent gulf between AAA and MLB. We've seen so many other guys take some time to adjust before they have success at the big league level. Bringing up a prospect during a pennant chase and counting on him to excel immediately isn't exactly a great plan.

 

[bosockboy]

This is where Dalbec's failure haunts them. Romy could be the RH middle infielder (he is already), if Dalbec had proven reliable enough as the RH 1B/3B option.

And Cooper was terrible.

 

[YTF]

Any of the minor league IF brigade a possible contributor?

(I lean toward getting some dependably near-average pitching)

I believe Cora noted Sogards progress this season, perhaps he's an option. Yorke, Meidroth perhaps? They'll need to clear a path to get one of these guys on the 40 man. Grissom is still waiting in the wings if/when he's recovered.

 

[Sandy Leon Trotsky]

Grissom? I know he's not technically minor leagues but he's got to be back at some point. He seems the most likely if not only internal option. It's unrealistic to expect an upgrade to come from within, especially with the apparent gulf between AAA and MLB. We've seen so many other guys take some time to adjust before they have success at the big league level. Bringing up a prospect during a pennant chase and counting on him to excel immediately isn't exactly a great plan.

Meidroth is the only guy who Icould image his skill set translating to the ML’s without much of a drop.

But he doesn’t really fit what’s needed- I think the offense is fine. I’d love a flamethrower BP arm as 1sr priority…. Starting pitcher 2nd.

 

[The Gray Eagle]

Nick Sogard is playing well in AAA. They likely don't want to put him on the 40-man because they might have to remove him at some point if they need the spot. But anyone they trade for would also take up a 40-man spot at least at first.
He is a 26-year-old potential utility guy-- plays a bunch of positions, switch hitter, seems to be decent at everything, not great at anything, with 9 HRs, 7 steals, .853 OPS.
This year he has spent most of his time at SS but also played third, second, RF, LF and 9 innings at first.
They way I look at it is if he comes up and plays poorly, then it's no great loss if later you have to DFA him. If he plays badly nobody else might claim him anyway.
If he plays well, that helps the team at a position of need, which is what you would hope you'd get if you traded for a guy anyway.

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

But he doesn’t really fit what’s needed- I think the offense is fine. I’d love a flamethrower BP arm as 1sr priority…. Starting pitcher 2nd.

Caleb Ort fits that description. I just want someone else who can get outs if Campbell isn't that guy and Martin is hurt. Kelly has been a really nice surprise. I'd like someone else like him.

 

[YTF]

Nick Sogard is playing well in AAA. They likely don't want to put him on the 40-man because they might have to remove him at some point if they need the spot. But anyone they trade for would also take up a 40-man spot at least at first.
He is a 26-year-old potential utility guy-- plays a bunch of positions, switch hitter, seems to be decent at everything, not great at anything, with 9 HRs, 7 steals, .853 OPS.
This year he has spent most of his time at SS but also played third, second, RF, LF and 9 innings at first.
They way I look at it is if he comes up and plays poorly, then it's no great loss if later you have to DFA him. If he plays badly nobody else might claim him anyway.
If he plays well, that helps the team at a position of need, which is what you would hope you'd get if you traded for a guy anyway.

After reading what you've written, perhaps his best path would be if Romy finds himself in a 60 day IL situation.

 

[Fishy1]

It's obviously a small sample, but Romy has been fantastic in limited big league time this year. He's cut his K rate in half, he's hitting the ball hard, and usually on a line. I just don't see the need to start Meidroth's clock or promote Sogard when Romy is doing what he's doing AND providing very good defense all over the diamond.



As for the bullpen... Booser, Slaten, Kelly, Bernardino, Weissert, Jansen... all these guys have been at least good and many of them have been fantastic. And we have Liam Hendriks already throwing bullpens. He should be back soon.

If they're going to upgrade, they should be looking to cash in some prospects and aiming high for someone who can be a franchise player, not playing around the margins by promoting minor leaguers or adding relievers, IMO.

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

This is where Dalbec's failure haunts them. Romy could be the RH middle infielder (he is already), if Dalbec had proven reliable enough as the RH 1B/3B option.

Serious question. Where would Dalbec fit on the current roster if he could be relied upon to hit? Who goes to make room for him (or another RHH 1B/3B option)? There's isn't an obvious guy to send down or release at the moment. I think the RHH 1B need kinda resolves itself with Casas returning. While he'll need a breather once in a while, he's not a platoon guy so you don't need Romy or any other RHH playing 1B 2-3 times a week.

Which makes keeping Dom Smith around even after Casas returns hard to do (and I know I've seen discussions about that lately). He's got no role at all once Casas is back. He's someone who, provided Casas is back before the deadline, could net something at the deadline. Nothing huge and perhaps nothing of immediate use. Anything's better than just cutting him for nothing.

 

[TrotNixonRing]

Since it’s bound to come up a dozen times this offseason, I’ll sidebar this Dalbec joke to note that Soto is much improved in the outfield this year. He’s at +3 defensive runs saved (Fielding Bible) and +/- 0 outs above average this year (meaning exactly average) in 2024.

could some of that be playing in the tiny RF in the toilet?

 

[Fishy1]

Serious question. Where would Dalbec fit on the current roster if he could be relied upon to hit? Who goes to make room for him (or another RHH 1B/3B option)? There's isn't an obvious guy to send down or release at the moment. I think the RHH 1B need kinda resolves itself with Casas returning. While he'll need a breather once in a while, he's not a platoon guy so you don't need Romy or any other RHH playing 1B 2-3 times a week.

Which makes keeping Dom Smith around even after Casas returns hard to do (and I know I've seen discussions about that lately). He's got no role at all once Casas is back. He's someone who, provided Casas is back before the deadline, could net something at the deadline. Nothing huge and perhaps nothing of immediate use. Anything's better than just cutting him for nothing.

Could he? Seems more likely he'd be DFA'd. I like the guy, but he's got an OPS of like .615. He was bad last year too. I doubt anyone wants him at all.

 

[TrotNixonRing]

On a team like this, 40-man spots are too precious. He will be DFAed this year, it’s a lock. Guy is not a major league hitter but worth a look for a rebuilding team.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Serious question. Where would Dalbec fit on the current roster if he could be relied upon to hit? Who goes to make room for him (or another RHH 1B/3B option)? There's isn't an obvious guy to send down or release at the moment. I think the RHH 1B need kinda resolves itself with Casas returning. While he'll need a breather once in a while, he's not a platoon guy so you don't need Romy or any other RHH playing 1B 2-3 times a week.

If they want to go such a route -- and I had said earlier that the offense didn't seem to be suffering from handedness -- then if Dalbec had hit, Valdez is the likely candidate to be back in AAA.
I honestly don't think a "lack" of a RHH middle infielder is that much of an issue, short- or long-term, especially in comparison to the question as to whether another starter is needed. For all we know, Grissom could come back in the second half and contribute.
Sometimes, fans look at what their team doesn't have and get it in their heads that they must need to fill that "hole."

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

Could he? Seems more likely he'd be DFA'd. I like the guy, but he's got an OPS of like .615. He was bad last year too. I doubt anyone wants him at all.

Like I said, he's probably not worth much. All I'm saying is that if they can get anything for him, Casas has to return before the deadline. After that, they will have no choice but to release him outright.

 

[section15]

Another non-credentailed blogger trying to get our attention.. That's my take on it.

 

[simplicio]

You definitely try to get Dom through waivers. If Casas reinjures himself you want that insurance available. Once he shook the rust off he showed he could be an average player, which is more than you can say about Dalbec.

 

[Fishy1]

Like I said, he's probably not worth much. All I'm saying is that if they can get anything for him, Casas has to return before the deadline. After that, they will have no choice but to release him outright.

Yeah, fair enough. Polite thing to do in this situation if there's little or marginal interest might be just to DFA him so he can make his next choice about where he goes. I don't know.

 

[YTF]

Serious question. Where would Dalbec fit on the current roster if he could be relied upon to hit? Who goes to make room for him (or another RHH 1B/3B option)? There's isn't an obvious guy to send down or release at the moment. I think the RHH 1B need kinda resolves itself with Casas returning. While he'll need a breather once in a while, he's not a platoon guy so you don't need Romy or any other RHH playing 1B 2-3 times a week.

Which makes keeping Dom Smith around even after Casas returns hard to do (and I know I've seen discussions about that lately). He's got no role at all once Casas is back. He's someone who, provided Casas is back before the deadline, could net something at the deadline. Nothing huge and perhaps nothing of immediate use. Anything's better than just cutting him for nothing.

Agreed. He's no real place on this team when Casas returns. I'm guessing that Breslow keeps a binder with lower level pitchers that he might see something in. Perhaps there's a lottery ticket there that he can flip Smith for.

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

You definitely try to get Dom through waivers. If Casas reinjures himself you want that insurance available. Once he shook the rust off he showed he could be an average player, which is more than you can say about Dalbec.

Stashing Smith in Worcester would require his consent too. I think Fishy is right that if they can't find a trade, they'll let him go to choose his own next destination. I suspect with his performance for the Sox, he'll find a taker. Maybe not for a trade but Smith at pro-rated league minimum (what he'd cost as a free agent) will have value to someone.