Red Sox Trade Deadline 2022

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Looking at the big FAs this offseason, who would we really want to sign? Go for Turner over Xander? Contreras over Vazquez? Mitch Haniger or Joey Gallo in the OF? Bring back Benintendi? It isn't a great FA year tbh. IDK if we can cobble together a championship caliber team through FA.
Outside of retaining their free agents, I don't see a really good target for a big contract. I expect it will be more likely they sign a few veteran players on short deals (possible AAV overpays) in the vein of the 2013 season to seat fill for a season or two. Spend $80M on 7-8 solid role players instead of a couple headliners.

There's also the possibility of converting a bit of prospect capital, depending on deadline hauls, into a trade or two to address needs. That shouldn't be ruled out. They'll find a way to spend the payroll at least into the $180M range if not higher. I'm not too concerned about that.
 

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Trea Turner? He doesn’t make sense for the Sox given they’re not close to serious contention and he’s block the best prospect the team has.
Mayer's a 19 year old in A ball. He shouldn't factor into any decisions.
 

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D’oh, Trea seems like he’d certainly be of interest but have to assume he will be looking for a Bogaerts type deal, if not more.
 

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Trea Turner? He doesn’t make sense for the Sox given they’re not close to serious contention and he’s block the best prospect the team has.
Hence my curiosity about his willingness to move to the OF. Devers, Story, X (if he's back), Turner, Casas and Verdugo aren't a bad core to fill in around. That leaves C, DH and RF to fill via FA or trade and ideally they're not going to sign another pure DH type.
 

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Trea Turner? He doesn’t make sense for the Sox given they’re not close to serious contention and he’s block the best prospect the team has.
In semi-fairness, you could have written this about the Twins and Correa this time last year. It’s working out ok for them at this point - though skepticism remains.

EDIT: not that I’m expecting the Red Sox to sign Trea Turner, to be clear.
 

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Hence my curiosity about his willingness to move to the OF. Devers, Story, X (if he's back), Turner, Casas and Verdugo aren't a bad core to fill in around. That leaves C, DH and RF to fill via FA or trade and ideally they're not going to sign another pure DH type.
It is a nice core, but potentially an expensive one. Gotta assume that X and Turner would take $30M each to sign, and Devers is probably looking for that to sign long term. So that's ~$120-125M for those six players and about $110M (under the luxury tax) to fill out the other 20 roster spots.

I think if they sign X or Turner, it will be one or the other and not both.
 

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Delta 8878, the Red Sox charter, is just airborne for Houston. Having not heard to the contrary, we can assume that Vaz, JD and Eovaldi are all on the plane.
 

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Hence my curiosity about his willingness to move to the OF. Devers, Story, X (if he's back), Turner, Casas and Verdugo aren't a bad core to fill in around. That leaves C, DH and RF to fill via FA or trade.
Trea Turner has been pretty vocal about wanting to stay with the Dodgers.

Outside of retaining their free agents, I don't see a really good target for a big contract. I expect it will be more likely they sign a few veteran players on short deals (possible AAV overpays) in the vein of the 2013 season to seat fill for a season or two. Spend $80M on 7-8 solid role players instead of a couple headliners.

There's also the possibility of converting a bit of prospect capital, depending on deadline hauls, into a trade or two to address needs. That shouldn't be ruled out. They'll find a way to spend the payroll at least into the $180M range if not higher. I'm not too concerned about that.
Seems like a waste of Devers’ prime, doesn’t it?

Is the plan really to wait for everything to click with Casas, Yorke and Mayer all playing together in 2025 or so? Hoping the latter two stay at their positions? That seems unacceptable to me. It’s a slow, half-decade teardown.
 

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It is a nice core, but potentially an expensive one. Gotta assume that X and Turner would take $30M each to sign, and Devers is probably looking for that to sign long term. So that's ~$120-125M for those six players and about $110M (under the luxury tax) to fill out the other 20 roster spots.

I think if they sign X or Turner, it will be one or the other and not both.
You're likely right, but the likes of Houck, Whitlock, Schreiber, Taylor, Winckowski and Duran (if they're around) will ease some of that burden.
 

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Risky. The last time someone with two initials for a given name and a lot of immediate value jumped out of a plane, he was never seen again.
 

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Story is untradeable First and foremost, he is pretty much useless for most or all of this season anyway. And if someone wants him for the future 5 or 6 years left on his contract, it would undoubtedly require the Sox to pay a nasty portion of his salary. Forget about it!
Not that he's being traded anyway, but why would the Sox have to pay a large portion of Story's future salary if they were going to move him? Unless there's reason to think his injury is going to have long term issues his salary is perfectly fine.
 

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Not that he's being traded anyway, but why would the Sox have to pay a large portion of Story's future salary if they were going to move him? Unless there's reason to think his injury is going to have long term issues his salary is perfectly fine.
When was the last time the Red Sox traded a player with years left on a contract that we didn't eat some of it? They are still paying Price and he's on a big market team.
 

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Seems like a waste of Devers’ prime, doesn’t it?

Is the plan really to wait for everything to click with Casas, Yorke and Mayer all playing together in 2025 or so? Hoping the latter two stay at their positions? That seems unacceptable to me. It’s a slow, half-decade teardown.
God I hate the trope of "wasting a player's prime".

And what of my post suggests that they're wasting his prime? I'm suggesting re-signing some of their pending free agents (say Bogaerts, Vazquez, and Eovaldi with the latter two to shorter deals) then pick up a few more short-term mid-level veteran free agents to fill gaps in the roster, and yes, try to contend. They can put out a $180-200M payroll without making huge headlines with their signees (other than Bogie).

The absolute dumbest thing they can do this winter is sign a bunch of guys to long and expensive deals just to appease the media and fanbase that thinks they're not trying hard enough.
 

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When was the last time the Red Sox traded a player with years left on a contract that we didn't eat some of it? They are still paying Price and he's on a big market team.
Well, they famously did that exact same not that long ago in the grand scheme when they sent Gonzalez, Crawford, and Beckett to LA.

But it doesn't happen very often for a very simple reason, why would the Sox, or any other big market team, ever trade a guy with years left on his contract if he wasn't bad value?

Price has been near worthless to the Dodgers and had one of the biggest contracts in the league, there's 0 comparison to Story on a perfectly fine market to possibly slightly below market level deal.
 

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Outside of retaining their free agents, I don't see a really good target for a big contract. I expect it will be more likely they sign a few veteran players on short deals (possible AAV overpays) in the vein of the 2013 season to seat fill for a season or two. Spend $80M on 7-8 solid role players instead of a couple headliners.

It takes two sides to reach a deal, but yes I believe Bloom will be dangling some very fat 2-year deals out there for some solid free agents.
 

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"1 player from MLB roster" is completely meaningless without more details. Is that a pre-arb player? An aging veteran with a negative-value contract? Getting Tzu-Wei Lin back?

This is just Mets-side spin. A trade where we send JDM for, say, A-ball RHP Matt Allen (the Mets' #5 prospect) and Dom Smith (an Arb1 1B with a sub-.600 OPS who will likely be non-tendered if he isn't traded) and ask the Mets to either pay JDM's paycheck or add another prospect is not a super-steep ask.
 
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Top 5 prospect and current MLB player for an expiring JD? Can’t imagine Chaim sticking to that price, if true. But, hey, worth a shot.
Just a jumping off point, it starts conversation while still allowing offers from other teams. Also, Cohen bought this team with one thing in mind. It's going to be interesting to see his influence on this trade deadline.
 

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"1 player from MLB roster" is completely meaningless without more details. Is that a pre-arb player? An aging veteran with a negative-value contract? This is just Mets-side spin.
I would guess it's the much dangled Dom Smith, but all we have is spin from one direction or another until deals happen.
 

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"1 player from MLB roster" is completely meaningless without more details. Is that a pre-arb player? An aging veteran with a negative-value contract? This is just Mets-side spin.

Exactly, considering the Mets are the only team that has expressed interest, it is probably a package of Dom Smith and one of the Mets players that is on their 40 man or needs to be added this winter. Mark Vientos? On MLB.com, he is #5 in the Mets org and outside the Top 100. It seems like that if the player was on a top 100 list, that is what the spin would have stated instead of "Top 5". Our "5" prospect on MLB.com is Jeter Downs. Top 5 doesnt really mean much.
 

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Top 5 prospect and current MLB player for an expiring JD? Can’t imagine Chaim sticking to that price, if true. But, hey, worth a shot.
This is exactly what Bloom should be doing. Shoot the moon and see if he catch a desperate team doing desperate things (the Mets in particular certainly fit the desperate mold).

At the very least, if they do end up trading Martinez in the next 48 hours, there shouldn't be any "they couldn't do better than that?" whinging.
 

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Does the injured Smith count as being on the roster? Something like Smith/Davis, Vientos, and a low level piece matches up…and does seem high. But, if there’s no market than the price will come down- and imagine the Sox do not want to keep JD.
 

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This is exactly what Bloom should be doing. Shoot the moon and see if he catch a desperate team doing desperate things (the Mets in particular certainly fit the desperate mold).

At the very least, if they do end up trading Martinez in the next 48 hours, there shouldn't be any "they couldn't do better than that?" whinging.
There will be legitimate whining if a deal doesn’t get done. Bloom should be selling and I have no issue starting high as long as a deal gets done.
 

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I'm dumbfounded that someone not only posted a Tomase article but also thought that it made a good point.

Bloom could drop acid at the trade deadline, and I'd trust his judgment more than anything that fool has to say.
 

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"1 player from MLB roster" is completely meaningless without more details. Is that a pre-arb player? An aging veteran with a negative-value contract? Getting Tzu-Wei Lin back?

This is just Mets-side spin. A trade where we send JDM for, say, A-ball RHP Matt Allen (the Mets' #5 prospect) and Dom Smith (an Arb1 1B with a sub-.600 OPS who will likely be non-tendered if he isn't traded) and ask the Mets to either pay JDM's paycheck or add another prospect is not a super-steep ask.
According to BTV, JDM’s trade value is 0.4. Allan’s is 6.8 and Smith is -0.3. Pretty big overpay right there as it is.
 

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I think you have to take the BTV stuff with an enormous grain of salt- it’s all about the salary (they have Scherzer as a massive negative value, fwiw).
 

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I'm ambivalent about the deadline. You're 3.5 out of the last wildcard. 4 out of the second. It would be easier if Duran, Casas, Wong, Downs, etc were knocking down doors for ML reps. They aren't, save for Casas (injuries and whatnot). There's a deadzone in upper minors talent, especially in the field.

The bullpen is bad (that's an off-season problem, and not just one guy). First base and a right handed hitting outfielder are a problem (again, could've been addressed in the off-season, maybe a Hunter). The injuries are an obvious problem. Adding oft-injured guys like Hill and Wacha come to roost. You learned you may have something in Crawford, maybe depth in Winckowski and that Bello (though he looked good as the bulk guy vs Milwaukee) needs more time.

That doesn't change the current situation the team is in. Oddly the Sale injury with Devers being gone for a really big stretch look as big as anything. Story being potentially misdiagnosed (or delayed in diagnosis) hurts a ton too. The Sox med staff hasn't necessarily come up roses getting guys back in action. Sometimes that's beyond control. Such is.

If deals materialize that Bloom likes, pull the trigger. I have no illusions about this team and the season. But if Bloom doesn't dig the haul, I'm ok doing nothing. If you could add a cost controlled, fledgling (but metrics darling) arm for little, do it. Maybe he values the comp picks more.

My whole life, I expect nothing and am prepared for even less. That's this trade deadline to me.
 

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I kind of agree, in that I think you want and need legitimate major league players or guys who are close to it in return for the guys you are moving. We’ve got enough A ball prospects. Dumping the few productive veterans for A ball prospects would lead to a pretty miserable final few months given the lack of depth in AAA. Maybe that doesn’t matter, but I think you want as positive environment as possible for the players who remain.
 

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Sox want something like like Vientos, Peterson/Jd Davis, and another prospect for JD? Yeah that won’t fly.
That's exactly what I think they will get. A 45FV prospect, a fringe major leaguer and a lotto ticket. A trade with CVaz or a reliever will increase the value of the second prospect. One of the Mets or Dodgers will give in and pull the trigger before the deadline.
 

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I kind of agree, in that I think you want and need legitimate major league players or guys who are close to it in return for the guys you are moving. We’ve got enough A ball prospects. Dumping the few productive veterans for A ball prospects would lead to a pretty miserable final few months given the lack of depth in AAA. Maybe that doesn’t matter, but I think you want as positive environment as possible for the players who remain.
JD has a sub .600 OPS last month. 9 homers all year. I think I’ll be able to manage not watching him. We need to keep building up the assets. I’d be mildly annoyed if he doesn’t get dealt.
 

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I’m not very up on the current CBA. Do we get a juicy draft pick if we keep JD then he leaves in the off season?
 

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JD has a sub .600 OPS last month. 9 homers all year. I think I’ll be able to manage not watching him. We need to keep building up the assets. I’d be mildly annoyed if he doesn’t get dealt.
Yeah, I get that. The call ups have been so embarrassingly bad, though. Losing JD for some low level guys likely leads to a bunch of at bats for Danny Santana. I guess that’s ok, might as well bottom out for the final few months but it may be a lousy environment for younger guys that are part of the future. Whether that matters or not, I have no clue.
 

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Yeah, I get that. The call ups have been so embarrassingly bad, though. Losing JD for some low level guys likely leads to a bunch of at bats for Danny Santana. I guess that’s ok, might as well bottom out for the final few months but it may be a lousy environment for younger guys that are part of the future. Whether that matters or not, I have no clue.
Bottoming out would be a good thing come 2023 draft time. I am actually hoping we do. Last time we did led to Mayer. Don’t expect a similar talent in next draft but you never know what a few spots in the draft could lead to. These lineups have been terrible but with Devers back soon and X staying, any young player will have some good guidance. The Story and Sale injuries completely ruined any chance we had so I’m ready to turn the page and let Chaim make some minor deals that hopefully improve things going forward.
 

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We need to trade for the guy who fixes the broken guys. . .as opposed to getting yet another broken guy.
You have to wait until you reach a critical mass of broken players before acquiring the fixer to ensure you're getting max value from your broken player fixer investment.
 

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We need to trade for the guy who fixes the broken guys. . .as opposed to getting yet another broken guy.
This is what NY did starting in 2019, they brought in a wave of thirty-something wunderkind coaches and it is starting to really kick in. I detailed this here:

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/hiring-all-the-kids-nys-coaching-youth-wave.29282/

I don’t know what Bloom has done along these lines but that’s what you need to compete with LAD and NYY and HOU and TB consistently, a system that maximizes the talent they have because those other organizations are showing no signs of slowing down.
 

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https://theathletic.com/3465963/2022/07/31/mlb-trade-deadline-latest-padres-cubs-nationals/

If the Padres land Contreras, it might compel the Mets to move on a J.D. Martinez-Christian Vázquez package from the Red Sox. The Mets, though, are exploring numerous other possibilities, sources said.
The Astros, seeking a catcher, are among several clubs reporting a high price on Contreras. According to one source, they are focusing more on Vázquez.
Neither the Giants nor Red Sox are likely to be pure sellers. Both teams will be reluctant to concede when their playoff odds are hovering around 20 percent, and both will want to bounce back quickly in 2023.

Thus, the Red Sox are seeking major leaguers in return for rentals such as designated hitter J.D. Martinez and catcher Christian Vázquez.
EDIT: HOU's farm system is pretty barren. 1 top 100 prospect (50FV), 5 45FVs
 
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I would hope “major leaguers” could also mean near-MLB talent. Can’t imagine it would be easy to pull desirable MLB roster players from teams trying to make a World Series run.
 

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I would hope “major leaguers” could also mean near-MLB talent. Can’t imagine it would be easy to pull desirable MLB roster players from teams trying to make a World Series run.
Yeah, a guy like David Peterson is probably the best you’re doing on that front but we’ll see. It’s hard to be pure sellers when you’re not dealing your top chip in X but I don’t see why they would go halfway with the rest unless the offers are really low ball. And it seems like there are enough suitors to prevent that. If Sox do deal with Houston, I’d love to take a flier on Forrest Whitley. Went from top pitching prospect in minors to injured. Shut down recently with a shoulder issue that doesn’t seem overly serious but still only 24.